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Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
Originally posted by: angry hampster
Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

It looks like G80 was one the finest graphics cards ever made for its time. nVidia cannot even beat it - by much.
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No, but they can release a card at half the price (GT) with equal performance.
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1) The 8800GT trails the 8800GTX by a good 10-20% and sometimes even more! So they are not equal in performance. Perhaps when you run low resolution with no AA. But who does that?
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http://www23.tomshardware.com/...9&model2=722&chart=279

This shows them exactly equal in performance, and at high resolutions 1900x1200, with AA and AF 4xaa, 8xaf.

Also, if you overclock the 8800gt 512 (which most people do), mine is at 740/1780/1912, then its faster than gtx and an ultra in this benchmark and many others.
 
i would say the only time i would buy a dual gpu card like this is if ALL the cards are dual/multi gpu. i bet sandwiching 2 g92's together is cheaper for nvidia to produce than a single gtx/ultra.
 
From the inquirer's article today on the gx2:
http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/...eforce-9800-gx2-nabbed

"The rest of the roadmap takes a decidedly unwelcome skew, as Nvidia adopts DAAMIT's tactics of rebranding current-gen products with a new name. The 9800 series will be a small revamp of the 8800, with support for Tri-SLI and some tweaked clocks and specs. The 9600 will do the typical trick of being a new mid-range card that doesn't perform as fast as well, bang for buck, as previous generation cards.

It seems that we won't have anything genuinely new from Nvidia for quite a while - it's possible that we won't see a truly next-gen graphics architecture for another nine months. If R700 continues to see delays, there will be little incentive for Nvidia to push out anything sooner.

You can read some more details over a HardOCP here and here. µ"
 
Originally posted by: jaredpace
Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
Originally posted by: angry hampster
Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

It looks like G80 was one the finest graphics cards ever made for its time. nVidia cannot even beat it - by much.
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No, but they can release a card at half the price (GT) with equal performance.
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1) The 8800GT trails the 8800GTX by a good 10-20% and sometimes even more! So they are not equal in performance. Perhaps when you run low resolution with no AA. But who does that?
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http://www23.tomshardware.com/...9&model2=722&chart=279

This shows them exactly equal in performance, and at high resolutions 1900x1200, with AA and AF 4xaa, 8xaf.

Also, if you overclock the 8800gt 512 (which most people do), mine is at 740/1780/1912, then its faster than gtx and an ultra in this benchmark and many others.
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Tom's hardware benchmark list is often wrong. It has obvious flaws if you look at it. Situations where the Ultra and the GTX get the same exact framerate. For instance, look at Dark Messiah 1920x1200, you will notice the 8800GTX and ULTRA get the same framerate, that is CLEARLY incorrect. There is no way they would as it is very GPU bound. There are man other issues with the benchmark list too. I call into the question the benchmark you listed. What are the chances they had the 'exact' same scores? Seems fishy to me. Both have the same score down the decimal point - I think not.

Lets use AT or something else that is more reliable. But don't get me wrong, I love Tom's Hardware, I just think their charts have a lot of mistakes in them and that the data is suspect.

Quote from AT taken from here.

But back to the real story, in spite of the fact that the 8800 GT doesn't touch the GTX, two of them will certainly beat it for either equal or less money.
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So, there you have it. Keep in mind, very few 8800GT's overclock to the level you are suggestion is normal. Additionally, the 8800GTX can be overclocked too, in fact, MSI was selling factory overclocked ones at 616Mhz core.
 
Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
Originally posted by: jaredpace
Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
Originally posted by: angry hampster
Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

It looks like G80 was one the finest graphics cards ever made for its time. nVidia cannot even beat it - by much.
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No, but they can release a card at half the price (GT) with equal performance.
Click to expand...

1) The 8800GT trails the 8800GTX by a good 10-20% and sometimes even more! So they are not equal in performance. Perhaps when you run low resolution with no AA. But who does that?
Click to expand...

http://www23.tomshardware.com/...9&model2=722&chart=279

This shows them exactly equal in performance, and at high resolutions 1900x1200, with AA and AF 4xaa, 8xaf.

Also, if you overclock the 8800gt 512 (which most people do), mine is at 740/1780/1912, then its faster than gtx and an ultra in this benchmark and many others.
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Tom's hardware benchmark list is often wrong. It has obvious flaws if you look at it. Situations where the Ultra and the GTX get the same exact framerate. For instance, look at Dark Messiah 1920x1200, you will notice the 8800GTX and ULTRA get the same framerate, that is CLEARLY incorrect. There is no way they would as it is very GPU bound. There are man other issues with the benchmark list too. I call into the question the benchmark you listed. What are the chances they had the 'exact' same scores? Seems fishy to me. Both have the same score down the decimal point - I think not.

Lets use AT or something else that is more reliable. But don't get me wrong, I love Tom's Hardware, I just think their charts have a lot of mistakes in them and that the data is suspect.
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Here is anand with "the 8800gt: the only card that matters"

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3140&p=9
1280x1024, a stock clocked 8800gt is faster than a gtx in oblivion and ut3 and in every other game, it is equal, or very close.

here is bf2142 again from xbit labs:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articl...ss-8800gt_7.html#sect1
this time an 8800gt is faster than an 8800gtx in bf2142 at an even higher resolution than the tomshardware benchmark.

 
Originally posted by: jaredpace
Here is anand with "the 8800gt: the only card that matters"

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3140&p=9
1280x1024, a stock clocked 8800gt is faster than a gtx in oblivion and ut3 and in every other game, it is equal, or very close.

here is bf2142 again from xbit labs:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articl...ss-8800gt_7.html#sect1
this time an 8800gt is faster than an 8800gtx in bf2142 at an even higher resolution than the tomshardware benchmark.
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Let me copy and paste when I wrote several posts back.

1) The 8800GT trails the 8800GTX by a good 10-20% and sometimes even more! So they are not equal in performance. Perhaps when you run low resolution with no AA. But who does that? Nevermind, many people do that.
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As for your second point - BF2 is a VERY old game (and lame, IMO) so, I really can care less about that performance. I'd like to see new games. Can you provide me with BioShock 8800GT Versus 8800GTX benchmarks at high resolution with AA? Thanks.

Anyway, I don't care to debate performace in a thread where that was not the intention. i have the 8800GTS (G92) which leads the 8800GT by around 10-15% stock for stock, and the 8800GTX is faster than my card (slightly) in the majority of games. So, take it for what is worth. The faster the 8800GT is, the faster my 8800GTS is, so I guess I don't care either way.

I guess my main point is that nVidia didn't do this from the kindness of their heart. They did it because they could produce cheaper PCB's, cheaper chips, lower power and sell them some simular profit as their G80 more expensive counterparts. They then sell higher volume and bingo, nVidia makes a killing. Smart move, and a great move. We just happened to benefit by it, which is great.
 
Originally posted by: jaredpace
This shows them exactly equal in performance, and at high resolutions 1900x1200, with AA and AF 4xaa, 8xaf.
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Originally posted by: jaredpace
Here is anand with "the 8800gt: the only card that matters"

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3140&p=9
1280x1024, a stock clocked 8800gt is faster than a gtx in oblivion and ut3 and in every other game, it is equal, or very close.
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I don't think the question has ever been about GT vs. GTX at lower resolutions like 1280x1024, especially with no AA.

here is bf2142 again from xbit labs:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articl...ss-8800gt_7.html#sect1
this time an 8800gt is faster than an 8800gtx in bf2142 at an even higher resolution than the tomshardware benchmark.
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The GT lags behind the GTX in both of the 1920x1200 benchmarks on that page.
 
Originally posted by: djnsmith7
Does anyone think this card will perform better than the preliminary predictions?...
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That depends on the clocks. If they truly are (spec for spec) two 8800GTS' planted together, they should perform nearly the same as 8800GTS (G92) SLI. So, in certain situations, it will be more than 30% faster, perhaps up to 50-60% faster than the Ultra. But, in the worst case scenarios (which may be more often than best case) it will be no better than a single 8800GTS (G92). Buying a product like the GX2 is a huge gamble because you can never be sure of the driver support, or the performance it will bring to unreleased games. I personally would stay away from multi-GPU solutions until they deviate from software driver level support for it.
 
Originally posted by: wanderer27
Only 30% faster than an 8800 Ultra?

Disappointing.
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that is dissapointing. kinda sad that after a who year we have nothing more than this.
i'm glad i sold my 8800gt for a Wii. pc gaming lost its key advantage now that amd can't offer competition on the high end.
 
Originally posted by: tanishalfelven
i'm glad i sold my 8800gt for a Wii. pc gaming lost its key advantage now that amd can't offer competition on the high end.
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That hits my alloted daily stupidity tolerance. Time to close up ATOT for the day, way to go.
 
Originally posted by: tanishalfelven
Originally posted by: wanderer27
Only 30% faster than an 8800 Ultra?

Disappointing.
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that is dissapointing. kinda sad that after a who year we have nothing more than this.
i'm glad i sold my 8800gt for a Wii. pc gaming lost its key advantage now that amd can't offer competition on the high end.
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considering the ONLY game that the current cards cant run completely maxed out is crysis(not even a very good game, short sp and bad mp). you may be way off base.

 
Originally posted by: tanishalfelven
that is dissapointing. kinda sad that after a who year we have nothing more than this.
i'm glad i sold my 8800gt for a Wii. pc gaming lost its key advantage now that amd can't offer competition on the high end.
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Yeah I just bought a PS3 since my 3870 has been on RMA (holiday basically) for almost a month now. Uncharted: Drakes Fortune on PS3 looks amazing (I actually can't believe it looks that good sometimes since I've heard the PS3 is somewhat inferior in graphics even to the Xbox360)...is fun...and I don't need to spend money on a SLI/Xfire comp to play it with decent frames. I sorta regretted buying the PS3 after trying some of the demos but after buying Uncharted...no regrets whatsoever now...and there's even more games to look forward to in the coming year.

I've been all about PC gaming since N64...but for some reason I lost my enthusiasm after Crysis came out (and crushed all video cards) and my card went south.

 
pc gaming is for multiplayer. if you only like singleplayer experiences then a console is really good. how many times can you play crysis over? maybe once. pc gamings key advantage is and has always been multiplayer and will continue to be so. graphics and frames are also better on pc if yours is up to date.

you lost your enthusiasm after one game that is ahead of hardware? isnt that a good thing? consoles don't even get a game like crysis to be crushed with. the games are made just for the hardware. pc games are pushing further ahead. have fun playing that same ps3 4 years from now.
 
It's not like you can't play both pc and console games. I still have a PS2, and although I game primarily on pc, I still enjoy games like God of War 2 and GT4 on the PS2. And even on pc, I'm more into single player games than multiplayer. The truth is, it's not only Crysis that needs a faster card than a 8800gtx. At resolutions like 1920x1200, if you add AA and maxed out settings, plenty of other games like COD4 and WIC could use a faster card.
 
More 9800GX2 pics

- Uses two G92-400 GPUs (ones found on the 8800GTS)
- Release date of 14 Feb 08
- MSRP of $449
- Will implement a 4 way AFR for Quad SLi
- Performance roughly 30% to 50% faster than the 8800 Ultra
 
Originally posted by: munky
It's not like you can't play both pc and console games. I still have a PS2, and although I game primarily on pc, I still enjoy games like God of War 2 and GT4 on the PS2. And even on pc, I'm more into single player games than multiplayer.
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That's true and I'm also more into single-player games. I probably WILL play on both but I was just saying it's sorta expensive keeping up with PC gaming. The most I spent on a video card was almost CAD $600 (with tax) on a 8800GTS 640mb on launch day in '06 and while the performance was great...it wasn't worth that much money. I'll definitely never spend that much again.
 
Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
More 9800GX2 pics

- Uses two G92-400 GPUs (ones found on the 8800GTS)
- Release date of 14 Feb 08
- MSRP of $449
- Will implement a 4 way AFR for Quad SLi
- Performance roughly 30% to 50% faster than the 8800 Ultra
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At $449 it really is not an unreasonable option, especially for someone like me with a decent P35 board as opposed to getting a second GTS 512 and a 780i board. It really depends on how long the gap is between this card's introduction and the next architectural release, and of course driver support.
 
The best way to look at this card is '8800GTS SLI for those without nforce SLI motherboards' - nothing more, nothing less. This is for the folks that want to run 8800GTS SLI without having to replace their AMD/Intel-chipset motherboards.

Quad-SLI was a joke the last time it reared its ugly head in our way. A handful of games will showcase awesome gains at a 4 MP resolution with 8/16xAA....the rest of them will either scale poorly or open up a Pandora's box of glitches, crashes, slowdowns and anomalies.

Disclaimer: All of this is speculation based on 7-series Quad-SLI. I do not present these guesstimates as fact. Do not flame me. And wow, Firefox's spellchecker says guesstimate is an actual word. :Q
 
Originally posted by: angry hampster
$449 is pretty damn impressive. Even for $500, it's a steal.
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I agree.

It will probably settle somewhere between $460-$480 for stock cards.
That's not bad. If it wasn't for all the issues surrounding a SLI-based card, I'd consider it.

This just means that the 9800GTX will go for ~$399 MSRP. Sounds GOOD to me!!!
 
Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
More 9800GX2 pics

- Uses two G92-400 GPUs (ones found on the 8800GTS)
- Release date of 14 Feb 08
- MSRP of $449
- Will implement a 4 way AFR for Quad SLi
- Performance roughly 30% to 50% faster than the 8800 Ultra
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Do I see HDMI *and* optical audio output -- or is it input? -- in one of those pics?

I wonder what's up with that.
 
hdmi & optical! woot! and its the size of a bus. that quad sli shot, the cards are hanging over the edges of the motherboard!

btw cookie, that link you posted is titled "ubersexy version" in german.

hahahah
 
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