Originally posted by: charrison
I am sure if the WMD do turn, you will be the first to claim they were planted by the admin....
Couple of AL queda camps in northern iraq taken out.
Couple of wanted internation terrorist in custody
Documents about Al Quedia /Iraqi goverment meetings.
Payments for palastenian suicide bombers
Hundreds of suicide bomb vests discovered
But I know none of this will convince you.
Originally posted by: mastertech01
Originally posted by: konichiwa
Originally posted by: mastertech01
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
6k number is a projection as:
1) Hospitals are full of people that have been injured - and some are still dying.
2) They haven't dug out the rubble - yet.
3) We are not even trying to count Iraqi Civilians.
4) People are still being shot.
5) We are going to be there for quite a while longer.
6) More are going to die - on both sides.
Check back in a couple years when the details are know.
I wonder how many tens of thousands of shallow graves they still have to find and uncover from the regime?
Again you use this pointless circular logic to justify the American offensive. Saddam kills people, so we can kill a few to make him not be able to kill people any more? Fallacy in its purest form.
Isnt this the same circular logic used in WWII? In virtually all wars? You kill masses, we kill your henchment and whomever unfortunate enought to be in harms way, to kill your ass, so you cant continue to kill many more masses. Seems to be the way it has worked since the first war.
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Flush!Originally posted by: mastertech01
Bush hasnt accomplished ANYTHING in his life? Man you better tune in to the real world before you get left out. And he nor you nor I have to account for everything we have done since birth. He is the President and is accountable for what he does NOW.
Like I said in an earlier thread, the only reason Bush SR didnt do a second term was due to Perot, and there will be NO Perot to take it from him this time. The only thing he can do to cause failure next time around is fail to out smart the liberal press or do shoot himself in the foot. As of now his unbeatable because the dems spent way too much time on the wrong side of the fence before the war, all of them stepping on thier dicks, and yes even Hillary stepped on HER DICK!
If the Liberals had kept thier whining asses shut till the war was over they may have made some ground but now all they can do is make fools of themselves defending thier positions that sent thier futures to hell. All they have left is the moanings of what anyone can find posted on any third world publication.. distortions and lies. Talk about Bush lieing? Look at the hoards bearing false witness to get thier foot in the door without removing the dog poop from thier soles first!
Surely I am exaggerating here and not EVERYONE is guilty, but this is just a tiny taste of the blather that the liberals spew out about the administration... it tastes no better is no less true.
Official Policy of Liberals in USA.... If it looks like poop and smells like poop, stir it up!!
Official Policy of Conservatives in USA... If it looks like poop and smells like poop, flush it!
(Does that make me a conservative?)
Well, that was an interesting spew. No content, and you didn't answer one of my questions, but I hope you feel better.
Two points. First, don't count your chickens. For all the reasons I mentioned, Bush is vulnerable. Without the war to distract us, Bush is going to have to start accounting for his performance. His performance stinks. Unless he launches another war or we have another 9/11 soon, Bush is going to find that the honeymoon is ending. As I pointed out in the three articles that started this thread, the press is starting to speak up. Even many Bush supporters acknowledge that he's not very bright and he plays loose with the truth. Those aren't the best credentials for the most powerful job in the world.
Second, you scoffed when I said Bush had never accomplished anything. OK, I'll bite. Give me a few examples of what he has accomplished - without handouts from daddy and his friends.
Originally posted by: konichiwa
Originally posted by: charrison
I am sure if the WMD do turn, you will be the first to claim they were planted by the admin....
Way to (not so) deftly change the subject. You ignore my point and simply shift the conversation to one of your choosing. You'd be a great addition to the High School Forensics team ...
This is only after you so deftly said I was ignoring the fact that no WMD may be found because I said they more time than 1 month to search over 2000 sites and interview scientists. For this I doubt you could make a Jr High Janitorial crew.
Couple of AL queda camps in northern iraq taken out.
Couple of wanted internation terrorist in custody
Documents about Al Quedia /Iraqi goverment meetings.
Payments for palastenian suicide bombers
Hundreds of suicide bomb vests discovered
But I know none of this will convince you.
Links?
Originally posted by: mastertech01
If I have to post links to what Bush has accomplished and you are totally without clue, frankly Ill pass. I dont teach kindergarten.
Originally posted by: Ornery
"So what is his attraction? You would raise holy hell about a Democrat with any one of these flaws. Look at Clinton. He lied about sex - just like everyone else - and you crucified him."
He won the primaries, he gets to run for the top job. That's it. He'll forward the GOP's agenda. That is all. It ain't complicated. We put Dole up for election, a man of the highest character and intellect. That sure went over well.You can't win your issues if you can't get elected.
Originally posted by: Ornery"Get it through your head, hindsight is 20-20. GW pushed this war on the grounds of WMD, and now that he can't find any he's shimmied over to putting more emphasis on the issue of "liberating the Iraqi people." You, and I, and the rest of the American public are being manipulated and you refuse to open your eyes."
It was, and is, about Hussein's non-compliance. WMDs WILL be found.
Originally posted by: Ornery
"Good point. We also lost more in Vietnam, more in Korea, more in each World War, the Civil War, and the Revolutionary War. We lose more people in traffic accidents each year. We lose more people to heart disease each year. Heck, we lose more people to old age each year."
"All of which has absolutely NOTHING to do with Iraq!"
You missed the point, then. They simply didn't lose many civilians. THAT'S the point!
Originally posted by: konichiwa
Originally posted by: Ornery"Get it through your head, hindsight is 20-20. GW pushed this war on the grounds of WMD, and now that he can't find any he's shimmied over to putting more emphasis on the issue of "liberating the Iraqi people." You, and I, and the rest of the American public are being manipulated and you refuse to open your eyes."
It was, and is, about Hussein's non-compliance. WMDs WILL be found.
Glad to hear it from a qualified Lieutenant Brigadier Armchair General such as yourself. Your hubris is laughable.
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: konichiwa
Originally posted by: Ornery"Get it through your head, hindsight is 20-20. GW pushed this war on the grounds of WMD, and now that he can't find any he's shimmied over to putting more emphasis on the issue of "liberating the Iraqi people." You, and I, and the rest of the American public are being manipulated and you refuse to open your eyes."
It was, and is, about Hussein's non-compliance. WMDs WILL be found.
Glad to hear it from a qualified Lieutenant Brigadier Armchair General such as yourself. Your hubris is laughable.
This coming from the a qualified Lieutenant Brigadier Armchair General who claims they wont be found. Your hubris is laughable.
Originally posted by: konichiwa
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: konichiwa
Originally posted by: Ornery"Get it through your head, hindsight is 20-20. GW pushed this war on the grounds of WMD, and now that he can't find any he's shimmied over to putting more emphasis on the issue of "liberating the Iraqi people." You, and I, and the rest of the American public are being manipulated and you refuse to open your eyes."
It was, and is, about Hussein's non-compliance. WMDs WILL be found.
Glad to hear it from a qualified Lieutenant Brigadier Armchair General such as yourself. Your hubris is laughable.
This coming from the a qualified Lieutenant Brigadier Armchair General who claims they wont be found. Your hubris is laughable.
Never have I said that they "wont be found." Only that they haven't yet, which, until they are (or aren't), serves only to discredit the US in the international community. Nice try though.
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: konichiwa
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: konichiwa
Originally posted by: Ornery"Get it through your head, hindsight is 20-20. GW pushed this war on the grounds of WMD, and now that he can't find any he's shimmied over to putting more emphasis on the issue of "liberating the Iraqi people." You, and I, and the rest of the American public are being manipulated and you refuse to open your eyes."
It was, and is, about Hussein's non-compliance. WMDs WILL be found.
Glad to hear it from a qualified Lieutenant Brigadier Armchair General such as yourself. Your hubris is laughable.
This coming from the a qualified Lieutenant Brigadier Armchair General who claims they wont be found. Your hubris is laughable.
Never have I said that they "wont be found." Only that they haven't yet, which, until they are (or aren't), serves only to discredit the US in the international community. Nice try though.
And in your constant opinion they wont be found and anyone who claims they will be found is wrong. Right now they have not been found, some here think they will, some dont. Neither party is wrong at this point.
Originally posted by: konichiwa
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: konichiwa
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: konichiwa
Originally posted by: Ornery"Get it through your head, hindsight is 20-20. GW pushed this war on the grounds of WMD, and now that he can't find any he's shimmied over to putting more emphasis on the issue of "liberating the Iraqi people." You, and I, and the rest of the American public are being manipulated and you refuse to open your eyes."
It was, and is, about Hussein's non-compliance. WMDs WILL be found.
Glad to hear it from a qualified Lieutenant Brigadier Armchair General such as yourself. Your hubris is laughable.
This coming from the a qualified Lieutenant Brigadier Armchair General who claims they wont be found. Your hubris is laughable.
Never have I said that they "wont be found." Only that they haven't yet, which, until they are (or aren't), serves only to discredit the US in the international community. Nice try though.
And in your constant opinion they wont be found and anyone who claims they will be found is wrong. Right now they have not been found, some here think they will, some dont. Neither party is wrong at this point.
Again, nor have I ever said that they "won't be found." Are you capable of arguing a point without claiming your adversary has said things that he hasn't in order to make your side of the argument easier to prove?
Originally posted by: charrison
You right, I should take up your simple tactic of ad hom on those that I disagree with.
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: konichiwa
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: konichiwa
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: konichiwa
Originally posted by: Ornery"Get it through your head, hindsight is 20-20. GW pushed this war on the grounds of WMD, and now that he can't find any he's shimmied over to putting more emphasis on the issue of "liberating the Iraqi people." You, and I, and the rest of the American public are being manipulated and you refuse to open your eyes."
It was, and is, about Hussein's non-compliance. WMDs WILL be found.
Glad to hear it from a qualified Lieutenant Brigadier Armchair General such as yourself. Your hubris is laughable.
This coming from the a qualified Lieutenant Brigadier Armchair General who claims they wont be found. Your hubris is laughable.
Never have I said that they "wont be found." Only that they haven't yet, which, until they are (or aren't), serves only to discredit the US in the international community. Nice try though.
And in your constant opinion they wont be found and anyone who claims they will be found is wrong. Right now they have not been found, some here think they will, some dont. Neither party is wrong at this point.
Again, nor have I ever said that they "won't be found." Are you capable of arguing a point without claiming your adversary has said things that he hasn't in order to make your side of the argument easier to prove?
You right, I should take up your simple tactic of ad hom on those that I disagree with.
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Enjoyed your rant, bowfinger. Was with you on all points. With such accuracy you must be a stringwalker.
He's still got links to terrorism:Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: Ornery
"Good point. We also lost more in Vietnam, more in Korea, more in each World War, the Civil War, and the Revolutionary War. We lose more people in traffic accidents each year. We lose more people to heart disease each year. Heck, we lose more people to old age each year."
"All of which has absolutely NOTHING to do with Iraq!"
You missed the point, then. They simply didn't lose many civilians. THAT'S the point!
If that's really your point, you chose a terribly callous way to trivialize the deaths of thousands of innocent people.
I thought you might be one of the many gullible people who bought into Bush's lie about Iraq's connection to 9/11. Glad to hear you're not.
Originally posted by: Ornery
He's still got links to terrorism:Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: Ornery
"Good point. We also lost more in Vietnam, more in Korea, more in each World War, the Civil War, and the Revolutionary War. We lose more people in traffic accidents each year. We lose more people to heart disease each year. Heck, we lose more people to old age each year."
"All of which has absolutely NOTHING to do with Iraq!"
You missed the point, then. They simply didn't lose many civilians. THAT'S the point!
If that's really your point, you chose a terribly callous way to trivialize the deaths of thousands of innocent people.
I thought you might be one of the many gullible people who bought into Bush's lie about Iraq's connection to 9/11. Glad to hear you're not....but that was only the #2 reason for cutting his legs out from under him.
- Disarming him was reason enough, but from funding terrorists to direct Iraq-Al Qaida Links this POS was allowed to live years longer than he should have been.
Originally posted by: Ornery
He's still got links to terrorism:...but that was only the #2 reason for cutting his legs out from under him.
- Disarming him was reason enough, but from funding terrorists to direct Iraq-Al Qaida Links this POS was allowed to live years longer than he should have been.
"...trivialize the deaths of thousands of innocent people."
Is it conceivable this war could have been won with fewer civilian deaths? 9-11 drove home the point that scum like Hussein and his terrorist kin, don't need much reason or weapons to inflict a LOT of damage instantly. He was given every opportunity and years to avoid bloodshed and sanctions. Why give the POS any more time? Why should we risk it? Again, he could have avoided ALL of this!