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ctbaars said:
Great movie. Great fantasy;
Vader stuff was just right. The choking bit was setup for Orson Krennic and he acted his ambition out very very well. He made a very good villain.
While character development was rough, it took off well. And why the Droid death was the "best" death.
Music was questionable a lot of times indeed.
In my top 2. This and the Save-the-Whales one.
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Vader's "joke" was lame and out of character. Vader never made puns and never would. I just didn't think that whole Vader scene was needed - we got Krennic's ambitions and frustrations from his argument with Tarkin. Him going and pouting to Vader made him look foolish and childish. He ran off to dad when his big brother bullied him.
 
Another plot quibble ... why in the blue hell would the alliance risk having Leia and her ship in the hanger of the main ship of the rebel attack? Also, kind of a disconnect with Bail's last scene where he's leaving Yavin 4 to head back to Alderaan as the fleet seemed to have left from Yavin very shortly after that.
 
Homerboy said:
Why would you think that? There's no reason and at that point, all the Jedi should be dead.
There's no story-arch here outside the movie. So making her a Jedi would be pointless. Everyone is dead
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It looked like she was wearing thoroughly worn Jedi robes.
 
Great movie. It was nice to see a big space battle, though I didn't notice the capital ships firing at all. I think they introduced a plot hole by showing the droids back at the base when the fighters were deploying for the final battle since they are supposed to be with Leia when Vader catches her.

Also good job on them for making a plausible explanation for the Death Star's weakness.
 
Homerboy said:
Vader's "joke" was lame and out of character. Vader never made puns and never would. I just didn't think that whole Vader scene was needed - we got Krennic's ambitions and frustrations from his argument with Tarkin. Him going and pouting to Vader made him look foolish and childish. He ran off to dad when his big brother bullied him.
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Funny, I didn't see it that way. Vader was more of a plot device. I was paying attention to the story and characters at that point. Krennic's presentation of his ambition was childish. Much better acted out than Ren's childish evil presentation.
Also. I got the jokes. "I'm blind", "the odds", "I have a bad feeling about this". I loved the jokes but some a bit shoe-horned in, I'm okay with that, it's fun; but even worse with some was the crispness of the dialogue without sound track not matching the surrounding dialogue and sound to make sure everyone in the theater heard it correctly. To me it's like breaking the fourth-wall (or whatever it's called).
 
I thought it was.. OK. The end battle was nice, but the first part of the movie didnt really feel all that Star Warsy. No Jedi, no force powers, rebels killing innocents, I didnt really feel a connection to a lot of the concepts of the SW world. Anyone catch the over head page for "General Syndulla"? I wonder if they were talking about Hera or Cham,or someone else. In the end, most of the main characters were one and done and not really a part of the other movies/TV shows, which makes it seem a bit forgettable.
 
I'd give this a 6.5/10

I was bored for most of the movie, extremely formulaic and basic, not exciting at all until near the the ending. And yes, Vader's first appearance sucked and felt out of place, especially with what they had him say. Literally only thing I this had going for it was that it was Star Wars. And yes, why the hell would they have the Princess as part of a huge battle. It did not feel like a Star Wars at all. I did not care about any of the characters, none of the them were interesting enough.

I didn't think Force Awakens was great because it was a rehash but at least it felt like a Star Wars movie and was interesting to watch, this was neither.
 
Loved it! I've been so busy life wise I haven't paid any attention to any of the trailers nor the reviews. All I knew was that it was another prequel and the protagonist was a woman. So, I really enjoyed how it all tied into the original. Sure there was some hokey stuff but there's some in every movie. And it was different to see everyone die. Right up there with Star Wars and Empire.
 
Pens1566 said:
Another plot quibble ... why in the blue hell would the alliance risk having Leia and her ship in the hanger of the main ship of the rebel attack? Also, kind of a disconnect with Bail's last scene where he's leaving Yavin 4 to head back to Alderaan as the fleet seemed to have left from Yavin very shortly after that.
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That was my few issues with the movie. I get that they wanted to connect it to the 4th movie, but it was bizarre to have Leia hanging out in the ship in the middle of the battle. I was also under the impression that they rebels were attempting sneak the plans via Leia because she had diplomatic status. In this it was just luck of the draw as anyone could have been on the ship.

One other thought kept going through my mind at the end as well.. who builds these bases? Who was the brainchild that thought putting the dish alignment button was well placed on the railing (IDK what you call where it was) hanging off the base for no other reason than to give vertigo. I'd say maybe visual alignment but how one could do that with a ship in space which is what the stupid thing is for negates that. To say nothing of the random opening and closing shaft that we're meant to believe that will cut a leg off if caught in it. I couldn't help but think of Galaxy Quest and the engine room.
 
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Skel said:
That was my few issues with the movie. I get that they wanted to connect it to the 4th movie, but it was bizarre to have Leia hanging out in the ship in the middle of the battle. I was also under the impression that they rebels were attempting sneak the plans via Leia because she had diplomatic status. In this it was just luck of the draw as anyone could have been on the ship.

One other thought kept going through my mind at the end as well.. who builds these bases? Who was the brainchild that thought putting the dish alignment button was well placed on the railing (IDK what you call where it was) hanging off the base for no other reason than to give vertigo. I'd say maybe visual alignment but how one could do that with a ship in space which is what the stupid thing is for negates that. To say nothing of the random opening and closing shaft that we're meant to believe that will cut a leg off if caught in it. I couldn't help but think of Galaxy Quest and the engine room.
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Yea I was doing an internal laugh at the placement of those controls also and was thinking back to the cheesiness of the originals with their love of walkways with giant drops everywhere.
 
Slew Foot said:
I thought it was.. OK. The end battle was nice, but the first part of the movie didnt really feel all that Star Warsy. No Jedi, no force powers, rebels killing innocents, I didnt really feel a connection to a lot of the concepts of the SW world. Anyone catch the over head page for "General Syndulla"? I wonder if they were talking about Hera or Cham,or someone else. In the end, most of the main characters were one and done and not really a part of the other movies/TV shows, which makes it seem a bit forgettable.
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Why shouldn't rebels kill innocents in Star Wars? They're basically terrorists. You can argue it is terrorism for a good cause, a fight against tyranny. But it is still terrorism. Innocents are no doubt caught in the crossfire of rebel bombings and strikes against Imperial military targets. Even though that is not captured on screen, surely it must be happening. I think something is lost portraying the rebels and imperials as wholly good and purely evil. The imperials should be shown demonstrating a form of oppressive but more or less orderly stability, with rebels attempting to bread down that order in the name of liberty. Evil is on both sides.

This is also why I prefer the version of Star Wars where Greedo never shoots. These are dark times and even mostly good people need to get their hands dirty to survive.
 
How did they build the second Death Star if they blew up the only place the plans were kept? Did they steal them back from the rebels? Also I hope they had backups of the rest of the plans. I'd hate to be trying to work on some other station only to be told the plans were destroyed because they wanted to keep the DS a secret. Considering the anti-osha way the stations are built, not having the plans for it could literally lose one a limb or worse.
 
Pretty sure Tarkin would not blow up a base if it had the sole set of plans for the Death Star. He likely had a personal set himself. Or maybe with the second death star they started almost from scratch to ensure the weakness built into the first one would not exist.
 
zerocool84 said:
I'd give this a 6.5/10

I was bored for most of the movie, extremely formulaic and basic, not exciting at all until near the the ending. And yes, Vader's first appearance sucked and felt out of place, especially with what they had him say. Literally only thing I this had going for it was that it was Star Wars. And yes, why the hell would they have the Princess as part of a huge battle. It did not feel like a Star Wars at all. I did not care about any of the characters, none of the them were interesting enough.

I didn't think Force Awakens was great because it was a rehash but at least it felt like a Star Wars movie and was interesting to watch, this was neither.
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Thinking Leah was kinda there by accident. Jyn's raid on the base to steal the plans was spur of the moment and not sanctioned. Once the senator heard from the radio guy, she directed the generals to send the fleet, so I bet they were all rushing over to help.
 
The first hour and a half were boring and forgettable. The rest was pretty good though.

Uncanny Tarkin was just wrong and jarring. I might have been able to get over the face, but the really bizarre walking movements were so off-putting. He looked like someone re-used the animation for the terminators when they're skinless.

The end of it *almost* made it worth sitting through the snoozefest that was the beginning. I'm pleased they had the balls to just kill everyone.

I also liked that they had red-lens Vader.

Vader punning is just stupid.
 
zerocool84 said:
I'd give this a 6.5/10.
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I agree. I'd probably give it a 7/10 or something close to that. The first half was just too slow and not that interesting. I like Donnie Yen in Chinese-language movies, but I just can't stand hearing him speak English. It just takes me out every time I hear him! The biggest problem is that the movie tried to push us to like so many new characters at once, but it just didn't do that great of a job. Most of the characters just weren't that interesting, or they didn't do a great job in displaying their flaws. Cassian (or whatever his name is) reminds me a lot of Locke from Final Fantasy VI. He's the sort of rogue-ish character that's somewhat tormented by his past. The problem is that his "turning point" is really just him saying, "Yeah, I've done some bad things... so I'mma help you!" K4-SO was arguably the most interesting character, because he's the one that actually had a personality. Cassian was the quiet brooding one, Jyn was the quiet brooding one, and the rest.... eh, they were kinda better.

Honestly, it was the end of the movie that showed me why this movie just can't live up to a REAL Star Wars movie. The scene with Vader on the ship was the best fucking scene in the movie hands down. It was a bit short (maybe 1-2 minutes), but it was shot in an interesting, almost horror-like manner that just worked really well for him. It made me realize, "Yeah... I would've rather seen him for two hours than the rest of this...."
 
Aikouka said:
I agree. I'd probably give it a 7/10 or something close to that. The first half was just too slow and not that interesting. I like Donnie Yen in Chinese-language movies, but I just can't stand hearing him speak English. It just takes me out every time I hear him! The biggest problem is that the movie tried to push us to like so many new characters at once, but it just didn't do that great of a job. Most of the characters just weren't that interesting, or they didn't do a great job in displaying their flaws. Cassian (or whatever his name is) reminds me a lot of Locke from Final Fantasy VI. He's the sort of rogue-ish character that's somewhat tormented by his past. The problem is that his "turning point" is really just him saying, "Yeah, I've done some bad things... so I'mma help you!" K4-SO was arguably the most interesting character, because he's the one that actually had a personality. Cassian was the quiet brooding one, Jyn was the quiet brooding one, and the rest.... eh, they were kinda better.

Honestly, it was the end of the movie that showed me why this movie just can't live up to a REAL Star Wars movie. The scene with Vader on the ship was the best fucking scene in the movie hands down. It was a bit short (maybe 1-2 minutes), but it was shot in an interesting, almost horror-like manner that just worked really well for him. It made me realize, "Yeah... I would've rather seen him for two hours than the rest of this...."
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Exactly that's my problem, all the character development fell flat. They tried introducing too many people in such a short amount of time.
 
I loved it. It felt much more like the Star Wars universe than TFA did. Unlike TFA I left the theater wanting to see it again immediately. Yes the first Vader scene was a bit out of place and the completely useless "leg chopper" port hole was a waste of screen time but the rest was great.
 
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