This is why these debates are sto stupid. Its rational people trying to have a rational detable with irrational religious people who think they actually are being rational.
This is why these debates are sto stupid. Its rational people trying to have a rational detable with irrational religious people who think they actually are being rational.
How did you become a christian? Was your family christian? Where you born into a christian home?
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And of course, this statement fails because we don't believe in ANY gods. You, on the other hand, don't believe in 10410240124014 other Gods (we're right there with you!), because you KNOW your God is the real one.
Just thought I'd break that down for you.
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See what im talking about by you being irrational. What you just said implies i believe in at least one god to begin with. I believe in zero gods. No rational person would come to the conclusion you just did or say such a stupid thing.
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Yeah, it's really never worth responding to these threads. Rob tries to make reasoned arguments, but they become increasingly worse when the conservation ultimately boils down 'because God'.
What he said implies I believe in zero gods, I believe in one God. Reversing this line of "one less god" shows you how asinine a statement is.
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I didn't imply you believe in zero Gods, that's what you inferred. I was just pointing out that you don't believe in all of the other Gods out there, just as atheists do.
I know what you're saying. I'm just saying an atheist isn't defined by rejecting, for example, 9 of 10 gods -- he rejects all gods.
His statement is above. He is saying you belive in a god, not zero gods as you claim he stated. And he also said "not to believe", not "believe" as you said he did in another post as well. I bolded it for you incase you skimmed past a few words here and there.
So you fail as usual at reading comprehension.
I don't know. There are Christians in Muslim countries, so there is a strong chance.
I think you mean small chance. The christian population in Muslim countries is very very small in relationshop.
But even then. Most likely youd be born into a Chistian household in a Muslim country thus shaping your belief system. It mostly is down to what household you are born into when it comes to religion.
Born and raise by believing parents, rejected the religion at age 18 and moved out my mothers home, made a conscious decision when I was in my late 20s to start reading the Bible for myself with no religious nor atheistic influences so that I could make an unbiased choice on my own.
So what? Secularists are born in non religious homes to and are therefore, non religious. I can easily find non religious people who say that they're not religious because their parents weren't.
I bet you have no issue with that.
Peyton manning is a QB because his dad played in the NFL. It happens.
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Yea, that was a real eye roller you wrote right there.
Rob, to be a theist you have to believe all kinds of things out of the ordinary happened due to an invisible friend. Atheists don't believe in such baloney because of a lack of evidence. Theists have picked an invisible friend, and dismissed the others. A thinking person would ponder this, how he knows his invisible friend and all the magic he/she performed is 'right' and the others of thousands of deities and their supporters are wrong. It puts you in the same bucket with all the other people who believe in various gods/goddesses, and this is why you can be grouped with them when an agnostic/atheist says "We're all atheist, we just believe in one less god than you."
And since you've already admitted that your religion has more to do with where you are born than any sort of truth, doesn't that take a little wind out of your sails? You have no evidence to back up your wild beliefs that don't jive with reality, you claim to be of faith but can't move a mountain (can you use the power of prayer to even move a sand bag or something? We can start small.), the bible is clearly incorrect in numerous areas (if it is wrong here, here, and here, then it can also be wrong there, there, and there). It keeps going back to 'because god', nothing more.
And did you study all the other religions and read their bibles to make an informed decision?
What point? That children are a product of their parents, or that they pass down things that they think are important?
What you expect? Why is Archie Manning's sons playing in the NFL? Why is George W Bush a politician?
You're stating a familiar truth, already known by most people.
Did you study all religions, ALL of them before becoming an atheist/agnostic?
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Atheist is the default position, you don't choose it unless you've been indoctrinated at a young age.
My point is, if your parents think religion is bad for you, you won't learn religion and therefore, are not likely to be religious, if your parents think religion is good for you, you willl likely be religious.
If your parents think science is good for you, you'll be taught it, and likely will admire science.
Parents are supposed to do this, whether they're atheist parents, muslim parents, christian parents, buddist parents...whatever.
You teach your kids what you think is correct for them to learn.
I didnt need to because the whole idea of some magical being creating all this is absurd to me.
And also, way to deflect the question off yourself.
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