If its priced as low as the 8600gts then ATI is in trouble, its going to be like when Nvidia blew the x700 out of the water with the 6600gt back in the day
It's probably somewhere between G92 (324mm^2) and RV670 (192mm^2). AMD will still have a die size advantage because of 55nm vs 65nm.
9600GT is exactly what AMD doesn't need at this time if it actually hits the same price range as the HD 3850. A few months ago, when an 8800GT 512MB cost $250-300, the HD 3870 @ $219 and the HD 3850 @ 150-170 was perfect, but now the 8800GT 512MB can be found cheaper than the HD 3870 and the 9600GT will probably sell for around $160-170.
I wouldn't be surprised if we see the HD 3850 drop into sub $150 territory and the HD 3870 settle at the $170-180 price point. AMD will have to drop prices to be competitive, like usual. At least RV670 is a really small chip.
Does it say how much it is OCed. If it is OCed by 10-15%, then it might be close to the same speed as the 3850. The 256 Ram on the 3850 would probably be slower at high resolutions though.
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: Aberforth
Originally posted by: apoppin
.. we are looking at a 9600
-compare it to 8six00 series which truly sux at DX10
i know that, i was expecting atleast 15,000 3dmark 06 scores for 9600 and 25K barrier for 9800.......Nv rushed the model numbers because of that physx deal.
And you chose 15,000 from what data? Or is it a "pull it out of thin air" number?
8600's were a dissapointment as they were outperformed by previous gen high end.
9600GT is just about on par with current high end (up to 3870 & 8800GT) in some situations.
And please explain how the physx deal influenced model numbers. Not just your gut feeling either. Facts. I cannot stand FUD.
No I am not spreading FUD or anything lol - I am just expressing my opinion which is not a crime ofcourse, infact forums can never be taken for accuracy or fact I am sure you (of all ppl) know that by now. The problem is you guys fail to see what I see, Geforce 9 Series is not based on a new architecture, it's just a simple re-design. You might ask why? Because I now realised that it might be due to the Phyx deal, NV without any doubt lacked the skills for making a next gen gpu - we can understand this from the G80 GPU which they hyped it for DX 10 support. As you know DX 10 reduces CPU overhead by redirecting calls to GPU, the developers in the industry naturally misunderstood this by adding 50% more visual effects than what was necessary which was too much for the hardware, the problem was in the hardware itself- these games reduced the CPU usage by 12-40% leaving a free room for other CPU bound operations but at the same time the GPU was not powerful enough to render that level of visuals- this was because most DX 10 games are heavily shader dependent and dx10 had it's own shader buffer pools so nv cards had shader processors to process these shaders but it was never enough because the performance factor was dependent on the number of shader processors not the GPU itself and I can only guess that nv realized they couldn't increase shader processor numbers all the time- meaning there is a limiting factor to it, so a card can never have 1500 shader processors. The big issue now is free cpu and underpowered GPU. Much of the performance is based on drivers itself, DX10 drivers are based on the new WDD model so it should be written very accurately and it should meet the official coding standards to see the real benefit.
So I guess they rushed Geforce 9 inorder to make room for PhysX integration.
If 9600GT really does sell at ~$160-180 price range, then this is the most compelling mid-range card yet. Too bad there's no temperature numbers, because if the 9600GT runs alot cooler than 8800GT, then I'm SOLD.
Edit: Just checked the review again. GAH, it's HOTTER than 8800GT. That's not good at all. I guess if they retail at $160 range, then I'd still buy it.
Edit: Just checked the review again. GAH, it's HOTTER than 8800GT. That's not good at all. I guess if they retail at $160 range, then I'd still buy it.
I just read on nvnews.net Best Buy has a BFG 9600gt on sale already! It's priced over $200 but that makes sense as so are the 8600gts there. Anyone know if these will run on the same power requirements as an 8600gt?
Originally posted by: Killrose
Pretty impressive against the 3870 but I noticed they used 8.1 instead of the 8.2 Cats. But who knows maybe thats an advantage for the 3870?
I wish sites would throw in some tests with lower end CPU's for us X2 AMD guys
If you game at GPU limited resolutions you're fine; only 1-2FPS below the Core2Duo folks like me.
This is a factory overclocked version though. There is a passive 8800gt out right now so a passive 9600gt should be equally viable as it has a smaller die and fewer sp's to cool. That being said I don't know that I believe their data. 66db on load and 78 on idle and at 2cm? i smell tuna.
Yeah..it's weird that actually 9600 GT and HD3870 were both louder when those cards were idling. And two cm...ftw? They should test one meter away to get results that could indicate about some real life situation..and then they would still have problem of having open test rig..
very few reviewers are as worried about duplicating "real life situations" as they are or being able to inflame results and widen gaps between competing products and shrink them between non-competing products. Thats why I've stayed here for going on 5 years.
Not bad for a mid range card as long as its priced lower than £120 it will be a great card, but it still isnt any faster than than the 18month old 8800 series so nothing to get excited about unless like i said they keep the prices down, i bought my XFX 7600GT XXX for £116 just after they were released.
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Is it out yet ? if not when its release ? i was about to buy a 3870 but im not keen on ATI and now this looks like it could be better and cheaper hopfully and its Nvidia aswell
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Originally posted by: SniperDaws
Is it out yet ? if not when its release ? i was about to buy a 3870 but im not keen on ATI and now this looks like it could be better and cheaper hopfully and its Nvidia aswell
I think it's supposed to come out this Thursday/Friday.
I snagged one @ BBY on Saturday but haven't had time to open it and fool around with it. Got a new pressure washer that takes priority.
how do you work that out when the 9600GT clearly keeps up with the 8800GT and beats it when using AA and AF.
EDIT: well it beats the 8800GT when 8xMSAA and 16xAF is enabled in HL2 Ep2 at 1920x and is 1fps behind the 8800GT on the other game tested World in Conflict which is pretty amazing.
All this on its first driver aswell.
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