A Black Eye for VW and Audi

Doggiedog

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From the NY Times today:

WIDESPREAD failures of a crucial engine component have left owners of 2001 and 2002 Volkswagens and Audis stranded and stewing while the companies scramble for replacement parts. The problem, faulty ignition coils, potentially affects more than half a million cars in the United States.

For VW, which hopes to turn itself into an upscale brand, the timing couldn't be worse. The company is bringing out a new $40,000 sport utility, the Touareg, and this fall it will sell a large luxury sedan, the Phaeton, for $60,000 to $75,000. But even as the company lays out a red carpet for demanding luxury-car buyers, it is trying to mollify its current customers and keep their cars running.

Audi, a subsidiary of VW, already competes in the luxury market.

The failures have left owners at roadsides waiting to have cars towed to dealerships. Because replacement parts have been in short supply, some cars have sat for days or weeks. Furthermore, because each car has four or more potentially faulty coils, the experience can be repeated over and over.

VW and Audi have generally declined to replace coils that have not yet failed, angering owners. But late last week, the company said it would have enough parts in March to replace all potentially defective coils.

Ignition coils produce the high-voltage current that fires the sparkplugs. Some automakers use a single coil, but VW has one for each sparkplug ? four coils, for instance, on a four-cylinder engine. If a coil fails, the sparkplug will not fire and the engine will lose power.

The company began hearing about problems last fall, said Tony Fouladpour, a Volkswagen spokesman in Auburn Hills, Mich. But it wasn't until Friday that VW and Audi began sending letters to owners of 2001 and 2002 models explaining the problem and what the companies intended to do about it.

VW says more than 500,000 vehicles in the United States may be affected, but the problem is global; even The China Daily has reported on coil failures. Web forums for VW and Audi owners in the United States and Britain have been deluged with complaints. One site ? "http://forums.vwvortex.com
/zerothread?id=575535" ? recently had 29 pages of postings on the subject.

VW is aware that owners are saying the company doesn't care about their problems. "That is absolutely not the case," Mr. Fouladpour said. "Have we been playing catch-up? Absolutely. Have we been just trying to get the parts and get them to the dealers? Absolutely. But at this point, we want to prove we can take care of the customer."

The experience of Pat and Carol Navin of Evanston, Ill., seems typical. While Mrs. Navin was driving their 2002 Passat wagon ? with just 3,100 miles on the odometer ? the "check engine" light came on, and the car rumbled, shook and lost power. Mrs. Navin pulled off the road and had the Passat towed to their dealership. Two of the four coils on the 1.8T four-cylinder engine had failed.

Mr. Navin said that his dealer treated them well and quickly fixed the problem, but that it was inexcusable that VW had only now begun to communicate with owners. "I think I would not have been nearly as angry if I'd gotten a letter," he said. "Instead, they've really chosen to bury their heads in the sand and let everybody discover it for themselves."

VW says the ignition-coil failure rate has been "higher than normal" on 2001 and 2002 models of the New Beetle, Golf, GTI, Jetta and Passat with the turbocharged 1.8T engine, as well as on Audi A4's and TT's with the same engine.

Mr. Fouladpour said that there had been some cases of ignition-coil failures on other engines, but that the rate was not as high as with the 1.8T. Those engines are the 3-liter V-6 in some A4's and A6's; the 2.8-liter VR6, a narrow-angle V-6 in the Eurovan, GTI and Jetta; and the 4-liter 8-cylinder in the Passat W8. No 2003 models are affected, Mr. Fouladpour said, nor is the 2.8-liter V-6 also used in Passats and some older Audis.

He said that the company was working hard to keep its owners happy and that getting enough parts had been the top priority. The German supplier of the defective part has been working three shifts and, starting Jan. 20, twice as many coils have been delivered to the United States.

"We have filled the backlog of orders," Mr. Fouladpour said. "Today, if you come in with a car with a malfunctioning ignition coil, your dealer should be able to, in a very timely manner, get that part."

In the letters to owners, VW and Audi agree to pay for repairs even if the warranty has expired, and to reimburse owners for previous repairs. Dealers will provide loaner or rental cars without charge.

When an ignition coil fails, the owner has two options: either call the toll-free numbers for VW or Audi roadside assistance, which can be found with the owner's manual and other materials in the glovebox, or try to drive the vehicle.

"We don't recommend people drive for an extended period with it," Mr. Fouladpour said. "And they should drive slowly to prevent damage to the catalytic converter."

The situation has left owners like Mr. Navin worried about driving their cars and wondering why the loss of power is not a safety issue that would prompt a recall to replace all the coils. "What if there is a failure while a driver is being tailgated by a tractor-trailer?" he asked.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration "has the matter under review," said a spokeswoman, Liz Neblett.

Even before the coil problems became news, Volkswagens were slipping in the reliability ratings of Consumer Reports. The Passat is the only VW remaining on the magazine's list of recommended vehicles, and "it doesn't need many more problems to put it into the `unreliable' category," said David Champion, director of automotive testing.


 

Mani

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The A4 is a great drive but I really can't say I trust its reliability in light of this and other stuff I've heard about VW and Audi's reliability lately.
 

sohcrates

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Yep, everyone i know on Audiworld is obsessed with this. There have been somewhere around 150 documented failures of those who post on audiworld.com alone.

My 2002 A4 was built in 11/01 and is starting to show some signs of failure...i just hope to heavens that i don't get stranded on a road trip somewhere...that would suck.

 

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<--- Had 2 Coils Fail in my 2002 Passat at different rendering my car undrivable each time, one month apart (the second time i brought my car into VW they got into an accident while test driving it, took over a month to repair)

Glad to see they finally admitted the problem, but i will NEVER buy another VW. I had to scream at them the second time to get them to replace all 4 coils as they said it wasnt needed.
 

T2T III

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Audi has had problems in the past. Remember the accelerator issues about 15 years ago?
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: wje
Audi has had problems in the past. Remember the accelerator issues about 15 years ago?

Supposed issues. ;)

And then there were the rollover problems with the new TT.
 

Linux23

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yep, this is why we should all buy american. you'll have a spare part in less than 4 hours. ;)
 

geno

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Originally posted by: thomsbrain
what's this? volkswagons with electrical problems? what else is new?

Is VW known for electrical issues? This is more of an "ignition system" issue IMO. Electrical seems to indicate either the ECU, sensor issues, interior wiring, etc...
 

isekii

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Originally posted by: Linux23
yep, this is why we should all buy american. you'll have a spare part in less than 4 hours. ;)

lol i was thinking about purchasing an A4 but went with the Lex instead~

if you buy japanese you wont have to worry about getting spare parts in less than 4 hours :p
 

anxman69

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Had my S4 fail on me three times in the past three months. Absolutely sick of it. It's at the dealership right now ... they're "working on it" and "ordering the right parts". Riiiiight.

-Ankur
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: anxman69
Had my S4 fail on me three times in the past three months. Absolutely sick of it. It's at the dealership right now ... they're "working on it" and "ordering the right parts". Riiiiight.

-Ankur

3 times? lemon?
 

Kenji4861

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Originally posted by: isekii
Originally posted by: thomsbrain
what's this? volkswagons with electrical problems? what else is new?


Im not surprised at all~

Finally~ I told people I know not to buy VW, cuz I've read many posts, articles on consumer reports that they are not reliable. but no one.. NO ONE ... listened... everyone said "they are better now cuz you see them everywhere" and ofcoarse the looks got them really popular.
 

Kenji4861

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Originally posted by: aphex
<--- Had 2 Coils Fail in my 2002 Passat at different rendering my car undrivable each time, one month apart (the second time i brought my car into VW they got into an accident while test driving it, took over a month to repair)

Glad to see they finally admitted the problem, but i will NEVER buy another VW. I had to scream at them the second time to get them to replace all 4 coils as they said it wasnt needed.

crashed while testdriving? What kind of compensation did you get for that? Crashing a car ruins a cars record doesn't it?
 

johneetrash

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Originally posted by: anxman69
It's a year 2000 and never gave me problems until now ... :-/

-Ankur

hehe the 2000 s4's are now notorious for being 'not as' reliable as the newer ones :)

and the new 24v 2.8L vr6 coil packs are starting to fail too :)

<-- wants a vr6 gti but am turned off by the current problems/dealerships
 

LittleWolf

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LOL.. guys this isn't exactly an electrical problem. A coil supplied by a third party parts provider had an entire batch defective. So a boat-load of cars using these coils failed. Also realize the fact that VW is making that particular parts provider fix the mistake and produce new "fixed" coils 24x7. It just will take a little while for production to catch up with demand. And yeah German cars are/were never really as reliable as Japanese cars. You are plain foolish if you buy a German car for it's reliability. German cars are meant to be bought for driving qualities and luxury over Japanese makes.

 

Pilsnerpete

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Originally posted by: Kenji4861
Originally posted by: aphex
<--- Had 2 Coils Fail in my 2002 Passat at different rendering my car undrivable each time, one month apart (the second time i brought my car into VW they got into an accident while test driving it, took over a month to repair)

Glad to see they finally admitted the problem, but i will NEVER buy another VW. I had to scream at them the second time to get them to replace all 4 coils as they said it wasnt needed.

crashed while testdriving? What kind of compensation did you get for that? Crashing a car ruins a cars record doesn't it?

not if the dealer crashes it! Do you think they talked to any insurance company?


Pete
 

CraigRT

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to all the people who got mad when i bashed VW/Audi's reliability... otherwise i like their cars. but i don't like unreliable overpriced cars, and jerkoff people at the dealeships... it's enough to vow to never own one.