A Chalk Mark On A Tire Is A 'Search'?

[ch33zw1z]

That is weird. Until I read this I had not seen a "meter-maid" since i was a very young man say mid to late 1960's.

Yea, we totally have meter maids around my area. Thankfully, quite a few of the areas around me have moved to an epay type system where I don't need to carry rolls of quarters with me, and I can just pay from my phone instead of spending 10-30 minutes getting back and forth to the meter every few hours.

When I referenced the gubmint cars, I didn't really mean to imply they're everywhere. But that tech is out there.

Seems weird to utilize some type of hand writ chalk system at this point.

Like I said though, a young kid could totally wreak havoc on that with a washcloth and chalk.

 

[Jaskalas]

Is it that much different than installing an magnetic GPS tracker? Which has already been ruled against at the supreme court.

I don't think there are microchips and transmitters in chalk.
So your comparison makes no sense to me, unless you think there are such things in vaccines?

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Yea, we totally have meter maids around my area.

Are they lovely?
Are they Rita?

 

[Zorba]

I don't think there are microchips and transmitters in chalk.
So your comparison makes no sense to me, unless you think there are such things in vaccines?

It is a trespass on to your property, pretty sure that is how the court ruled.

Police claimed it was fine because it didn't damage the car.

 

[HomerJS]

The chalk mark in my experience is tiny and disappears fast. I think it would be a difficult argument to make that you had damages from it

Same could be said for an undercover cop who actually has sex with a prospective John

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

how the hell have you never had a parking ticket? do you live in a swamp?

I've never had one? I avoid downtown areas as much as possible. If I do, then I ensure I buy enough time on the machine. If I go consistently for work then I find a parking garage and pay by the month.

Had some speeding tickets when driving to college (3 hour drive) and would get 90 in a 70 so I learned those lessons, never parking though.

 

[Vic]

No, I don't live in a swamp. LOL

It's really easy to not get tickets.

Hint: follow the rules and the law and you will be fine and get no parking tickets. It has worked for me for my 50 years driving on the streets all over the US, England, Germany, Spain and several other countries.

Appeal to authority is never a good argument.

Now I do agree that the plaintiff in these legal proceedings that are the subject of this thread has a poor legal case. For reasons I already stated.

However, to say that we should always follow the rules and the law is a child's argument. What if, for example, the rules or the laws were morally or ethically wrong? Should we still follow them then? Just because they're the rules and the law and we don't want to get in trouble? Do what you're told or you'll get in trouble? And if avoiding the threat of personal punishment is our motivation for supporting immoral or unethical laws, then what would that say about our own morals and ethics?

The point is that laws must be grounded in something other than just authority. And that while this particular legal case might seem meritless to you, that's only because you don't know, and likely don't understand, that the constant legal debate of all these gray areas in the law is the basis of the law itself. And more to the point, that within that gray area is where our freedom is born. Freedom that a just do what your told child like yourself probably doesn't want to understand.

 

[Vic]

I've never had one? I avoid downtown areas as much as possible. If I do, then I ensure I buy enough time on the machine. If I go consistently for work then I find a parking garage and pay by the month.

Had some speeding tickets when driving to college (3 hour drive) and would get 90 in a 70 so I learned those lessons, never parking though.

Yaknow, the reason people believe that there must be simple solutions to everything is because they have simple minds. Which, more often than not, is a choice.

 

[zinfamous]

No, I don't live in a swamp. LOL

It's really easy to not get tickets.

Hint: follow the rules and the law and you will be fine and get no parking tickets. It has worked for me for my 50 years driving on the streets all over the US, England, Germany, Spain and several other countries.

everyone fucks up at least once. There are certain places (see earlier mentions of Philly), where getting a parking ticket is designed into your experience--you simply can't avoid it sometimes.

I've maybe gotten 5 or 6 in my lifetime, all over, but that is with following the rules as best as one can understand from the available signage. Also, working on and around college campuses for as long as I have, it's unavoidable, lol. (also in those cases, they are easy to challenge and wipe away with the "emergency -80 freezer crashed! I had to come in!" excuse. Or something similar)

 

[Fanatical Meat]

everyone fucks up at least once. There are certain places (see earlier mentions of Philly), where getting a parking ticket is designed into your experience--you simply can't avoid it sometimes.

I've maybe gotten 5 or 6 in my lifetime, all over, but that is with following the rules as best as one can understand from the available signage. Also, working on and around college campuses for as long as I have, it's unavoidable, lol. (also in those cases, they are easy to challenge and wipe away with the "emergency -80 freezer crashed! I had to come in!" excuse. Or something similar)

Now that you mention it parking around Colleges is the worst. Gotta be a revenue thing. I am similar probably had six or so tickets over my life and I’m guessing four of them came from parking around Colleges to visit dudes I knew or when I was taking a night class.

 

[pcgeek11]

Appeal to authority is never a good argument.

Now I do agree that the plaintiff in these legal proceedings that are the subject of this thread has a poor legal case. For reasons I already stated.

However, to say that we should always follow the rules and the law is a child's argument. What if, for example, the rules or the laws were morally or ethically wrong? Should we still follow them then? Just because they're the rules and the law and we don't want to get in trouble? Do what you're told or you'll get in trouble? And if avoiding the threat of personal punishment is our motivation for supporting immoral or unethical laws, then what would that say about our own morals and ethics?

The point is that laws must be grounded in something other than just authority. And that while this particular legal case might seem meritless to you, that's only because you don't know, and likely don't understand, that the constant legal debate of all these gray areas in the law is the basis of the law itself. And more to the point, that within that gray area is where our freedom is born. Freedom that a just do what your told child like yourself probably doesn't want to understand.

OMG. Really?

You are way overthinking a parking ticket for overstaying the posted time limits.



Enjoy your parking tickets and sticking it to the man! LOL

 

[pmv]

Meh, I've never had a ticket either.

(Granted I've never owned a car and never learned to drive, that may be a factor)

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Meh, I've never had a ticket either.

(Granted I've never owned a car and never learned to drive, that may be a factor)

How old are you?
Things all should learn to do

Swim
Drive
Cook

 

[pmv]

How old are you?
Things all should learn to do

Swim
Drive
Cook

Nah.

Learning to swim is dangerous - every single time you hear about someone drowning, it happened because they voluntarily decided to go for a swim, because someone had given them the idea of swimming. (Usually in the sea or a lake or something, occasionally you hear of it happening in a pool).

Almost nobody (not in inner-cities anyway) ever unexpectedly falls into a body of deep water. The only case I can think of would be in those terror attacks on the bridges, but I'm prepared to accept a risk that is literally the same as my risk of being killed by a terrorist.

( Besides, I can just about swim, not particularly well, and I doubt it would save me if I somehow ended up in rough water - which I suspect is radically-different from swimming lengths in a pool. Used to do so for exercise, but gave it up because it was so boring. Cycling is a much more enjoyable way to get exercise)

Driving in this city is a sign of sociopathy. It ought to be illegal, in my opinion. Why would I want to do that?

(The one and only time someone tried to mug me at knifepoint, they made their escape by jumping into their parked car and driving off - it figures, I'm sure there's a large overlap between the criminal class and the driving class - driving in this city is a deeply anti-social act, and mostly unnecessary).

I can cook, to an extent. Nothing very impressive, I admit. That's the one thing on that list I wish I were better at.

 

[Vic]

OMG. Really?

You are way overthinking a parking ticket for overstaying the posted time limits.



Enjoy your parking tickets and sticking it to the man! LOL

Nothing gets over pcgeek's head... he will catch it!

 

[pmv]

Regarding swimming, I'm being slightly tongue-in-cheek, but honestly, every single time one reads a story about someone drowning, it's because they over-estimated their swimming ability and voluntarily got into deep water in order to 'go for a swim'.

How often does anyone _unintentionally_ end up in deep water and drown due to not being able to swim? That appears to be a very rare event as far as I can see.

Ergo, by teaching people to swim, and thus encouraging them to voluntarily get into bodies of water, you are probably statistically increasing the chance that they will end up drowning. Assuming they aren't sailors or some other group with a specific risk of accidentally falling into deep water.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

I gots feets and hands, not gills and fins. I park on street, not a reef.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Regarding swimming, I'm being slightly tongue-in-cheek, but honestly, every single time one reads a story about someone drowning, it's because they over-estimated their swimming ability and voluntarily got into deep water in order to 'go for a swim'.

How often does anyone _unintentionally_ end up in deep water and drown due to not being able to swim? That appears to be a very rare event as far as I can see.

Ergo, by teaching people to swim, and thus encouraging them to voluntarily get into bodies of water, you are probably statistically increasing the chance that they will end up drowning. Assuming they aren't sailors or some other group with a specific risk of accidentally falling into deep water.

you qualify as good enough if you can fall into a pool or off a boat or whatever into water over your head and you can keep your head above water. That is good enough and everyone should spend the tiny amount of time it takes to learn that skill.

 

[pmv]

you qualify as good enough if you can fall into a pool or off a boat or whatever into water over your head and you can keep your head above water. That is good enough and everyone should spend the tiny amount of time it takes to learn that skill.

Yeah, well, maybe - that's about the level I learned in school. But I'm far from convinced it would help in 'real world' conditions, in the very unlikely event I was on a boat that sank in rough seas, say. And in general, my chances of 'falling into a pool' or 'off a boat' are close to nil. When do I ever go near pools or on boats? I doubt I could swim well enough to get back to shore from a sinking Cross-channel ferry, for example.
And set against that are all those cases where people who had been wrongly led to believe they could swim, get into deep lakes or jump into the sea and find they aren't as good as they thought they were.

I think the best approach is to terrify generations of children into never going anywhere near deep water ever in their lives

 

[hal2kilo]

you qualify as good enough if you can fall into a pool or off a boat or whatever into water over your head and you can keep your head above water. That is good enough and everyone should spend the tiny amount of time it takes to learn that skill.

I think you are being an irresponsible parent, if you don't get your kids swimming lessons. Plus, when I was a kid, you couldn't get me out of the water. Never understood why people go to the beach and sit in the sand.

 

[Zorba]

Nah.

Learning to swim is dangerous - every single time you hear about someone drowning, it happened because they voluntarily decided to go for a swim, because someone had given them the idea of swimming. (Usually in the sea or a lake or something, occasionally you hear of it happening in a pool).

Almost nobody (not in inner-cities anyway) ever unexpectedly falls into a body of deep water. The only case I can think of would be in those terror attacks on the bridges, but I'm prepared to accept a risk that is literally the same as my risk of being killed by a terrorist.

( Besides, I can just about swim, not particularly well, and I doubt it would save me if I somehow ended up in rough water - which I suspect is radically-different from swimming lengths in a pool. Used to do so for exercise, but gave it up because it was so boring. Cycling is a much more enjoyable way to get exercise)

Driving in this city is a sign of sociopathy. It ought to be illegal, in my opinion. Why would I want to do that?

(The one and only time someone tried to mug me at knifepoint, they made their escape by jumping into their parked car and driving off - it figures, I'm sure there's a large overlap between the criminal class and the driving class - driving in this city is a deeply anti-social act, and mostly unnecessary).

I can cook, to an extent. Nothing very impressive, I admit. That's the one thing on that list I wish I were better at.

Umm lots of people drown that had no intention of swimming that day, usually people that didn't know how to swim. Drowning is the leasing cause of death for kids, and again tons of those happen when the parents had no intention of the kid being in water that day.

 

[pmv]

Umm lots of people drown that had no intention of swimming that day, usually people that didn't know how to swim. Drowning is the leasing cause of death for kids, and again tons of those happen when the parents had no intention of the kid being in water that day.

Do you have any statistics on that? Because I admit I'm entirely going on my impression from seeing news items, maybe I'm wrong. Every single news report I see of a drowning, it involves someone choosing to go swimming in a swimming pool or a lake or the sea.

I just don't see how, within this city, one is going to end up in deep water "by accident" (other than metaphorically).

What's the basis for saying "drowning is the leading cause of death for kids"? I thought it was "accidents within the home". I can't find anything that says drowning is a major cause of child mortality.

 

[Zorba]

I think you are being an irresponsible parent, if you don't get your kids swimming lessons. Plus, when I was a kid, you couldn't get me out of the water. Never understood why people go to the beach and sit in the sand.

Yeah, my father in law never learned to swim. He ended up taken over the loan payments on a house with a pool. Right after they moved in FIL and MIL were doing something in the backyard, and my SIL, who was then about 8 months old had fallen into the pool without them noticing. By the time the noticed, she was at the bottom of the deep in. FIL jumped in to try to save her and almost drowned him. Luckily they were both able to get out and she started breathing again shortly after getting out.

After that, my FIL enrolled in adult swim lessons. He is very explicit that he thinks not getting your kids swim lessons is child abuse.

 

[Zorba]

Do you have any statistics on that? Because I admit I'm entirely going on my impression from seeing news items, maybe I'm wrong. Every single news report I see of a drowning, it involves someone choosing to go swimming in a swimming pool or a lake or the sea.

I just don't see how, within this city, one is going to end up in deep water "by accident" (other than metaphorically).

What's the basis for saying "drowning is the leading cause of death for kids"? I thought it was "accidents within the home". I can't find anything that says drowning is a major cause of child mortality.

The Major Causes of Death in Children and Adolescents in the United States | NEJM

Special Report from The New England Journal of Medicine — The Major Causes of Death in Children and Adolescents in the United States

www.nejm.org

The leading causes of death varied between younger and older children. Among children 1 to 4 years of age, drowning was the most common cause of death, followed by congenital abnormalities and motor vehicle crashes. Children most commonly drown in swimming pools (1 to 4 years of age) and in pools, rivers, and lakes4 (≥5 years of age).

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• African American & Hispanic nationality account for more than 3 times as many drowning incidents
• Taking part in formal swimming lessons and water safety classes can reduce the risk of drowning by up to 88%
• Annually over 345 fatal boating related drownings.

Drowning Facts | Drowning Prevention | CDC

Drowning Facts

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Facts & Stats About Drowning - Stop Drowning Now

Drowning: The Facts Everyone Needs to Know Every year the news is peppered with devastating stories about parents who lost children or families who lost loved ones who drowned. You never think it will happen to you, but that’s what everyone who experienced it thought, too. The truth is that all...

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I seriously never hear stories along the lines of "He wanted to swim across the lake and drown in the middle." I do hear a lot, "He fall off the boat without a life jacket, couldn't swim, and drowned." Also drowning in your car isn't unheard of here in flash floods. To be fair, I do know a guy that drown in the ocean while swimming, he got caught in a rip current while swimming by himself.

 

[pmv]

The Major Causes of Death in Children and Adolescents in the United States | NEJM

Special Report from The New England Journal of Medicine — The Major Causes of Death in Children and Adolescents in the United States

www.nejm.org

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Drowning Facts | Drowning Prevention | CDC

Drowning Facts

www.cdc.gov

Facts & Stats About Drowning - Stop Drowning Now

Drowning: The Facts Everyone Needs to Know Every year the news is peppered with devastating stories about parents who lost children or families who lost loved ones who drowned. You never think it will happen to you, but that’s what everyone who experienced it thought, too. The truth is that all...

www.stopdrowningnow.org

I seriously never hear stories along the lines of "He wanted to swim across the lake and drown in the middle." I do hear a lot, "He fall off the boat without a life jacket, couldn't swim, and drowned." Also drowning in your car isn't unheard of here in flash floods. To be fair, I do know a guy that drown in the ocean while swimming, he got caught in a rip current while swimming by himself.

That's quite interesting.

I can only conclude the situation is very different in the US and UK. I can't find anything that lists 'drowning' as a common cause of death here.

(I can only assume it's because more private homes have pools over there. Not very many of them in London, or the UK in general, I think. Only stat I found suggested they are 10 times as common in the US as here.)

e.g.

Child and infant mortality in England and Wales - Office for National Statistics

Stillbirths, infant and childhood deaths occurring annually in England and Wales, and associated risk factors.

www.ons.gov.uk

In 2016, cancers, followed by external causes of morbidity and mortality, were the most common causes of death for children aged 1 to 15 years

Among all ages, drowning barely seems to merit a mention

https://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/11/6/1352225082582/Mortality-rates-big-graph-001.jpg

It's possible there are better figures out there, though. Couldn't find much specific to child mortality (a very depressing subject anyway).