90 lashes? But I was raped!

[1prophet]

Originally posted by: kage69

I've always been against the fact that despite independence 60 years ago our political system is still the same that we inherited from the British. We do not practice Sharia law and that maybe one reason why women are treated the way they are. However, the federal laws do not extend to the tribal regions where most of these crimes are taking place.

Thank you for finally answering, even if it was a bit of a cop out. I will agree that most of the violence directed at women in Pakistan occurs in the tribal areas, but let's not pretend those areas aren't utilizing their own form of Sharia. Be that as it may, I still find your notion of regime change abroad over the grounds you cited a tad hypocritical - the phrase "See to your own house before judging your neighbors" seems to apply here.

Aww personal insults, because you can't answer a simple question, but I expect nothing less from hecklers in the audience like yourself, but its ok it is quite scary to get on stage.

The "answers" to your immaterial objection have already been provided, but I suspect you lack the maturity to disclose you finally figured out why you're wrong, which is why you're now acting like a complete ass, and trying to invalidate my input as 'heckling.'
You've ignored pretty much all of my input in this thread, introduced something that doesn't apply, and are now castigating me for not playing along.

Anyone with half a brain reading this thread is probably wondering what meds you're on and why you stopped taking them. By all means, keep talking, this self-portrait of idiocy you're bestowing on the thread is just great!

Get well soon kiddo...

Sorry mister meanie my mommy didn't give me any lunch money for you to take from me today, but I will play nice and explain my original post which was never directed at you or expecting a response from you.

I was asking, informing those in the US who decry Sharia and were blasting another member of the forums about it but didn't know or care that their government (USA) allowed its institution into Iraqi law.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: kage69
Thank you for finally answering, even if it was a bit of a cop out. I will agree that most of the violence directed at women in Pakistan occurs in the tribal areas, but let's not pretend those areas aren't utilizing their own form of Sharia. Be that as it may, I still find your notion of regime change abroad over the grounds you cited a tad hypocritical - the phrase "See to your own house before judging your neighbors" seems to apply here.

Who ever said of a regime change? I will follow whatever laws the lawmakers pass; it's not for me to say what those are neither do I have the power to do anything. If I were an American citizen I would do the same. However I maintain my right not to agree with them and let my opinion be known not that it will make much difference. And that's one main reason why I'm against those trying to stage an uprising; be it political or military in this country. Treason should not be tolerated.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: kage69
Syria, really? Syrian women have it comparatively good compared to the some of the other countries you mentioned, and the widespread acceptance of alcohol there kinda differentiates their views from their neighbors. Should I ask what you saw?

Extreme sunni Islam has taken root throughout many of the more remote areas of eastern Syria, contrary to anything Aimster might think or say.

As is the case in most Islamic nations, areas far from the centers of power tend to migrate toward various twisted forms of Sharia Law...

You've never been to Syria.

Are you denying what I wrote, or merely trying to question my personal history?

I know where I've been and what I've seen. If you care to argue the actual points, then please do so.

You claim to have been everywhere.

I am saying you are full of sh!t. I'm calling you out.

:shocked: LOL!!! :shocked:
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..........

OK...now that I've stopped laughing at you...

Would you care to address the points I made, or will you persist on "calling me out" like some sort of internet clown?!

You are nothing but frontline infantry.
Stop acting like you are some special guy that the U.S sends all over the M.E.

You have never been to Syria. Everything you've said is a bunch of B.S.
When your imagination becomes reality then start posting again.

To win an argument you always say "I have been there". Yeah right.

you, my fact-averse friend, are wrong. Once again you have proven to everyone here that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about; so, when faced with facts that are difficult to argue, you immediately attack the poster.

Come on Aimster, address the following statements:

Extreme sunni Islam has taken root throughout many of the more remote areas of eastern Syria, contrary to anything Aimster might think or say.

As is the case in most Islamic nations, areas far from the centers of power tend to migrate toward various twisted forms of Sharia Law...

And, for the record, I have not been everywhere...

You haven't been to Syria.

Let me tell you why you are bullshit.

You've never been to Eastern Syria to witness what you claim you have witnessed
A) Anyone who travels to Syria would never step foot in the areas you described
B) You never entered Syria from Iraq on some special ops mission either, because if you did you would never post about it.

.. so do tell me what the hell were you doing in those parts of Syria?

You claim to have read every book and you claim to have been everywhere. The only place you have been is some mountain in Afghanistan and the only book you have read is how to clean and polish a gun written by the U.S army.

so yes.. I am saying your entire claim on Eastern Syria is bullshit. The only evidence you can provide is "I was there". Since you were never there, you posts are all B.S.

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: palehorse74
nice selective responses...

I particularly like the part where you accused America of somehow allowing adultery to become an immoral "necessity," and then you turn around and admit that Islamic Sharia Law allows its male followers to have four wives...

CLASSIC!

You're beyond hope TGB.. and, sadly, you're not alone. You are living proof that organized religion is the biggest and most dangerous threat to mankind.

Perhaps you should go to a real university to help you get rid of the ignorance that plagues you. You sound like someone trying to say: a=b therefore c=d. You still haven't replied to my queries on which "universities" you studied at and at what level you studied islamic law or any religion for that matter. But I guess atheism does bring with itself lying at will.

Don't insult atheism.. Atheism is NOT a cohesive set of ideas you know... every "atheist" thinks differently.. there is no atheist group... though it is easier to lump people together to attack them.

I am not atheist.

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: palehorse74
nice selective responses...

I particularly like the part where you accused America of somehow allowing adultery to become an immoral "necessity," and then you turn around and admit that Islamic Sharia Law allows its male followers to have four wives...

CLASSIC!

You're beyond hope TGB.. and, sadly, you're not alone. You are living proof that organized religion is the biggest and most dangerous threat to mankind.

Perhaps you should go to a real university to help you get rid of the ignorance that plagues you. You sound like someone trying to say: a=b therefore c=d. You still haven't replied to my queries on which "universities" you studied at and at what level you studied islamic law or any religion for that matter. But I guess atheism does bring with itself lying at will.

I'm not an Atheist. Try to keep up.

He asked you twice about your schooling and you ignored him twice.. try to keep up.

 

[kage69]

Sorry mister meanie my mommy didn't give me any lunch money for you to take from me today, but I will play nice and explain my original post which was never directed at you or expecting a response from you.

I'll take this to mean you're finally owning up to mouthing off about posts you didn't bother to read. Still, funny to see you backtrack like this after you've already stated "Aww personal insults, because you can't answer a simple question, but I expect nothing less from hecklers in the audience like yourself, but its ok it is quite scary to get on stage." "Never directed at me or expecting a response," huh?

God you're weak. Either grow a spine, or shut up. The very least you could do is read the damn posts before opening your pie hole. Grats on being a great example of why people avoid P&N.

I was asking, informing those in the US who decry Sharia and were blasting another member of the forums about it but didn't know or care that their government (USA) allowed its institution into Iraqi law.

Yes, I'm aware! And I asked you to explain how the hell that is relevant to what I asked GreenBean, or even to the rest of the conjecture on Sharia. Answer: it isn't! What our government chooses to do in Iraq in no way invalidates our stances on Sharia. ANY OF THIS SINKING IN YET??? I have a problem with literal interpretations of Sharia keeping women in the 15th century, and I certainly have a problem with the Bush admin allowing vestiges of it despite all their talk of freedom and democracy - these positions are not mutually exclusive, and this does not prove any point for you!

If you're still gonna play this game, get your mommy to try and explain it to you, as this concludes my final attempt.

Who ever said of a regime change?

You did. In fact, your words were

May the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia fall soon

Sweet fuggin tapdancin jeebus, getting you guys to connect your own dots in this thread is like pulling teeth!

 

[1prophet]

Originally posted by: kage69

Sorry mister meanie my mommy didn't give me any lunch money for you to take from me today, but I will play nice and explain my original post which was never directed at you or expecting a response from you.

I'll take this to mean you're finally owning up to mouthing off about posts you didn't bother to read. Still, funny to see you backtrack like this after you've already stated "Aww personal insults, because you can't answer a simple question, but I expect nothing less from hecklers in the audience like yourself, but its ok it is quite scary to get on stage." "Never directed at me or expecting a response," huh?

God you're weak. Either grow a spine, or shut up. The very least you could do is read the damn posts before opening your pie hole. Grats on being a great example of why people avoid P&N.

I was asking, informing those in the US who decry Sharia and were blasting another member of the forums about it but didn't know or care that their government (USA) allowed its institution into Iraqi law.

Yes, I'm aware! And I asked you to explain how the hell that is relevant to what I asked GreenBean, or even to the rest of the conjecture on Sharia. Answer: it isn't! What our government chooses to do in Iraq in no way invalidates our stances on Sharia. ANY OF THIS SINKING IN YET??? I have a problem with literal interpretations of Sharia keeping women in the 15th century, and I certainly have a problem with the Bush admin allowing vestiges of it despite all their talk of freedom and democracy - these positions are not mutually exclusive, and this does not prove any point for you!

If you're still gonna play this game, get your mommy to try and explain it to you, as this concludes my final attempt.

Aww, no time to create posts but you sure find time to belittle others like they are beneath you, but that is OK

I don't care what they say about you, I still think you are a swell kind of guy.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: kage69
Syria, really? Syrian women have it comparatively good compared to the some of the other countries you mentioned, and the widespread acceptance of alcohol there kinda differentiates their views from their neighbors. Should I ask what you saw?

Extreme sunni Islam has taken root throughout many of the more remote areas of eastern Syria, contrary to anything Aimster might think or say.

As is the case in most Islamic nations, areas far from the centers of power tend to migrate toward various twisted forms of Sharia Law...

You've never been to Syria.

Are you denying what I wrote, or merely trying to question my personal history?

I know where I've been and what I've seen. If you care to argue the actual points, then please do so.

You claim to have been everywhere.

I am saying you are full of sh!t. I'm calling you out.

:shocked: LOL!!! :shocked:
...

......

..........

OK...now that I've stopped laughing at you...

Would you care to address the points I made, or will you persist on "calling me out" like some sort of internet clown?!

You are nothing but frontline infantry.
Stop acting like you are some special guy that the U.S sends all over the M.E.

You have never been to Syria. Everything you've said is a bunch of B.S.
When your imagination becomes reality then start posting again.

To win an argument you always say "I have been there". Yeah right.

you, my fact-averse friend, are wrong. Once again you have proven to everyone here that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about; so, when faced with facts that are difficult to argue, you immediately attack the poster.

Come on Aimster, address the following statements:

Extreme sunni Islam has taken root throughout many of the more remote areas of eastern Syria, contrary to anything Aimster might think or say.

As is the case in most Islamic nations, areas far from the centers of power tend to migrate toward various twisted forms of Sharia Law...

And, for the record, I have not been everywhere...

You haven't been to Syria.

Let me tell you why you are bullshit.

You've never been to Eastern Syria to witness what you claim you have witnessed
A) Anyone who travels to Syria would never step foot in the areas you described
B) You never entered Syria from Iraq on some special ops mission either, because if you did you would never post about it.

.. so do tell me what the hell were you doing in those parts of Syria?

You claim to have read every book and you claim to have been everywhere. The only place you have been is some mountain in Afghanistan and the only book you have read is how to clean and polish a gun written by the U.S army.

so yes.. I am saying your entire claim on Eastern Syria is bullshit. The only evidence you can provide is "I was there". Since you were never there, you posts are all B.S.

LOL.. so very predictable.

I hereby accept your surrender on the actual issues.

GG.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: palehorse74
nice selective responses...

I particularly like the part where you accused America of somehow allowing adultery to become an immoral "necessity," and then you turn around and admit that Islamic Sharia Law allows its male followers to have four wives...

CLASSIC!

You're beyond hope TGB.. and, sadly, you're not alone. You are living proof that organized religion is the biggest and most dangerous threat to mankind.

Perhaps you should go to a real university to help you get rid of the ignorance that plagues you. You sound like someone trying to say: a=b therefore c=d. You still haven't replied to my queries on which "universities" you studied at and at what level you studied islamic law or any religion for that matter. But I guess atheism does bring with itself lying at will.

I'm not an Atheist. Try to keep up.

He asked you twice about your schooling and you ignored him twice.. try to keep up.

excuse me?! the personal details of my life that might help to narrow down my RL name are none of his business, or yours; not to mention irrelevant. All he needs to know is that I have in fact been to, and graduated from, several respected US Universities. I have also spent a decent amount of time throughout North Africa, the ME, and Central Asia, between 1994 and today.

That's as far into my RL bio as I am going to go. Take it however you wish. Hell, dismiss it as bullsh*t for all I care. It wouldn't make my opinions or the facts I cite any less honest.

He then called me an Atheist which is just wrong - I am a Deist.

So again, try to keep up, or butt the fvck out.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: Andyb23

The only thing the Islamic empires did was retain ancient ideas which were lost in Europe due to the dark ages.

I just popped in and was flipping through the thread quickly (very interesting exchange between 1prophet and palehorse)...

but WOW at revisionist history...riiiight - Muslims did nothing during history =-= Stuff like "Algebra" *cough* Al Jabr *cough* , the first university, the first research/grad univeristy, god knows what contributions to astronomy, chemistry, etc. etc. never happened.

Just because you were not taught it in your basic physics class in highschool doesn't mean it didn't happen. Even in our own culture we attribute many things to "western/european" scientists even if they were studied a lot earlier by others.

The funny part is you mention Greece, yet Greece's golden age wasn't really about synthesizing grand new ideas never thought of. It was really about putting a lot of different existing ideas together in a short period of time. This is what really made a difference - and even today, synthesizing new solutions from existing answers isn't an easy task. Hell - you have an entire field of consulting that is dedicated to solutions from existing ideas.

Credit must be given to where it is due. The past few hundred years owe a LOT to what a lot of western scientists were able to do. They had the lucky chance of focusing 100% on research and working through a lot of this - hell German scientists at the turn of the last century did an incredible amount of work in the field of mechanics.
That doesn't mean that they were the only ones that did anything - and they often build off the work of previous people.

Originally posted by: babylon5

Take away religion and you take away morals.

Totally disagree with this. Organized religion has nothing to do
with morals. They are about control, power.

Less religion, less religious problem.

Agreed - this idea that morals exist without religion is absolute bunk.

edit:

*Sigh* so sad how these things always get off topic. Any thread with the potential to bash Muslims always seems to take the greatest tangents that completely forget what the original thread is about

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: kage69
Syria, really? Syrian women have it comparatively good compared to the some of the other countries you mentioned, and the widespread acceptance of alcohol there kinda differentiates their views from their neighbors. Should I ask what you saw?

Extreme sunni Islam has taken root throughout many of the more remote areas of eastern Syria, contrary to anything Aimster might think or say.

As is the case in most Islamic nations, areas far from the centers of power tend to migrate toward various twisted forms of Sharia Law...

You've never been to Syria.

Are you denying what I wrote, or merely trying to question my personal history?

I know where I've been and what I've seen. If you care to argue the actual points, then please do so.

You claim to have been everywhere.

I am saying you are full of sh!t. I'm calling you out.

:shocked: LOL!!! :shocked:
...

......

..........

OK...now that I've stopped laughing at you...

Would you care to address the points I made, or will you persist on "calling me out" like some sort of internet clown?!

You are nothing but frontline infantry.
Stop acting like you are some special guy that the U.S sends all over the M.E.

You have never been to Syria. Everything you've said is a bunch of B.S.
When your imagination becomes reality then start posting again.

To win an argument you always say "I have been there". Yeah right.

you, my fact-averse friend, are wrong. Once again you have proven to everyone here that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about; so, when faced with facts that are difficult to argue, you immediately attack the poster.

Come on Aimster, address the following statements:

Extreme sunni Islam has taken root throughout many of the more remote areas of eastern Syria, contrary to anything Aimster might think or say.

As is the case in most Islamic nations, areas far from the centers of power tend to migrate toward various twisted forms of Sharia Law...

And, for the record, I have not been everywhere...

You haven't been to Syria.

Let me tell you why you are bullshit.

You've never been to Eastern Syria to witness what you claim you have witnessed
A) Anyone who travels to Syria would never step foot in the areas you described
B) You never entered Syria from Iraq on some special ops mission either, because if you did you would never post about it.

.. so do tell me what the hell were you doing in those parts of Syria?

You claim to have read every book and you claim to have been everywhere. The only place you have been is some mountain in Afghanistan and the only book you have read is how to clean and polish a gun written by the U.S army.

so yes.. I am saying your entire claim on Eastern Syria is bullshit. The only evidence you can provide is "I was there". Since you were never there, you posts are all B.S.

LOL.. so very predictable.

I hereby accept your surrender on the actual issues.

GG.

you think LOL is proof?

You claimed shit about Syria by saying "I was there".
So prove it.

Stop posting.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Aimster
you think LOL is proof?

You claimed shit about Syria by saying "I was there".
So prove it.

Stop posting.

Do you disagree with what I said about the eastern regions of Syria, or the tendency for Sharia Law to take hold in Islamic areas located father from central governments?

Discuss my points, not my character. Until you at least TRY to address them, as an adult, you won't be taken seriously by anyone here.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Aimster
you think LOL is proof?

You claimed shit about Syria by saying "I was there".
So prove it.

Stop posting.

Do you disagree with what I said about the eastern regions of Syria, or the tendency for Sharia Law to take hold in Islamic areas located father from central governments?

Discuss my points, not my character. Until you at least TRY to address them, as an adult, you won't be taken seriously by anyone here.

Yes I disagree

and the only way for you to prove you are right is to prove you were in Syria in those parts since you claim to have been.

You spit out bullshit to prove points. Just admit it. You lied.

The hell is a farm boy like you doing in a village in Syria with no electricity? Is that how you spend your vacations? I am going to be nice and assume you have more class than that.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Aimster
you think LOL is proof?

You claimed shit about Syria by saying "I was there".
So prove it.

Stop posting.

Do you disagree with what I said about the eastern regions of Syria, or the tendency for Sharia Law to take hold in Islamic areas located father from central governments?

Discuss my points, not my character. Until you at least TRY to address them, as an adult, you won't be taken seriously by anyone here.

Yes I disagree

and the only way for you to prove you are right is to prove you were in Syria in those parts since you claim to have been.

You spit out bullshit to prove points. Just admit it. You lied.

The hell is a farm boy like you doing in a village in Syria with no electricity? Is that how you spend your vacations? I am going to be nice and assume you have more class than that.

I did not lie, and you are still wrong about eastern Syria. It's a fvcking mess out there, and has been for a very long time.

I'm a product of the suburbs and the beach btw.

 

[The Green Bean]

Who ever said of a regime change?

You did. In fact, your words were

May the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia fall soon

Sweet fuggin tapdancin jeebus, getting you guys to connect your own dots in this thread is like pulling teeth!

[/quote]

Oh. My apologies. I thought we were asking about Pakistan. I wanting a regime change in Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia is the exact same as you wanting one in Iraq, Iran and Pakistan. Both countries have their own problems. It is impossible to have a country that is absolutely 100% perfect. What I have and what I want from others has no relation when I'm not directly in control of either.