A bipartianship petition and friendly hand extended to fellow Americans

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: Specop 007
But leave my Rights, and as such my guns, the hell alone.

I support people being able to own handguns, however I don't support the idea of everyone being able to hold a rifle because a rifle is totally unnecessary for self-defense.

Say what? If someone is coming after me with a handgun, it would be nice (if possible) to drop him before he got in handgun range.

As to the Bill of Rights, you have to understand that the weaponry they had back then was much more primitive than what we have now. For example, I doubt they envisioned giving everyone the right to have a mounted gatling gun on top of their houses.

Actually, at the time everyone had the latest "state of the art" weaponry.

 

[blackllotus]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Say what? If someone is coming after me with a handgun, it would be nice (if possible) to drop him before he got in handgun range.

Do you expect to be engaged in a gun fight in an open field?

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: blackllotus
As to the Bill of Rights, you have to understand that the weaponry they had back then was much more primitive than what we have now. For example, I doubt they envisioned giving everyone the right to have a mounted gatling gun on top of their houses.

Actually, at the time everyone had the latest "state of the art" weaponry.

That statement has nothing to do with what I wrote.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Say what? If someone is coming after me with a handgun, it would be nice (if possible) to drop him before he got in handgun range.

Do you expect to be engaged in a gun fight in an open field?

Can you guarantee me that I won't? Hell no you can't so buzz off and quit trying to control me

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: blackllotus
As to the Bill of Rights, you have to understand that the weaponry they had back then was much more primitive than what we have now. For example, I doubt they envisioned giving everyone the right to have a mounted gatling gun on top of their houses.

Actually, at the time everyone had the latest "state of the art" weaponry.

That statement has nothing to do with what I wrote.[/quote]

Then, nor did yours.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: Specop 007
But leave my Rights, and as such my guns, the hell alone.

I support people being able to own handguns, however I don't support the idea of everyone being able to hold a rifle because a rifle is totally unnecessary for self-defense.

As to the Bill of Rights, you have to understand that the weaponry they had back then was much more primitive than what we have now. For example, I doubt they envisioned giving everyone the right to have a mounted gatling gun on top of their houses.

And they didnt have the internet either. Should we throw out free speech because a few whackjobs can put up a website showing how to build a bomb that millions will view?

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot


BTW MM did not write this you twit.

The A Liberal's Pledge to Disheartened Conservatives Petition to Conservatives and Republicans was created by and written by Michael Moore (petition@michaelmoore.com)

You were saying?

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
No, I have no intrest in shredding any part of the BoR,

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand?

So where is this "militia"? I don't see any such thing, you mean the crips and bloods? or maybe southern militias waiting to overthrow the government?

Neither of which apply here, sorry.

We have a standing army now, we have moved beyond the need for a militia.
Or maybe we should disband the military for you and let whackos and gangsters take over.

Originally posted by: Specop 007
You realize firearms were used 2 million times to defend live and property right?

Yeah, to shoot other people with guns aquired becasue of idiotic lack of controls that let them fall into criminals hands becasue civvies leave them around their homes to get stolen or sell them, great job.

Shooting someone to protect property shows the clear lack of a moral compass in many people. The life trumps property every time.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Specop 007


You just cant say it can you. Not with a straight face. Because you know, deep down inside, you want to shred the BoR and pick and choose what rights we get.

Go clean your rifle tinfoil-boi. Pelosi is on the phone to the UN RIGHT NOW and they are on their way to grab all of your guns. :laugh:

Like I said, show your true colors. The sooner the better.

Oh by the way, good job avoiding all my facts and basing your arguments from purely emotional drivel. Heck, while we're at it lets ban crime.

Oh, and burn that pesky BoR. Damn thing keeps getting in the way of progress I say!

weren't you one of the ones so eager to throw the 1st and 4th amendments in the trash? Why fight so vigorously for what is clearly a less import amendment?

 

[miketheidiot]

I'm glad that the bill of rights protects my right to own a personal nuclear weapon. its for self defense, really







just trying to point out that the wording in the 2nd amendment is really crappy.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
No, I have no intrest in shredding any part of the BoR,

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand?

So where is this "militia"? I don't see any such thing, you mean the crips and bloods? or maybe southern militias waiting to overthrow the government?

Neither of which apply here, sorry.

We have a standing army now, we have moved beyond the need for a militia.
Or maybe we should disband the military for you and let whackos and gangsters take over.

Originally posted by: Specop 007
You realize firearms were used 2 million times to defend live and property right?

Yeah, to shoot other people with guns aquired becasue of idiotic lack of controls that let them fall into criminals hands becasue civvies leave them around their homes to get stolen or sell them, great job.

Shooting someone to protect property shows the clear lack of a moral compass in many people. The life trumps property every time.

I am sorry but if somebody is in my house against my will, my life > their life. I am not going to waste time negotiating with them or asking what their clear intentions are. Obviously they arent there to bake me a cake.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
I'm glad that the bill of rights protects my right to own a personal nuclear weapon. its for self defense, really







just trying to point out that the wording in the 2nd amendment is really crappy.

I dont think a nuclear weapons falls under the 2nd amendment. Maybe you can provide a little more insight into your outrageous example?

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Actually Worlocked, I support ALL of our rights and freedoms. I was simply using it as an example of how retarded Steeple is. I mean, how retarded Steeples argument is.

In fact, I'm a pretty easy going guy. I can handle gay marriages. GO ahead, marry whoeevr you want I really dont care. I can handle slightly higher taxes as long as its used to balance the budget and not done under the idea of wealth redistribution. Corporate tax breaks can go away, I wont be overly concerned with it.

But leave my Rights, and as such my guns, the hell alone.

Sounds reasonable, who hacked Specop's account?

Har har har.

I'm really a live and let live kinda guy. You do your thing, I'll do mine. If only others were as easy going.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: Specop 007
But leave my Rights, and as such my guns, the hell alone.

I support people being able to own handguns, however I don't support the idea of everyone being able to hold a rifle because a rifle is totally unnecessary for self-defense.

As to the Bill of Rights, you have to understand that the weaponry they had back then was much more primitive than what we have now. For example, I doubt they envisioned giving everyone the right to have a mounted gatling gun on top of their houses.

Oh? What firearm type do you think is repsonsible for the most crimes, rifles or pistols?
What firearm type is most often used for hunting? Rifles or pistols?
What firearm type is most often used for long range competitions? Rifle or pistol?

As for the wording, when it was written you could go buy the absolute newest, latest and top of the line weapon available. The forefathers envisioned people being able to own whatever was available. Let price be the limiting factor.

If you trust someone with a pistol, why not trust them with a tank? If you dont trust someone to the point you dont want them to own some type of weapon, then obviously you dont trust the person period regardless of the weapon they may wish to own.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Shooting someone to protect property shows the clear lack of a moral compass in many people. The life trumps property every time.

Says you. Not everyone feels that way, and I am one of those people.

I have NO time for criminals. The worth of a mans life isnt in whether he has it or not, but what he does with it. Preying on your fellow man, harming you fellow man.....That leaves me thining you rlife has very little worth.

News flash, not everyone is precious and innocent. There are people in this world who will kill you for nothing more then the change in your pocket. You think these peoples lives are valuable and precious??

 

[homercles337]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
It has nothing to do with militias, and everything to do with
"the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

Do you also interpret your bible literally? If you dont then you are a hypocrite. You cant have it both ways you know?

 

[bamacre]

4. When we soon bring our sons and daughters home from Iraq, we will bring your sons and daughters home, too. They deserve to live. We promise never to send your kids off to war based on either a mistake or a lie.

How about an apology from all the Democrats that voted in favor of this war? Many publically supported it. Including the Clintons.

8. We will never stick our nose in your bedroom or your womb. What you do there as consenting adults is your business. We will continue to count your age from the moment you were born, not the moment you were conceived.

9. We will not take away your hunting guns. If you need an automatic weapon or a handgun to kill a bird or a deer, then you really aren't much of a hunter and you should, perhaps, pick up another sport. We will make our streets and schools as free as we can from these weapons and we will protect your children just as we would protect ours.

Like Starbuck1975 stated, ".. the Democrat leadership tends to champion many of these causes only when it is politically convenient to do so."

Pure hypocrisy.

12. We will not tolerate politicians who are corrupt and who are bought and paid for by the rich. We will go after any elected leader who puts him or herself ahead of the people. And we promise you we will go after the corrupt politicians on our side FIRST. If we fail to do this, we need you to call us on it. Simply because we are in power does not give us the right to turn our heads the other way when our party goes astray. Please perform this important duty as the loyal opposition.

Translation: We will continue to be corrupt politicians, but when the American public has enough evidence of any instance of corruption, we will do something about it.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: Specop 007
It has nothing to do with militias, and everything to do with
"the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

Do you also interpret your bible literally? If you dont then you are a hypocrite. You cant have it both ways you know?

Why not, is the bible law in this country?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I have never understood the perpetual hard-on some US citizens have for guns. It's pathetic.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: Specop 007
It has nothing to do with militias, and everything to do with
"the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

Do you also interpret your bible literally? If you dont then you are a hypocrite. You cant have it both ways you know?

Is the Bible the law of the land??

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
I have never understood the perpetual hard-on some US citizens have for guns. It's pathetic.

Its not a hard-on, its a RIGHT. Americans get pissy when you mess with our Rights.

 

[homercles337]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: Specop 007
It has nothing to do with militias, and everything to do with
"the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

Do you also interpret your bible literally? If you dont then you are a hypocrite. You cant have it both ways you know?

Why not, is the bible law in this country?

Theyre both ancient documents subject to interpretation. If you dont interpret your bible literally you cant logically interpret another ancient document differently without being a hypocrite.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: Specop 007
It has nothing to do with militias, and everything to do with
"the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

Do you also interpret your bible literally? If you dont then you are a hypocrite. You cant have it both ways you know?

Why not, is the bible law in this country?

Theyre both ancient documents subject to interpretation. If you dont interpret your bible literally you cant logically interpret another ancient document differently without being a hypocrite.

Yes you can when it comes to interpreting the law of the land. If we used the bible as our law of the land then we would be required to interpret it literally and apply it literally.

We however dont use a bible as our constitution, so your argument is weak.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
I have never understood the perpetual hard-on some US citizens have for guns. It's pathetic.

I would think that after 6 years of the current administration, the Democrats would finally start to understand why citizens should have the right to own guns.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

12. We will not tolerate politicians who are corrupt and who are bought and paid for by the rich. We will go after any elected leader who puts him or herself ahead of the people. And we promise you we will go after the corrupt politicians on our side FIRST. If we fail to do this, we need you to call us on it. Simply because we are in power does not give us the right to turn our heads the other way when our party goes astray. Please perform this important duty as the loyal opposition.

That promise is already broken - see Murtha, John. So much for going after corrupt politicians on your side FIRST (if at all).

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

12. We will not tolerate politicians who are corrupt and who are bought and paid for by the rich. We will go after any elected leader who puts him or herself ahead of the people. And we promise you we will go after the corrupt politicians on our side FIRST. If we fail to do this, we need you to call us on it. Simply because we are in power does not give us the right to turn our heads the other way when our party goes astray. Please perform this important duty as the loyal opposition.

That promise is already broken - see Murtha, John. So much for going after corrupt politicians on your side FIRST (if at all).

Quite an amazing feat when you think about it. Not even 1 week from the elections and 1 broken promise.

 

[Vic]

Not acceptable because the OP is an authoritarian fascist, not a liberal.