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iRONic

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hal2kilo said:
This probably deserves another thread but, the Governor of Kentucky who is a Democrat, just had a presser where he said the Grand Jury testimony should be released.
Maybe Wolfee could chime in if he sees this, but I think one of the biggest problems with our justice system is the secrecy of grand juries. I can see that they should be while in progress, that the actual grand jurors should remain anonymous. But why do we not now how justice is delved out in our so called free society.
You know, let the people see the justice sausage being made.
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Gov. Beshear is doing a damn good job since taking office considering the shit sandwich the previous admin had zero intention to, nor mandate to fix.

He had no issue working with a R Sec of State to secure the primaries and the up-coming general election. If the moron mayor of Louisville and LMPD command weren't such fuck ups there would be less violence downtown.

Make no mistake, Daniel Cameron is now responsible for two wounded police.
 
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iRONic said:
Gov. Beshear is doing a damn good job since taking office considering the shit sandwich the previous admin had zero intention to, nor mandate to fix.

He had no issue working with a R Sec of State to secure the primaries and the up-coming general election. If the moron mayor of Louisville and LMPD command weren't such fuck ups there would be less violence downtown.

Make no mistake, Daniel Cameron is now responsible for two wounded police.
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That turd AG, is also going along with all Pub efforts at voter suppression.
 
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hal2kilo said:
This probably deserves another thread but, the Governor of Kentucky who is a Democrat, just had a presser where he said the Grand Jury testimony should be released.
Maybe Wolfee could chime in if he sees this, but I think one of the biggest problems with our justice system is the secrecy of grand juries. I can see that they should be while in progress, that the actual grand jurors should remain anonymous. But why do we not now how justice is delved out in our so called free society.
You know, let the people see the justice sausage being made.
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The thinking on this is that grand jury evidence should remain confidential to protect ongoing investigations and the fairness of any trials which may follow. My understanding is that the Kentucky gov wants the AG to release the evidence it presented to the grand jury to the fullest extent possible without compromising the one case against the one officer who has been charged. Ironically, the fact that they charged one instead of none is providing an excuse for the AG to sit on the evidence.

Most critical in the case is the evidence pertaining to whether the police properly executed the knock and announce warrant they had as the law will protect the police who properly executed their warrant over the homeowner trying to defend herself. What is known publicly is that all the police say they repeatedly announced their presence, while one resident says he heard them shout "police!" once, and all other residents say they heard nothing.
 
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woolfe9998 said:
The thinking on this is that grand jury evidence should remain confidential to protect ongoing investigations and the fairness of any trials which may follow. My understanding is that the Kentucky gov wants the AG to release the evidence it presented to the grand jury to the fullest extent possible without compromising the one case against the one officer who has been charged. Ironically, the fact that they charged one instead of none is providing an excuse for the AG to sit on the evidence.

Most critical in the case is the evidence pertaining to whether the police properly executed the knock and announce warrant they had as the law will protect the police who properly executed their warrant over the homeowner trying to defend herself. What is known publicly is that all the police say they repeatedly announced their presence, while one resident says he heard them shout "police!" once, and all other residents say they heard nothing.
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I thought about the innocent people angle, but that stuff could be appropriately redacted. The people no longer have any trust, something has to change.
 
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1309307134316875776

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Sunburn74 said:
So this is a great point. There is a phrase that goes "if you wanted, you could indict a ham sandwich". When prosecutors fail to get indictments, it almost certainly is because they didn't really want to get the indictments. The grand jury process is a one sided show. There is no defense and prosecutors get to control what evidence the jury sees. Someone can be indicted based on 3rd hand witness accounts for example (I knew a guy who knew a guy who knew a guy stuff). To fail to get an indictment simply means they actually didn't even try rather than the jury simply declined to indict for murder or higher charges.
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Yeah they're just one of the incredibly insanely broken parts of our justice system.

That prosecutor 100% did not want this to go to trial because he knew it would reveal comprehensive fuckups by the police.
 
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darkswordsman17 said:
Yeah they're just one of the incredibly insanely broken parts of our justice system.

That prosecutor 100% did not want this to go to trial because he knew it would reveal comprehensive fuckups by the police.
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It's the coverups that annoy the higher ups. Fuckups you can just blame on some low level and fire.
 
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nickqt said:
It's the coverups that annoy the higher ups. Fuckups you can just blame on some low level and fire.
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Not when the fuckups point to basically every aspect including the higher ups. Plus its usually the higher ups doing the covering up trying to keep their own asses from getting ensnared as well.

What you're talking about is scapegoating bullshit where they claim it was a fuckup by some underling (when often that's not at all what even occurred).
 
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darkswordsman17 said:
Not when the fuckups point to basically every aspect including the higher ups. Plus its usually the higher ups doing the covering up trying to keep their own asses from getting ensnared as well.

What you're talking about is scapegoating bullshit where they claim it was a fuckup by some underling (when often that's not at all what even occurred).
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The mayor doesn't give one fuck about some street cop. Neither does the head of the police union. Or the AG.

They do give a fuck about their covering-up of their own actions. That's the only thing they ever care about.

A prosecutor can indict anyone for anything with a Grand Jury. That they chose not to is covering up their bullshit "Grand Jury" actions.

It's almost never the fuck up, it's almost always the cover up.
 
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Oh oh, Chris is hitting trump with the Obama economy truth bomb!



***damn it wrong thread.
 
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Surprised it hasn't been posted here.
The judge granted the order and the transcripts will be released.
 
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We're heading to the Louisville Highlands neighborhood after work today for a canned goods/BLM rally. My wife has a co-worker who lives there. His wife has been bringing water and ice to Jefferson Square park since the protests started.

Going to be interesting for us...
 
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