A bill was introduced to end No-Knock warrants.

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[DHT]Osiris

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Absolutely gross. At minimum, they were trying to rough up the locals into moving. If true, that 'police squad' should be shut down, and whoever's doing this development should be ground under the heel of an investigation for the next 24 months.
 
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Without claiming to be the usual AT law expert & policing expert.
I feel no knock warrants have a place but I feel they are used magnitudes more than they are required. Be great if they would only be asked for under very specific circumstances and even then rarely used.
 

Pohemi

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Without claiming to be the usual AT law expert & policing expert.
I feel no knock warrants have a place but I feel they are used magnitudes more than they are required. Be great if they would only be asked for under very specific circumstances and even then rarely used.
Seems typical that if police ask for it, and give even a half-ass reason, many judges won't even bat an eyelash before signing off on it. Far too easy.
 
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Fenixgoon

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hal2kilo

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It seems to me that there are times when police might not want to let the occupants know they're coming in. I know that if I was going to be the first guy through a door, and the fellow on the other side had already killed people, I'd prefer that he not know I'm there. I assume that's a rare situation, but I also assume it does occasionally happen.
Maybe if they knew a child was being abused in real time. I can't think of anything else so dire, as to violate peoples rights to be secure in their home. Drugs aren't special.
 
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ch33zw1z

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Without claiming to be the usual AT law expert & policing expert.
I feel no knock warrants have a place but I feel they are used magnitudes more than they are required. Be great if they would only be asked for under very specific circumstances and even then rarely used.

I feel comfortable saying that it will never be like unless the police allowed full transparency and penalized Leo's who did not perform due diligence before executing even a heavily restricted no knock warrant. At this point, that's on a wish list. Get rid of no knocks and asset seizures, start with accountability, regain trust, and let's see what happens. The country will implode before police admit large scale wrong doing.
 
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I feel comfortable saying that it will never be like unless the police allowed full transparency and penalized Leo's who did not perform due diligence before executing even a heavily restricted no knock warrant. At this point, that's on a wish list. Get rid of no knocks and asset seizures, start with accountability, regain trust, and let's see what happens. The country will implode before police admit large scale wrong doing.

It’s kind of like that “short cut” at work. Someone finds a way to get work done much more quickly and easily by skirting a rule. Doesn’t take long for everyone to start skirting rules, then it doesn’t take much longer for people to start playing very, very loose with rules/policies.
We are all lazy and we all want to accomplish tasks as quickly as possible with the least amount of energy spent. Rule applies to Police too.
 
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ch33zw1z

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It’s kind of like that “short cut” at work. Someone finds a way to get work done much more quickly and easily by skirting a rule. Doesn’t take long for everyone to start skirting rules, then it doesn’t take much longer for people to start playing very, very loose with rules/policies.
We are all lazy and we all want to accomplish tasks as quickly as possible with the least amount of energy spent. Rule applies to Police too.

Yea, it's just when I take a short cut at work, innocent people arent murdered in the homes by plain clothes police who aren't even announcing who they are. Oh, and are usually there because somebody caught in the war on drugs is trying to reduce their own penalty. We all know how trustworthy and concrete drugs users can be with their information /s

No knocks and asset seizures are pretty big violations of the constitution as far as I can't tell.
 

kage69

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Have to say I'm impressed by Colorado. Not only do they now have a rare earth metal processing plant (which we sorely need) I just saw this

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Hell. Yes.

Sounds like a great model for other states to emulate, stat.
 

kage69

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check this out, five of the same cops just a year and a half before her murder running another bogus and botched no-knock warrant on an innocent family...


Any team using a flashbang then immediately issuing verbal commands at gunpoint strikes me as a group of cowboys looking to shoot people.

They shouldn't even be allowed to be mall cops. Do they not do any recon there? A tip is all that is needed? What a sick sick joke.
 

Jaskalas

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Any team using a flashbang then immediately issuing verbal commands at gunpoint strikes me as a group of cowboys looking to shoot people.

Yeah... they use something for the purpose of confusing and disorientating people. Then press a situation / issue commands where they'll kill them if they happen to be... confused or disorientated.
 

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They're back tracking and saying it was all a preliminary document and they removed her name since she is deceased.
 

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Hulu has a NYT documentary on Breonna's death, I haven't watched it yet, plan to this weekend
 

Fenixgoon

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