A bipartianship petition and friendly hand extended to fellow Americans

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Enig101
I think it's sort of ridiculous to lump the Bill of Rights together. It is quite easy to perceive that the Right to Bear Arms is outdated. That does not mean that other parts of the Bill of Rights are invalid. I don't see why it has to be "all or nothing". The Bill of Rights is just a set of amendments, no?

As for this thread, I am moderate/liberal and I can clearly see the original post is provocative.

Because if you tamper with one it opens the door to tamper with them all, get it?

If (for example) YOU say "Well, its outdated to own firearms" you can damn well bet the next guy is going to say "Well, with the WoT its outdated to have privacy" and down the slope we go.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: miketheidiot


Shooting someone to protect property shows the clear lack of a moral compass in many people. The life trumps property every time.

I am sorry but if somebody is in my house against my will, my life > their life. I am not going to waste time negotiating with them or asking what their clear intentions are. Obviously they arent there to bake me a cake.

well i think its clear that you are deranged. Nice false choice you put in there btw. Hope it makes you feel better.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
I'm glad that the bill of rights protects my right to own a personal nuclear weapon. its for self defense, really







just trying to point out that the wording in the 2nd amendment is really crappy.

I dont think a nuclear weapons falls under the 2nd amendment. Maybe you can provide a little more insight into your outrageous example?

where does it say the right to bear guns? "arms" are not only guns as peole choose to narrowly define it, its anything you choose to arm yourslef with for self defense. Certainly the arms race was not about building more rifles.

 

[blackllotus]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Criminals cant own firearms, so your point is invalid.

That was a rather stupid mistake on my part.

Originally posted by: Specop 007
UNless your implying our laws are too soft on criminals, in which case I agree.

It depends on the crime.

Originally posted by: Specop 007
But you dont get that warm fuzzy hard on from making tough laws do you, you get that warm fuzzy hard on by banning inanimate objects.

Maybe you get your hard ons from tough laws, but I get mine from women.

Btw, like I said earlier, I fully support allowing people to own handguns. I just don't think the average joe should be allowed to buy a rifle.

So what are you going to tell the hunters? No more hunting?

To hunt you need a hunting liscense right? A hunter is not an "average joe" when it comes to guns.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: Enig101
I think it's sort of ridiculous to lump the Bill of Rights together. It is quite easy to perceive that the Right to Bear Arms is outdated. That does not mean that other parts of the Bill of Rights are invalid. I don't see why it has to be "all or nothing". The Bill of Rights is just a set of amendments, no?

:Q:Q:Q

Stop and think about what you wrote. If a politician, say GWB, said all of law itself doesn't have to be taken "all or nothing", and he's free to violate the "outdated" ones, would you be OK with that?

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Shooting someone to protect property shows the clear lack of a moral compass in many people. The life trumps property every time.

Says you. Not everyone feels that way, and I am one of those people.

I have NO time for criminals. The worth of a mans life isnt in whether he has it or not, but what he does with it. Preying on your fellow man, harming you fellow man.....That leaves me thining you rlife has very little worth.

News flash, not everyone is precious and innocent. There are people in this world who will kill you for nothing more then the change in your pocket. You think these peoples lives are valuable and precious??

What if I decide that you are one of the people that is doing wrong with his life. Poor subjective definitions such as yours leave it very open to interpretation. Thinking that killing some for breaking into your house is a just action really brings into question what worth your life is.


Don't be so quick to right off the lives of others, it makes you just as bad as them.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: miketheidiot


Shooting someone to protect property shows the clear lack of a moral compass in many people. The life trumps property every time.

I am sorry but if somebody is in my house against my will, my life > their life. I am not going to waste time negotiating with them or asking what their clear intentions are. Obviously they arent there to bake me a cake.

well i think its clear that you are deranged. Nice false choice you put in there btw. Hope it makes you feel better.

I laughed when I read Genx87 post, bake a cake, lol That's good.

If I wake up in the middle of the night and someone has broken into my house, then I will accost him at gunpoint and he better not make one false move or I will shoot him right where he stands. Too bad, so sad..... for him

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
I have never understood the perpetual hard-on some US citizens have for guns. It's pathetic.

I would think that after 6 years of the current administration, the Democrats would finally start to understand why citizens should have the right to own guns.

perhaps you've noticed the rapid vaporization of the anti-gun movement.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: miketheidiot


Shooting someone to protect property shows the clear lack of a moral compass in many people. The life trumps property every time.

I am sorry but if somebody is in my house against my will, my life > their life. I am not going to waste time negotiating with them or asking what their clear intentions are. Obviously they arent there to bake me a cake.

well i think its clear that you are deranged. Nice false choice you put in there btw. Hope it makes you feel better.

When in doubt throw in a personal attack. If preserving my own life makes me deranged then so be it. Self preservation is the top priority of any animal and should be.

 

[blackllotus]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Because if you tamper with one it opens the door to tamper with them all, get it?

If (for example) YOU say "Well, its outdated to own firearms" you can damn well bet the next guy is going to say "Well, with the WoT its outdated to have privacy" and down the slope we go.

That argument doesn't work because there is no connection between the right to own firearms and the right to one's privacy. The slippery slope argument for firearms is more like "one rifles are taken away, then hand guns will be taken away, then knifes, then any sharp object, etc...".

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Shooting someone to protect property shows the clear lack of a moral compass in many people. The life trumps property every time.

Says you. Not everyone feels that way, and I am one of those people.

I have NO time for criminals. The worth of a mans life isnt in whether he has it or not, but what he does with it. Preying on your fellow man, harming you fellow man.....That leaves me thining you rlife has very little worth.

News flash, not everyone is precious and innocent. There are people in this world who will kill you for nothing more then the change in your pocket. You think these peoples lives are valuable and precious??

What if I decide that you are one of the people that is doing wrong with his life. Poor subjective definitions such as yours leave it very open to interpretation. Thinking that killing some for breaking into your house is a just action really brings into question what worth your life is.


Don't be so quick to right off the lives of others, it makes you just as bad as them.

Defending the criminals, a liberal hallmark!

Your user name is spot on.

Its really simple. Lets try it again for the idiots on the forum. The worth of a mans life is in what he does with it. You can think my life is worth nothing, but on the other hand I wont kill you for the change in your pocket, you wont catch me stealing your trunk, you wont find me breaking into your house, I wont rape your wife and I wont kidnap your kids.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Because if you tamper with one it opens the door to tamper with them all, get it?

If (for example) YOU say "Well, its outdated to own firearms" you can damn well bet the next guy is going to say "Well, with the WoT its outdated to have privacy" and down the slope we go.

That argument doesn't work because there is no connection between the right to own firearms and the right to one's privacy. The slippery slope argument for firearms is more like "one rifles are taken away, then hand guns will be taken away, then knifes, then any sharp object, etc...".

Funny you bring that up considering England took away the right to bear guns and is now working on taking away the right to own knives. I am sure they will move on down the line to sharp objects once they outlaw knives.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: blackllotus

To hunt you need a hunting liscense right? A hunter is not an "average joe" when it comes to guns.

I can get a hunting license for $30 bucks. So whats your plan, amke everyone who wants to own a rifle have a hunting license? What about varmint hunters who dont require a license and may never decide to truly hunt game? What about competition shooters who never hunt period? What about in the off seaon, what are hunters supposed to do with their rifles?

 

[blackllotus]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
If I wake up in the middle of the night and someone has broken into my house, then I will accost him at gunpoint and he better not make one false move or I will shoot him right where he stands. Too bad, so sad..... for him

Originally posted by: Genx87
I am sorry but if somebody is in my house against my will, my life > their life. I am not going to waste time negotiating with them or asking what their clear intentions are. Obviously they arent there to bake me a cake.

When it comes to actually pulling the trigger on another human being, I doubt that either of you could do it so "easily".

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: miketheidiot


Shooting someone to protect property shows the clear lack of a moral compass in many people. The life trumps property every time.

I am sorry but if somebody is in my house against my will, my life > their life. I am not going to waste time negotiating with them or asking what their clear intentions are. Obviously they arent there to bake me a cake.

well i think its clear that you are deranged. Nice false choice you put in there btw. Hope it makes you feel better.

I laughed when I read Genx87 post, bake a cake, lol That's good.

If I wake up in the middle of the night and someone has broken into my house, then I will accost him at gunpoint and he better not make one false move or I will shoot him right where he stands. Too bad, so sad..... for him

You could make the proper choice and call the cops. They are there for a reason and in my experience will usually be there within a minute or two. I've had to call the cops on an arsonist (never caught since I was to busy trying to put out the fire to actually get across what was happening in time), several irate drunks, vandals, etc in the last year (college campus ftw )

I'm glad you are so eager to kill someone for something that has no reason to end with death.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: miketheidiot


Shooting someone to protect property shows the clear lack of a moral compass in many people. The life trumps property every time.

I am sorry but if somebody is in my house against my will, my life > their life. I am not going to waste time negotiating with them or asking what their clear intentions are. Obviously they arent there to bake me a cake.

well i think its clear that you are deranged. Nice false choice you put in there btw. Hope it makes you feel better.

When in doubt throw in a personal attack. If preserving my own life makes me deranged then so be it. Self preservation is the top priority of any animal and should be.

Thats were the false choice come in. This isn't a life and death situation here, but you are making it one.

 

[blackllotus]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: blackllotus

To hunt you need a hunting liscense right? A hunter is not an "average joe" when it comes to guns.

I can get a hunting license for $30 bucks. So whats your plan, amke everyone who wants to own a rifle have a hunting license? What about varmint hunters who dont require a license and may never decide to truly hunt game? What about competition shooters who never hunt period? What about in the off seaon, what are hunters supposed to do with their rifles?

I think a person should have to know how to use a rifle before being able to own one.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: miketheidiot


Shooting someone to protect property shows the clear lack of a moral compass in many people. The life trumps property every time.

I am sorry but if somebody is in my house against my will, my life > their life. I am not going to waste time negotiating with them or asking what their clear intentions are. Obviously they arent there to bake me a cake.

well i think its clear that you are deranged. Nice false choice you put in there btw. Hope it makes you feel better.

When in doubt throw in a personal attack. If preserving my own life makes me deranged then so be it. Self preservation is the top priority of any animal and should be.

Thats were the false choice come in. This isn't a life and death situation here, but you are making it one.

Tell that to the people killed every year by intruders.

Resume sticking your head in the sand.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Shooting someone to protect property shows the clear lack of a moral compass in many people. The life trumps property every time.

Says you. Not everyone feels that way, and I am one of those people.

I have NO time for criminals. The worth of a mans life isnt in whether he has it or not, but what he does with it. Preying on your fellow man, harming you fellow man.....That leaves me thining you rlife has very little worth.

News flash, not everyone is precious and innocent. There are people in this world who will kill you for nothing more then the change in your pocket. You think these peoples lives are valuable and precious??

What if I decide that you are one of the people that is doing wrong with his life. Poor subjective definitions such as yours leave it very open to interpretation. Thinking that killing some for breaking into your house is a just action really brings into question what worth your life is.


Don't be so quick to right off the lives of others, it makes you just as bad as them.

Defending the criminals, a liberal hallmark!

Your user name is spot on.

Its really simple. Lets try it again for the idiots on the forum. The worth of a mans life is in what he does with it. You can think my life is worth nothing, but on the other hand I wont kill you for the change in your pocket, you wont catch me stealing your trunk, you wont find me breaking into your house, I wont rape your wife and I wont kidnap your kids.

how am i defending criminals? Because I don't think you should be judge, jury and executioner? Do you actually have anything to counter my argument, or are you just going to continue putting up paradoxs.


Also i'm not a liberal, I'm having fun being the devils advocate.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: miketheidiot


Shooting someone to protect property shows the clear lack of a moral compass in many people. The life trumps property every time.

I am sorry but if somebody is in my house against my will, my life > their life. I am not going to waste time negotiating with them or asking what their clear intentions are. Obviously they arent there to bake me a cake.

well i think its clear that you are deranged. Nice false choice you put in there btw. Hope it makes you feel better.

I laughed when I read Genx87 post, bake a cake, lol That's good.

If I wake up in the middle of the night and someone has broken into my house, then I will accost him at gunpoint and he better not make one false move or I will shoot him right where he stands. Too bad, so sad..... for him

You could make the proper choice and call the cops. They are there for a reason and in my experience will usually be there within a minute or two. I've had to call the cops on an arsonist (never caught since I was to busy trying to put out the fire to actually get across what was happening in time), several irate drunks, vandals, etc in the last year (college campus ftw )

I'm glad you are so eager to kill someone for something that has no reason to end with death.

I wish the world was as rosey and perfect as you make it out to be. Just call the cops, they will protect you, lol. I was a cop, and I still have my guns, and of course I would call the cops if someone breaks into my house. But I sure as hell will be holding the criminal at gun point while I wait for the cops to show up. I can tell from the part that I put in bold that you live in a fantasy land.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: miketheidiot


Shooting someone to protect property shows the clear lack of a moral compass in many people. The life trumps property every time.

I am sorry but if somebody is in my house against my will, my life > their life. I am not going to waste time negotiating with them or asking what their clear intentions are. Obviously they arent there to bake me a cake.

well i think its clear that you are deranged. Nice false choice you put in there btw. Hope it makes you feel better.

When in doubt throw in a personal attack. If preserving my own life makes me deranged then so be it. Self preservation is the top priority of any animal and should be.

Thats were the false choice come in. This isn't a life and death situation here, but you are making it one.

Tell that to the people killed every year by intruders.

Resume sticking your head in the sand.

Bingo

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: miketheidiot


Shooting someone to protect property shows the clear lack of a moral compass in many people. The life trumps property every time.

I am sorry but if somebody is in my house against my will, my life > their life. I am not going to waste time negotiating with them or asking what their clear intentions are. Obviously they arent there to bake me a cake.

well i think its clear that you are deranged. Nice false choice you put in there btw. Hope it makes you feel better.

When in doubt throw in a personal attack. If preserving my own life makes me deranged then so be it. Self preservation is the top priority of any animal and should be.

Thats were the false choice come in. This isn't a life and death situation here, but you are making it one.

Tell that to the people killed every year by intruders.

Resume sticking your head in the sand.

And most of the ones that end up with deaths are where people like you try to "defend" yourself and get killed in the process.

 

[blackllotus]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Defending the criminals, a liberal hallmark!

Call me when you wake up to the realities of this world.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Shooting someone to protect property shows the clear lack of a moral compass in many people. The life trumps property every time.

Says you. Not everyone feels that way, and I am one of those people.

I have NO time for criminals. The worth of a mans life isnt in whether he has it or not, but what he does with it. Preying on your fellow man, harming you fellow man.....That leaves me thining you rlife has very little worth.

News flash, not everyone is precious and innocent. There are people in this world who will kill you for nothing more then the change in your pocket. You think these peoples lives are valuable and precious??

What if I decide that you are one of the people that is doing wrong with his life. Poor subjective definitions such as yours leave it very open to interpretation. Thinking that killing some for breaking into your house is a just action really brings into question what worth your life is.


Don't be so quick to right off the lives of others, it makes you just as bad as them.

Defending the criminals, a liberal hallmark!

Your user name is spot on.

Its really simple. Lets try it again for the idiots on the forum. The worth of a mans life is in what he does with it. You can think my life is worth nothing, but on the other hand I wont kill you for the change in your pocket, you wont catch me stealing your trunk, you wont find me breaking into your house, I wont rape your wife and I wont kidnap your kids.

how am i defending criminals? Because I don't think you should be judge, jury and executioner? Do you actually have anything to counter my argument, or are you just going to continue putting up paradoxs.


Also i'm not a liberal, I'm having fun being the devils advocate.

I will be all 3 if someone is in my house threatening the life of my family. You can die with the phone in your hand hiding in a closet, but at least you didn't shoot the poor criminal right?

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: miketheidiot


Shooting someone to protect property shows the clear lack of a moral compass in many people. The life trumps property every time.

I am sorry but if somebody is in my house against my will, my life > their life. I am not going to waste time negotiating with them or asking what their clear intentions are. Obviously they arent there to bake me a cake.

well i think its clear that you are deranged. Nice false choice you put in there btw. Hope it makes you feel better.

I laughed when I read Genx87 post, bake a cake, lol That's good.

If I wake up in the middle of the night and someone has broken into my house, then I will accost him at gunpoint and he better not make one false move or I will shoot him right where he stands. Too bad, so sad..... for him

You could make the proper choice and call the cops. They are there for a reason and in my experience will usually be there within a minute or two. I've had to call the cops on an arsonist (never caught since I was to busy trying to put out the fire to actually get across what was happening in time), several irate drunks, vandals, etc in the last year (college campus ftw )

I'm glad you are so eager to kill someone for something that has no reason to end with death.

I wish the world was as rosey and perfect as you make it out to be. Just call the cops, they will protect you, lol. I was a cop, and I still have my guns, and of course I would call the cops if someone breaks into my house. But I sure as hell will be holding the criminal at gun point while I wait for the cops to show up. I can tell from the part that I put in bold that you live in a fantasy land.

um what? lol. Calling the cops should someone break into my house means I'm living in a fantasy world? Seems to have worked pretty damn well consider i've actually had to do it before.