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A 28 year old former bartender just beat virtually every megacorporation in the US for congress

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imported_tajmahal said:
Sure it does Bucky, especially where it references the growing violence of the left. Baseball Republican slaughter anyone?
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Which side are neo-Nazis on, the ones who are planning a rally in front of the White House because they know Trump has their back? Hint: not the left.
 
imported_tajmahal said:
Sure it does Bucky, especially where it references the growing violence of the left. Baseball Republican slaughter anyone?
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Yes, it does. I find it funny that when confronted with fascism conservatives don't recognize their failures and try to improve, they look for someone else to blame.

As far as 'growing violence' goes, I would recommend you concern yourself with the ongoing violence of the right. They launch more attacks against their fellow Americans do than those Islamic extremists you're so terrified of. Kind of funny how the people launching the most terrorist attacks in our country aren't the foreigners conservatives want to keep out... it's conservatives.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...k-data-domestic-terrorism-and-whos-behind-it/

Why do you think that is?
 
fskimospy said:
Yes, it does. I find it funny that when confronted with fascism conservatives don't recognize their failures and try to improve, they look for someone else to blame.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...k-data-domestic-terrorism-and-whos-behind-it/

Why do you think that is?
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Most Republican's are card carrying members.

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imported_tajmahal said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_fascism
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From the link:

Left-wing fascism and left fascism are sociological and philosophical terms used to categorize tendencies in left-wing politicsotherwise commonly attributed to the ideology of fascism. Fascism has historically been considered a far-right ideology, but crossovers may be expected according to the horseshoe theory, where the touching point between the far-left and the far-right may be the use of power and/or political terrorism.
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HomerJS said:
I don't recall anyone mentioning universal housing so stop conflating.
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Her campaign poster says "Housing as a Human Right".

HomerJS said:
One Congressperson cannot enact universal jobs but its a laudable goal.

Interesting Republicans constantly bitch Dems want to do nothing but give freebies. They propose jobs and Republicans still bitch.
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Is it a laudable goal, though? It's a laudable desire, but then again I don't know anyone who wants people who are willing and able to work to be unemployed. Saying universal jobs is your platform isn't a proposal. Developing a program to provide universal jobs is. Thus, to evaluate her position as an actual platform we need to understand some details. Otherwise, she might as well say that she's going to build a wall and make Mexico pay for it.
 
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fskimospy said:
Universal jobs guarantee is similar to universal basic income except it applies to a smaller subset of the population and you get work for it.
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I don't think that's comparable. Redistributing income is technically a lot easier. Creating jobs and filling them with qualified employees is a lot more difficult. And then, if jobs are guaranteed, what about people who will show up for work but not add value?

fskimospy said:
Universal housing is a bit trickier but I suspect you could implement that if you took some of my GREAT SUGGESTIONS in other housing threads. Radically upzone and decrease impediments for building housing everywhere, especially in desirable areas. (she's likely really referring to housing problems in expensive areas like NYC) You'll get a lot of extra tax revenue from this, which is then used to fund affordable/public housing for those who still can't afford it.
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Things are a lot more complicated than that, but it doesn't necessarily mean some government intervention couldn't make housing more accessible. And I would particularly be interested in things like housing-first interventions for the homeless which have been looked at in a variety of implementations and generally shown to actually reduce public tax burden.

fskimospy said:
I don't see why they aren't practical?
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Evaluating practicality of any specific plan requires knowledge of the specific plan. We don't have it. However, what I was referring to is not so much whether something aligned with the ideas per se could practically work. What I was referring to is how things in government work. A 28-year-old junior Congressperson is not going to waltz in and implement a radically progressive agenda regardless of how good her plan is.

All that is assuming she has an actual plan to implement these things that makes any sense at all. Haven't we learned the Donald here?
 
interchange said:
I don't think that's comparable. Redistributing income is technically a lot easier. Creating jobs and filling them with qualified employees is a lot more difficult. And then, if jobs are guaranteed, what about people who will show up for work but not add value?
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I doubt any jobs guarantee would mean 'a guaranteed job even if you were a complete piece of shit' so I don't see this as something worth worrying about.

Things are a lot more complicated than that, but it doesn't necessarily mean some government intervention couldn't make housing more accessible. And I would particularly be interested in things like housing-first interventions for the homeless which have been looked at in a variety of implementations and generally shown to actually reduce public tax burden.
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You could say 'things are more complicated than that' about almost any government policy but in places like NYC restrictive building policies are the #1 impediment to affordable housing for everyone. It's not even close.

Evaluating practicality of any specific plan requires knowledge of the specific plan. We don't have it. However, what I was referring to is not so much whether something aligned with the ideas per se could practically work. What I was referring to is how things in government work. A 28-year-old junior Congressperson is not going to waltz in and implement a radically progressive agenda regardless of how good her plan is.

All that is assuming she has an actual plan to implement these things that makes any sense at all. Haven't we learned the Donald here?
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It's entirely reasonable for a US house primary candidate to not have drawn up a legislative act implementing her campaign priorities as primary candidates have neither the staff nor the money to do that; according to Open Secrets she raised all of $300,000 for the entire campaign in basically the most expensive market in the country. That's in marked contrast to presidential candidates who absolutely have sufficient resources to come up with credible outlines of their policies. It's totally unreasonable to compare a house primary candidate with a US presidential candidate.

As to how government works I have seen no indication from any of her campaign materials or public statements that she believes her policies can be implemented alone by a single junior congressperson. I respect your opinion quite a bit but unless you can show any evidence that's the case I think you're being a little ridiculous.
 
Trump is fucking delusional:

Wow! Big Trump Hater Congressman Joe Crowley, who many expected was going to take Nancy Pelosi’s place, just LOST his primary election. In other words, he’s out! That is a big one that nobody saw happening. Perhaps he should have been nicer, and more respectful, to his President!
 
brycejones said:
Trump is fucking delusional:

Wow! Big Trump Hater Congressman Joe Crowley, who many expected was going to take Nancy Pelosi’s place, just LOST his primary election. In other words, he’s out! That is a big one that nobody saw happening. Perhaps he should have been nicer, and more respectful, to his President!
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brycejones said:
Trump is fucking delusional:

Wow! Big Trump Hater Congressman Joe Crowley, who many expected was going to take Nancy Pelosi’s place, just LOST his primary election. In other words, he’s out! That is a big one that nobody saw happening. Perhaps he should have been nicer, and more respectful, to his President!
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Surprise surprise, Trump is so god damned stupid he doesn't know what a primary is.
 
imported_tajmahal said:
Well .....except for a free handout higher education, free handout housing and free handout healthcare.
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Per my own policy:
  • Education needs to be reformed via a program that competes with the vastly overpriced institutions that exist today. Become certified at 1/5th or 1/10th the cost. You do not need 100 million dollar campuses.
  • Housing needs a program that'll step in and suck up properties under a resident's rights guarantee that'll accept lower income families and try harder to not force them out onto the streets. Combined with Basic Income, and NO ONE will be removed for lack of income.
  • Healthcare need to be expanded like Medicare and is the second biggest expenditure behind Basic Income.
 
If Trump thought Crowley wasn't respectful to him, just wait until he deals with a young Hispanic-American woman. She's effectively going to be giving him a permanent middle finger, and he will always deserve it.
 
fskimospy said:
You could say 'things are more complicated than that' about almost any government policy but in places like NYC restrictive building policies are the #1 impediment to affordable housing for everyone. It's not even close.
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One of the things I was thinking of was the forces keeping the current housing situation in place. Not everyone has the same goal as her. It seems to me impossible to imagine anyone, regardless of clout, could simply undo the current structure. Thus, there needs to be something less ambitious, or in stages, etc.

fskimospy said:
It's entirely reasonable for a US house primary candidate to not have drawn up a legislative act implementing her campaign priorities as primary candidates have neither the staff nor the money to do that; according to Open Secrets she raised all of $300,000 for the entire campaign in basically the most expensive market in the country. That's in marked contrast to presidential candidates who absolutely have sufficient resources to come up with credible outlines of their policies. It's totally unreasonable to compare a house primary candidate with a US presidential candidate.
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Well I don't expect her to have legislation drafted, but I would like some detail on how she might suggest going from point A to point B. I'll agree that there's a lower bar for preparedness in platform for a Congress than President. But the bar ought to be something more substantive than this poster.

fskimospy said:
As to how government works I have seen no indication from any of her campaign materials or public statements that she believes her policies can be implemented alone by a single junior congressperson. I respect your opinion quite a bit but unless you can show any evidence that's the case I think you're being a little ridiculous.
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Basically all I've been trying to get across is this:
- Regardless of the merit of these ideas, they couldn't be implemented easily or completely
- I want to see what she thinks about that -- whether there's actually any understanding, appreciation, and plan for working on what she would like to do

And that's all I'm saying. All I've seen is what's written here. There may be a whole lot of substance behind her. But I'm not going to support her with zero substance. And I don't understand why that's a little ridiculous.
 
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