That has to be the best example of what Nvidia is doing right now that I've seen. I really want to upgrade badly but it looks like I'll be waiting for R700 or GT200.
Hauk
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The young gamer climbs the tall mountain. Reaching the top and his goal he says "Great Swami, help me predict the future!"
The Swami adjusts himself and after a moment replies
"Ah yes my child, the future. When GT200 bears its fruit and that fruit costs $650-$700, it will be too much to the man below. You see, young nailbiter, a mans appetite is never satisfied. A single gpu solution will have arrived for those who refused to go multi-gpu, but it will be too expensive and won't provide 60fps in Crysis with very high settings."
The Swami adjusts himself and after a moment replies
"Ah yes my child, the future. When GT200 bears its fruit and that fruit costs $650-$700, it will be too much to the man below. You see, young nailbiter, a mans appetite is never satisfied. A single gpu solution will have arrived for those who refused to go multi-gpu, but it will be too expensive and won't provide 60fps in Crysis with very high settings."
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Originally posted by: SteelSix
And I'm so tired of Crysis. I wish the whole Crysis concept would burst into flames. Crysis is a gimmick. Benchmarking it should be boycotted until further notice.
[Experiences range of emotions] :| :laugh: :evil:
Well the fact that it is the present-day Oblivion in that no card can play it adequately at very high settings thereby making it painfully obvious that it's high time that both Nvidia and AMD need to release a new GPU architecture instead of recycling the same year+-old tech over and over again makes it quite relevant, IMO.
Thank God somebody said something intelligent. Everybody held their breath for the 9800 GTX despite it being a refresh of the 8800GTS. Now that it's close the the GX2 performance or better up until 1600x1200 I don't know what's so bad. It may not crush the 8800 GTX but it is faster and at nearly half the price and less wattage. Nvidia and AMD are pushing multi gpu as the future and as such if you want to destroy the 8800 GTX which cost twice as much as this at launch (roughly, Palit is supposed to launch one for $273) then you can afford to pay for two. So at the same price point you should be able to really see the next generation performance by SLIing these. Too bad we don't have that review yet but wait a week and I'm sure you will.
lmao i love it the 9800GTX isnt much faster than my lovely cheap and nasty 9600GT.
oh dear Nvidia have made a huge muckup here, who on earth will want a GX2 when this is released ?
oh dear Nvidia have made a huge muckup here, who on earth will want a GX2 when this is released ?
well i dont know. I need a new card and to me this is a good price for the performance that it recieves. I will be overclocking it which should be getting more frames than this.
I must agree here with you ... about being fanboy
No but seriously, you have a point, I think if this review isn't a load of brahmin crap, this card seems like a good deal for $300, especially compared with the 9800GX2 for $600 as the two cards give pretty similar performance (except on high resolutions and probably with AA/AF enabled).
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Originally posted by: gersson
Damn, I wanted this to be worth upgrading to from an 8800GT
Stupid Crysis is mocking us.
While the 8800 GT has tremendous following and success, it won't clock to 800+core/1900+shader/2200+memory. Wait and see folks. If I'm wrong on this I'll eat my soiled boxers. This card is screaming to be overclocked.
Crysis is a very poor and unoptimised game that was trying to be clever and failed, after playing the game for 10mins you start to notice somthing
That somthing is the graphics really arent that good at all, the huts look like somthing out of a DX7 game, the sound is very bland, and the gameplay is just ewwwwwwww.
Crysis should be banned from the human language so we can all forget about it and pretend it never happened.
That somthing is the graphics really arent that good at all, the huts look like somthing out of a DX7 game, the sound is very bland, and the gameplay is just ewwwwwwww.
Crysis should be banned from the human language so we can all forget about it and pretend it never happened.
Originally posted by: SteelSix
Originally posted by: gersson
Damn, I wanted this to be worth upgrading to from an 8800GT
Stupid Crysis is mocking us.
While the 8800 GT has tremendous following and success, it won't clock to 800+core/1900+shader/2200+memory. Wait and see folks. If I'm wrong on this I'll eat my soiled boxers. This card is screaming to be overclocked.
you're right about 9800gtx oc. with 1.25 load vgpu standard you will likely see ~840 core and the 8 ns memory at 1200, and the shader anywhere from 1150-1250.
Originally posted by: SteelSix
Originally posted by: gersson
Damn, I wanted this to be worth upgrading to from an 8800GT
Stupid Crysis is mocking us.
While the 8800 GT has tremendous following and success, it won't clock to 800+core/1900+shader/2200+memory. Wait and see folks. If I'm wrong on this I'll eat my soiled boxers. This card is screaming to be overclocked.
Do vmodded 8800GT's count.
minus the 2200 memory of course.I bought the EVGA 8800 GTS 512 in January and it has already lost a third of its value. If the 8900 GTX is priced at $350.00 I could do the step-up to it for about $15.00. Not a bad value really. I was thinking about stepping up to the 9800 GX2, but given how close this card is to the GX2 it hardly seems worth spending $250.00 more for an extra 4 frames per second or so in alot of games.
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Originally posted by: Shaq
Originally posted by: SteelSix
Originally posted by: gersson
Damn, I wanted this to be worth upgrading to from an 8800GT
Stupid Crysis is mocking us.
While the 8800 GT has tremendous following and success, it won't clock to 800+core/1900+shader/2200+memory. Wait and see folks. If I'm wrong on this I'll eat my soiled boxers. This card is screaming to be overclocked.
Do vmodded 8800GT's count.
Wow that's a nice OC. I didn't know they'd go that high with the volt mod. Yes, that counts! :thumbsup:
Originally posted by: SteelSix
Originally posted by: Shaq
Originally posted by: SteelSix
Originally posted by: gersson
Damn, I wanted this to be worth upgrading to from an 8800GT
Stupid Crysis is mocking us.
While the 8800 GT has tremendous following and success, it won't clock to 800+core/1900+shader/2200+memory. Wait and see folks. If I'm wrong on this I'll eat my soiled boxers. This card is screaming to be overclocked.
Do vmodded 8800GT's count.
Wow that's a nice OC. I didn't know they'd go that high with the volt mod. Yes, that counts! :thumbsup:
Pics or ban
One thing I noticed, the gap between the 8800GT and 9800GTX increased at higher resolutions.
I've got a Dell 30" 2560x1600 monitor, so I try to look at benchmarks run at my resolution.
But the increase still doesn't seem that much over my 8800GT, so I will probably pass, unless it's pretty cheap.
I've got a Dell 30" 2560x1600 monitor, so I try to look at benchmarks run at my resolution.
But the increase still doesn't seem that much over my 8800GT, so I will probably pass, unless it's pretty cheap.
They crossed out the 8 and put a 9 there.
Nah I think the number of shaders is back to 128 for the 9800GTX while the 8800GT is at 112 I think. And maybe they use the PCI-e clock for the reference clock like the 9600GT does.
Originally posted by: SteelSix
Originally posted by: Shaq
Originally posted by: SteelSix
Originally posted by: gersson
Damn, I wanted this to be worth upgrading to from an 8800GT
Stupid Crysis is mocking us.
While the 8800 GT has tremendous following and success, it won't clock to 800+core/1900+shader/2200+memory. Wait and see folks. If I'm wrong on this I'll eat my soiled boxers. This card is screaming to be overclocked.
Do vmodded 8800GT's count.
Wow that's a nice OC. I didn't know they'd go that high with the volt mod. Yes, that counts! :thumbsup:
well since the 8800GT/GTS/9800GTX are pretty close to the same chip except for voltage/power regulation. 8800GT is 1.21v/2 phase 8800GTS 1.25v/3 phase and 9800GTX 1.27v/4 phase. I had to raise the voltage higher than the GTS/GTX though...about 1.3v I assume due to only 2 phase power it is less efficient. I have a GX2 now which I may or may not keep so I can't get pics, but there are plenty that do 800 with a vmod on air. Check xtremesystems. If the 9800GTX is almost as good as the GX2 I will just swap them and wait for GT200.
I will be selling the GT though once I decide which card to keep. Hopefully I can get $250 for it with vmod and aftermarket cooler.
Nvidia is using naming conventions to fool people into believing they are getting a higher end part. This card should have been called an 8900.
Historically when Nvidia releases a new generation it offers very substantial gains over the older tech. Even though I hated the many variations flying under the monicker "8800 gts" it made more sense than this garbage. The difference between the 8800 gts cards was greater than the difference between the 8 series and 9 series top cards.
Imagine the gamer who bought a Dell, HP, etc system outfitted with a 8800gtx 17 months ago. I feel sorry for the poor suckers spending the cash upgrading from that to the 9800 expecting an improvement.
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After reading this thread I have a couple things to say:
1) Comparing 9800GTX to GX2 does put 9800GTX in good light, but that's only because GX2 is such poor value.
2) GF5->GF6 (2x) the performance, GF6-GF7 (about 50-60% to 7800GTX 256), GF7-GF8 (2x). Based on this Real next gen part should have been at least 50% faster than 8800GTX 768.
This is where the disappointment lies.
3) 8800GTX is now $289 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814130072. Comparing the cost of 8800GTX at debut ($500+) to what 9800GTX will cost has little relevance to today. The way I look at it is that NV is just complacent since ATI isn't threatening their market share, so why bother pull out GT200? So knowing that NV can introduce a much much better graphics card today is disappointing since deep down you know that 9800GTX isn't representative of the firm's true potential.
I am going to bet that NV will replace this card rather quickly with GT200 as soon as HD4xxx comes into play. This is ATI's chance to regain the performance crown.
1) Comparing 9800GTX to GX2 does put 9800GTX in good light, but that's only because GX2 is such poor value.
2) GF5->GF6 (2x) the performance, GF6-GF7 (about 50-60% to 7800GTX 256), GF7-GF8 (2x). Based on this Real next gen part should have been at least 50% faster than 8800GTX 768.
This is where the disappointment lies.
3) 8800GTX is now $289 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814130072. Comparing the cost of 8800GTX at debut ($500+) to what 9800GTX will cost has little relevance to today. The way I look at it is that NV is just complacent since ATI isn't threatening their market share, so why bother pull out GT200? So knowing that NV can introduce a much much better graphics card today is disappointing since deep down you know that 9800GTX isn't representative of the firm's true potential.
I am going to bet that NV will replace this card rather quickly with GT200 as soon as HD4xxx comes into play. This is ATI's chance to regain the performance crown.
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