9 series chipset and the mentioning of Broadwell LGA support.

[PPB]

Then the guys at Asrock are real geniuses at making a board that not only supports both sockets, but also on the P67 chipset, proving the new features were socket-agnostic, at best.

I dont feel you are in a position to "educate" anybody :awe:

 

[mikk]

It's 1 chip on package.

It's 1 chip on package but a 2 chip solution. 1 chip solution from Intel refer to ULV/ULX models with PCH integrated into one package.

Then the guys at Asrock are real geniuses at making a board that not only supports both sockets, but also on the P67 chipset, proving the new features were socket-agnostic, at best.

I dont feel you are in a position to "educate" anybody :awe:

P67 that supports Haswell? You clearly missed something.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Then the guys at Asrock are real geniuses at making a board that not only supports both sockets, but also on the P67 chipset, proving the new features were socket-agnostic, at best.

I dont feel you are in a position to "educate" anybody :awe:

The Asrock P67 Transformer doesnt support both sockets. It only supports LGA1156.

http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/P67%20Transformer/

You are too busy trying to troll the thread instead of getting facts right.

And why didnt AMD keep FM1 going? Obviously they misused their monopoly to change sockets to FM2.

Or AMD like Intel know what they are doing. And wont hold back innovation for some nostagic socket compability.

 

[Homeles]

It's 1 chip on package but a 2 chip solution. 1 chip solution from Intel refer to ULV/ULX models with PCH integrated into one package.

I'd really appreciate it if people would read my original post before pretending that they know something that I don't.

P67 that supports Haswell? You clearly missed something.

He's talking about 1156.

 

[Homeles]

Then the guys at Asrock are real geniuses at making a board that not only supports both sockets, but also on the P67 chipset, proving the new features were socket-agnostic, at best.

I dont feel you are in a position to "educate" anybody :awe:

* Due to chipset limitation, the ASRock P67 Transformer does not support Intel® Clarkdale processor in LGA 1156 package.

Oops. Somebody didn't do their homework. Again.

Also, please explain how LGA 1556 can support DMI 2.0. I'm dying to hear your response.

 

[Idontcare]

So does this mean we are going to see Broadwell LGA in 2014?

Why are Intel even releasing Haswell Refresh AND Broadwell? Why could they not just release Broadwell LGA when it is ready? How much of a time gap will be there between two product launches?

As a potential consumer this is very confusing.

I honestly have no clue either.

Both AMD and Intel have royally screwed the transparency and clarity pooch on their 2014 and 2015 roadmaps.

Which from my personal position is just as well, as it makes it all the easier to simply decide neither will be getting my upgrade dollars for the next two years.

Instead I think the next upgrade cycle for me will be in the LCD and video card dept. (got my eye on some nice 2560x1440 LCDs)

 

[mikk]

I think it is obvious. For consumer we only get Haswell refresh CPUs on a Series 9 refresh platform. The Roadmaps are pretty clear about this. I mentioned some weeks ago that in the graphics driver there are workstation and server models listed for Broadwell and not for desktop. The good thing is Xeon E3 aren't pricier than consumer versions. It could be an interesting CPU for people who don't care about overclocking. I would prefer Broadwell over Haswell next year even if it is a Xeon E3.

 

[mikk]

http://chinese.vr-zone.com/87345/in...pset-z97-for-desktop-at-end-of-2014-10192013/


So we will see Broadwell-K for consumers late in 2014 it seems.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Interesting, so now Broadwell K series and E3 Broadwell Xeons for LGA1150.

 

[dangerman1337]

Wait so they're going to have a Haswell Refresh for consumer desktop and then shortly afterwards Broadwell gets released? Unless the K means something special I wonder why Intel just do Broadwell, I seriously doubt there would be much demand for broadwell desktop that would cause noticeable supply strain.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Wait so they're going to have a Haswell Refresh for consumer desktop and then shortly afterwards Broadwell gets released? Unless the K means something special I wonder why Intel just do Broadwell, I seriously doubt there would be much demand for broadwell desktop that would cause noticeable supply strain.

No, Broadwell-K aka unlocked CPUs and Xeon E3 is the only Broadwells for LGA1150. Else it goes directly from Haswell to Skylake.

 

[mikk]

Probably just two or three K-models. There is no big launch, maybe because of limited 14nm resources. But even two K-models are interesting. Official consumer LGA Broadwell is coming after all the BGA talk.

 

[inf64]

http://chinese.vr-zone.com/87345/in...pset-z97-for-desktop-at-end-of-2014-10192013/


So we will see Broadwell-K for consumers late in 2014 it seems.

Ok so Q4? for this Broadwell-K part and then what, consumer Skylake parts happen in Q2 or Q3 2015? Looks like a very short market life for Broadwell-K (unless Skylake is very late 2015 meaning it comes ~1 year after this new Broadwell-K series).

 

[Samastrike]

K-series only launch on desktop does make sense. If 14nm capacity will be tied up then they might as well release a few new products to the market that wants them instead of a complete lineup.

 

[Pheesh]

Now I understand why a monopoly situation would promote innovation. You use that word as a replacement for moneygrab.


Yep, Intel on a monopoly would have a lot more of those "innovations", my friend, no doubt about it :awe:

Money grab how? Intel wouldn't do this with their sockets if it didn't lead to some optimization or improvement. Remember they sell CPU's, not motherboards. The fact that you would be MORE likely to buy a new CPU to drop into your existing motherboard if it was compatible than you would be to buy a whole new platform should put to rest that conspiracy theory.

 

[Sweepr]

Non-K Haswell will be replaced by Haswell Refresh and Haswell-K will be replaced by Haswell Refresh and Broadwell-K. I dont think a few Broadwell-K models will affect the launch date of the desktop Skylake lineup at all, seems like Intel agrees...

According to Intel, the delay of Broadwell will not affect the company's next line of processors, Skylake, as the chips are based on new architecture.

http://www.macrumors.com/2013/10/16...l-chips-until-2014-due-to-manufacturing-issue

 

[Abwx]

The most obvious info is that they are extending their current
node life cycle.

22nm is already two years old and it will be sustained for at least
a full other year if not more.

 

[inf64]

But did intel say what is the actual schedule for Skylake?

 

[mikk]

There is only one Roadmap leaked with Skylake on it where it says H1 2015.

 

[jpiniero]

Wonder if this slide was created before or after the delay.

Probably just two or three K-models. There is no big launch, maybe because of limited 14nm resources. But even two K-models are interesting. Official consumer LGA Broadwell is coming after all the BGA talk.

I think they changed their mind. What would really be trollish if Intel ends up releasing both Haswell Refresh-K and Broadwell-K models, acknowledging that Broadwell-K can't hit as high of clocks as HR-K.

There is only one Roadmap leaked with Skylake on it where it says H1 2015.

That's probably when they start shipping out processors to OEMs. You won't be able to buy Skylake until the end of 2015.

 

[mikk]

That's probably when they start shipping out processors to OEMs. You won't be able to buy Skylake until the end of 2015.

It's the launch timeframe not shipping.

 

[inf64]

It's the launch timeframe not shipping.

So it is logical to you that Broadwell will launch in late 2014 and then just a quarter or two after that intel will "launch" Skylake? Doesn't jive at all, sorry.

 

[mikk]

So it is logical to you that Broadwell will launch in late 2014 and then just a quarter or two after that intel will "launch" Skylake? Doesn't jive at all, sorry.

I don't think two K-models have an impact to Skylake's timeframe. The whole business line and all lower Mainstream parts for desktop won't get Broadwell but Haswell refresh. If Skylake is ready let's say around Computex I'm sure they will launch it.

 

[Brahmzy]

Bring on the 1150 5770Ks....

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

So the mainstream/consumer Haswell Refresh will also be on socket 1150??