A Black Eye for VW and Audi

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Originally posted by: vi_edit
The interiors are actually kind of crappy. Things loosen up to fast, lots of plastic rubbing. VW is going to have a long hard road in front of them.

Ummmm yeah.....I'm gonna beg to differ. My Passat with 55k miles on the clock has probably one of the best constructed interiors of cars under 25k that I've ever seen. The dash is SOLID. Not a creak, squeek, groan, or chirp to be heard. I see no reason that this will change in the next 50k miles.


weren't you the one who once said that the gauges on your vw don't aways work, and that it gives the car "personality"?
 

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weren't you the one who once said that the gauges on your vw don't aways work, and that it gives the car "personality"?

Not sure on gauges, as I've never had any problems with them in either of my VW's. I do remember saying that VW's can be quirky and that gives them personality.
 

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Originally posted by: vi_edit
weren't you the one who once said that the gauges on your vw don't aways work, and that it gives the car "personality"?

Not sure on gauges, as I've never had any problems with them in either of my VW's. I do remember saying that VW's can be quirky and that gives them personality.

So when its a VW its quirky and when its anyother car its any other brand of car its unrelaiable and a POS

LOL ill have to use that when i try to sell a car next time...

Car buyer: anythign wrong with the car
me: nope its just quirky.

:D
 

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Quirky is different than unreliable IMHO. My camry, which is regaurded as like the pinnacle of reliability has it's quirks too that just give the car it's own personality.

Examples of my Camry's "quirks". Every so often the shifter gets locked in park. To get it unstuck, you have to tap the break pad 3 times. Don't know why, just know that's what works. Another thing with my camry is that every now and then the dome light just decides to stop working. A few hours later it's back on again.

My Passat does the same thing. Once every 3 or 4 months it decides that it doesn't want to upshift, so I slap the tiptronic into manual mode and do it myself. Once I park the car, turn it off, and then come back after doing whatever errands I had to do, it works fine.

I just have a different perspective on cars than other people. I'll sacrafice appliance like bullet proof reliability(toyota, honda) for a car that looks better, drives better, and "feels" better than the more reliable options.
 

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Originally posted by: vi_edit
Quirky is different than unreliable IMHO. My camry, which is regaurded as like the pinnacle of reliability has it's quirks too that just give the car it's own personality.

Examples of my Camry's "quirks". Every so often the shifter gets locked in park. To get it unstuck, you have to tap the break pad 3 times. Don't know why, just know that's what works. Another thing with my camry is that every now and then the dome light just decides to stop working. A few hours later it's back on again.

My Passat does the same thing. Once every 3 or 4 months it decides that it doesn't want to upshift, so I slap the tiptronic into manual mode and do it myself. Once I park the car, turn it off, and then come back after doing whatever errands I had to do, it works fine.

I just have a different perspective on cars than other people. I'll sacrafice appliance like bullet proof reliability(toyota, honda) for a car that looks better, drives better, and "feels" better than the more reliable options.

Quirky or haunted?!? cue twilight zone music

But im only messing with you..i think all cars are that way that why people sometimes get so attached to them
 

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Quirky or haunted?!? cue twilight zone music

Ha! Depends on who you talk to. If it's my fiancee who drives the camry it's flaming pile of cow dung that should be thrown off a cliff....she really, really doesn't like the camry ;)

If it's me, it's just a quirk and I can live with it.
 

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Originally posted by: optoman

We just got the Beetle back and they were like there's not going to be a recall and this is the first one we seen go bad.

Everyone repeat after me:

"I will never buy another VW" :|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|

heh, these forums used to be so full of loudmouthed VW whores. I got so flamed a couple times for saying VWs aren't as reliable as hondas/toyotas.



 

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I love my Passat too, but I know how people get burned when they have a bad experience with one. A family friend tried to tell me all VW's were unsafe because he almost got killed in an old bug. I have an extreme aversion to Jeeps since my parents owned one years ago and it broke down at least twice a month. Then a friend got a used wrangler that was an amazingly huge money pit. So I'maware that it only takes one or two bad associations with a brand before you develop severe distrust...

I do think the cars assembled in Mexico are going to have way more quality control problems than the German assembled cars. Thats one of the reasons I got the passat...
 

optoman

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I do love my VW but I can't stand the company behind it. Until the company makes huge changes I will never set foot again in a VW showroom.

I wonder why VW is rushing to ge the next generation Jettas. Maybe because the current version sucks.
 

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Originally posted by: RossMAN
Why I'll never buy a VW Passat (anytime soon)
Yup. I'd better warn him about this too. I'm not sure if this was the exact problem he had (sounds very similar), but even if it was, the article says it could potentially happen up to 4 times if the coils aren't replaced. :frown:
 

Eli

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Who cares? As if any of the other car makers don't have occasional problems?

Besides, I would hardly call the ignition coil a "critical engine component".. while it is necessary to run, it's not like we're talking about faulty connecting rods or main bearings or something.

It isn't a big deal.. Just get it fixed, and be done with it.
 

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Originally posted by: Eli
Who cares? As if any of the other car makers don't have occasional problems?

Besides, I would hardly call the ignition coil a "critical engine component".. while it is necessary to run, it's not like we're talking about faulty connecting rods or main bearings or something.

It isn't a big deal.. Just get it fixed, and be done with it.
THANK YOU!...

then again... i'm an audi owner so I may be a bit biased... ;)
 

optoman

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Ya just a faulty coil that goes out while your driving.

Except that if two go out at the same time on a Boston highway then your f'cked. I wouldn't want to be doing 75 and have my engine die in the middle of road with all the truckers. The dealers are basically saying, ya it'll happen just give it time. Oh and we won't fix it until it dies and you have to have your car towed and waste another day at the dealer. Thats loyalty from VW.
 

Eli

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Just don't make it into a big deal.. Sure, it's bad.. but it isn't the end of the world.

How many times has the Ford Focus been recalled?

Ugh.. I am comparing a Ford to a VW, what have I done.

All of you people saying that you don't trust VW reliability because of some faulity ignition coils need to wake up. Do they even make the coils themselves? Probably not.

Like I said, this would be cause for concern if they sent out a a couple million bent connecting rods, and engines were throwing rods at 10,000 miles.

As far as I'm concerned, they're an accessory and have nothing to do with engine reliability.
 

optoman

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Coils failing is a major problem. When they fail, you either lose most of your horsepower or the car dies. I couldn't get the beetle above 50 on the highway and that is suicidal if you live in Boston. It causes damage to your catylitic (sp?) convertor to not have a cylinder firing and VW even says that driving your car might cause damage to it.

The beetle makes it to the dealer about once every 2 months. My jetta has been about the same for the past 2 1/2 years. Its not just my our cars, but almost everyone we know with a VW has had problems lately. VW corporate just shruggs their shoulders and doesn't care. Ya, most of the stuff isn't major but when a window falls down when its 10 degrees out and you still have an hour to drive, it sure sucks. VW's response was, Oh we are sorry to hear that. To bad they wouldn't fix the stupid window before the bracket broke. VW policy is to fix it after it breaks even though they know its defective and they don't issue a recall but a service notice saying not to fix it until it breaks. That sucks from the consumers point of view, knowing you have a car that has three major issues and they won't fix them till they break.

Out of fords, nissans and gm cars, I have never been treated like this and I will never again buy a VW.

Oh, and my crappy dealer just got on of those automated car washes and didn't say a word about it until after we got the car back. I looked at the paint and can tell they were using dirty cleaning clothes because there are swirl marks all over the car. Its going to have to wait till the spring for me to buff them out. The dealer says that it wasn't the car wash that put those there because it is a touchless washer they use. I saw them drying the cars off with towels after the wash. Hmmm. That sure doesn't seem like touchless to me.

<---Tired of VW and can't wait to sell car to get me a WRX. Have three friends who have Subarus for at least 2 years and never had a problem with them and the dealers are wonderful.
 

LittleWolf

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Originally posted by: optoman
I do love my VW but I can't stand the company behind it. Until the company makes huge changes I will never set foot again in a VW showroom.

I wonder why VW is rushing to ge the next generation Jettas. Maybe because the current version sucks.

Er.. I don't think so. On the contrary VW is slow ass getting the next version of Jetta out. Unlike the typical Japanese 4 year or Korean 2 year (LOL) change cycle, VW changes their model more like 5-6 years...

-j