9 dead after Plano, TX mass shooting.

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Circle jerk thread confirmed.

Presence of triggered Gun fetishist confirmed....


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[Puffnstuff]

This thread has gone off the rails and isn't even close to the matter at hand. A jealous and distraught ex-husband killed his ex-wife and her friends which is super sad. Just think how bad it would be if children were involved like with the young mother murdered before Harvey made landfall?

 

[pmv]

What those shootings have in common? Losers with mental issues/problems along with anger management problems against their spouses/partners/family members -.

100% of shootings involve guns. Yeah, let's not blame guns when shootings are involved. It's clearly the fault of knives!

I think you're both right, to be honest. Guns very clearly make such events more deadly. But there's also something wrong with the culture that produces these people in the first place. And domestic violence in particular is a very common theme. And too often it seems the guys involved have a record of domestic violence that was never legally dealt with.

 

[zinfamous]

We don't know what they are planning. I agree with you on that part. I am not particularly attached to the invasion, definitely not a fantasy. I just am curious about their end-game. It may just be a mining operation of sorts, not really sure what they are going to get but they will keep digging anyways.



Russia is escalating it and causing levels of hysteria the USA has never seen before.

On this, I agree. But we've definitely seen this hysteria before. It seems to happen every 70 or 80 years. I think the last major anti-immigration, racial riot period was in the aughts and the late 30s, when Charles Lindburgh was chamioning the first American Nazi, "America First!" movement.

 

[zinfamous]

I think you're both right, to be honest. Guns very clearly make such events more deadly. But there's also something wrong with the culture that produces these people in the first place. And domestic violence in particular is a very common theme. And too often it seems the guys involved have a record of domestic violence that was never legally dealt with.

Stop making this complicated issue as complicated as it is!

 

[Victorian Gray]

Does not really explain the astroturfing efforts to promote divisive idealogy on social media outlets. Do they for some reason fear a white-dominated America more than a multicultural America? I can see some merits in that line of thinking considering most of Russia (at least the political power) is Caucasian and prone to racism.

It's about stirring shit up. It really is that simple. They're doing it all over Europe (and even a couple of swipes against Canada) as well.

 

[Jhhnn]

ah yes. the russians are the ones that caused our racial and sexual and political divisions. It's like we were this socialist utopia before Russia's targeted fake-news campaign made us all want to kill each other for reasons.

The Russians just threw fuel on the fire that our own right wing has been feeding for decades. There was a time when Russian propaganda & our own was oppositional but the ideologies of their oligarchy & our own right wing are now largely congruent.

 

[Muse]

Can't help noticing that it's said that the killer engaged in domestic violence. Seems to be a trait that crops up with repeatedly with many of the Islamist variety of spree-killers as well.

I keep thinking they are, at some level, all the same kind of people, whatever ideological dress-up games they play.

"Murder is murder by any name"

Killers -- Ice T

A man took an ad on T.V
To enroll in the police academy
He's very talented, outstanding proof
From his clean-cut apperance to the shine on his boots
When it comes to graduation, he's number one
An expert with a rifle and also a gun
Three weeks on the beat and his weak nerves crack
And fires four warning shots into a kid's back

Killers! These are the killers
Killers! The coldhearted killers
Killers! Bloodthirsty killers
Killers! Beware of the killers

A young girl marries an older man
With more money than you can understand
He smothers her with pearls and jewelry
And they both seemed as happy as they could be
But three months later, she's sad but content
Seems he had an unexpected accident
The girl said he would be hard to forget
As the papers interviewed her while she flew his jet

Killers! These are the killers
Killers! She was the killer
Killers! The coldhearted killers
Killers! Beware of the killers

It's time for all to work together for peace
Cause everybody's doomed if the killings don't cease
Street homicide, war, it's all the same
Cause murder is murder by any name

An young man loses his only job
Too proud to hustle, too honest to rob
He goes to tell his family and his wife
But an argument breaks out, she grabs a knife
Tempers escalate to a total rage
Shots burst out from a loaded twelve-gauge
They call it mass murder, suicide
But somebody tell me why the kids had to die

Killers! these are the killers
Killers! the coldhearted killers
Killers! bloodthirsty killers
Killers! beware of the killers

Vietnam vet, home from the war
Can't get a job in a candy store
Unemployment hurts and he's living proof
So to take out his frustration, he climbs on the roof
He shows no pity as victims are shot
The only thing to stop him are the bullets from SWAT
Ten people died on a sunny day
But tell me who taught him how to shoot that way?

Killers! These are the killers
Killers! You know the killers
Killers! Beware of the killers
Killers! Are you a killer?

It's time for all to work together for peace
Cause everybody's doomed if the killings don't cease
Street homicide, war, it's all the same
Cause murder is murder by any name

A known criminal is sentenced to death
Now the legal system controls his last breath
He tries to fight execution with petitions and pleas
And a pardon from the governor is all he needs
He cries out for mercy but nothing's spared
And on his day of termination, he's strapped in a chair
High voltage fills his body in a house-like jail
And all of the people of vengeance grail

Are you a killer? a cold-hearted killer
A killer! a bloodthirsty killer
A killer! a merciless killer
A killer! a killer! A killer!

Georgie-Porgie-Pudding-and-pie
Couldn't get a girl, let me tell you all why
He tried to be down like all the rest
Had grills in his hair, gold on his chest
He rolled around town in a Coup-de-ville
But he had no money, he was broke as hell
Ladies love money and he needed more
So he tried to steal something out a liquor store
But before Georgie-Porgie could get away
The man pulled out his gun and blew him away

He was a killer! A coldhearted killer
A killer! Are you a killer?
A killer! A merciless killer
A killer! Beware of the killers

It's time for all to work together for peace
Cause everybody's doomed if the killings don't cease
Street homicide, war, it's all the same
Cause murder is murder by any name

Politicians plot for power each and every day
We are all just puppets in the games they play
They manipulate the message to attain their goals
And for simple re-election they will sell their souls
Nuclear supremacy is the ultimate thrill
So our tax we pay is paid for overkill
B-1 bombers, ..................... up to the skies
While we all pray to God the missiles never fly

Killers! These are the killers
Killers! They are the killers
Killers! Are you a killer?
Killers! Don't be a killer

It's time for all to work together for peace
Cause everybody's doomed if the killings don't cease
Street homicide, war, it's all the same
Cause murder is murder by any name

 

[Paladin3]

You're arguing against a straw man here. We're not saying take away all guns. We're saying that the claim that gun ownership dramatically reduces and mitigates violent crime is a myth...

I complete agree. I believe that with a little training the average person can own and carry a firearm responsibly, but so many folks cannot and shouldn't have guns. They are allowed to by our constitution because they have yet to commit a violent crime, so we roll the dice on each gun owner and occasionally roll snake-eyes and get a shooting.

Even if you are the most responsible gun owner you still need to weigh the likelihood of you needing the firearm for self defense against the possibility of a fatal accident occurring. Most who carry never do, instead standing on their right to carry and never considering the responsibility associated. Sadly, this is a trait most Americans share in their thinking regarding rights vs responsibilities.

To further this discussion we need to consider what step we could take to better regulate guns in our country. Pure prohibition is impossible. Plus, gun laws don't stop someone intent on murder. So, we need to do the hard part and figure out a solution and not turn this into a political debate.

I'm a gun owner and occasional concealed carrier, but so far I can't come up with a solution other than 1) complete confiscation of all guns, which would pretty much start a civil war, and 2) a cultural change where we embrace our responsibilities to family, community and society more than our brute nature to solve problems with violence. And even if we do a better job of teaching responsibilities, there will always be some who deviate from that moral and will choose to kill anyway.

Also working against solution #2 is that the USA was founded on the idea that freedom is the essential right of every (white, land owning) citizen. Too many people take that to a ridiculous extreme and feel emboldened to do anything they want and have no responsibility to comply with the law. I think this is what gets us in trouble more often than not regarding shootings.

 

[Paladin3]

I think you're both right, to be honest. Guns very clearly make such events more deadly. But there's also something wrong with the culture that produces these people in the first place. And domestic violence in particular is a very common theme. And too often it seems the guys involved have a record of domestic violence that was never legally dealt with.

If I could have liked this post twice I would have.

Too often we go easy on first time offenders because we don't want to "ruin their lives." All is does is teach them that there are no real negative consequences for their unlawful actions, which often emboldens them to commit further and more serious crimes.

Better we discipline a child than have to execute an adult.

 

[Svnla]

Background story, much more than just because of them guns -

A friend of Spencer's, who briefly dated him and asked to remain anonymous because of her fear of social media attacks, described a free-spirited guy who loved dogs, art and the Renaissance. He was "head over heels" for Meredith during the first years of their marriage.

But he also was a "party animal" who drank a lot and had a short temper, she said. And he had guns and a love for knives and swords.

Lane said Spencer lost his job doing contract work for Texas Instruments around the time that he and Meredith bought the Plano house in 2015. Meredith, who worked for Coca-Cola Southwest Beverages in Fort Worth, was shouldering the mortgage by herself and gave Spencer time to get his act together, her mother said.

"She took her marriage vows very seriously," Lane said.

Spencer told his friend that Meredith was understanding at first but then hounded him for not contributing.

Meredith filed for divorce in July. It was then that she told her parents that Spencer had been violent at least twice — including a time last fall when he slammed her face against a wall. But Lane said her daughter hadn't reported the incidents to police.

A few days before the shooting, Spencer and his friend messaged each other online. He seemed sad and lonely, she remembers. She told him to make good choices and not to drink or turn to drugs.

Now, one line keeps running through her head.

It's a question, she said, that Spencer kept repeating: "How can the one person you're supposed to love more than life itself end up being the one person you hate more than life itself?"

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/cri...ice-release-names-victims-mass-shooting-party

Of course, it is because of those evil guns, right guys? (eyes rolling)

Nothing about anger issue (the bastard even shot one of his best men at his wedding), love turn into hate, desperation, violence, short temper, excessive drinking, etc., eh?

 

[fskimospy]

Background story, much more than just because of them guns -

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/cri...ice-release-names-victims-mass-shooting-party

Of course, it is because of those evil guns, right guys? (eyes rolling)

Nothing about anger issue, love turn into hate, desperation, violence, short temper, excessive drinking, etc., eh?

Glad to see you've finally realized the obvious. All of those things are bad, but are usually not lethal without guns. Guns make a bad situation worse, which is why the evidence shows they tend to increase their owner's risk of death.

 

[brycejones]

Background story, much more than just because of them guns -



https://www.dallasnews.com/news/cri...ice-release-names-victims-mass-shooting-party

Of course, it is because of those evil guns, right guys? (eyes rolling)

Nothing about anger issue (the bastard even shot one of his best men at his wedding), love turn into hate, desperation, violence, short temper, excessive drinking, etc., eh?

whoosh

 

[pmv]

Background story, much more than just because of them guns -



https://www.dallasnews.com/news/cri...ice-release-names-victims-mass-shooting-party

Of course, it is because of those evil guns, right guys? (eyes rolling)

Nothing about anger issue (the bastard even shot one of his best men at his wedding), love turn into hate, desperation, violence, short temper, excessive drinking, etc., eh?

But none of that reduces the role of firearms. They make angry violent people far more deadly. They hugely increase the bodycount of almost any incident.

Personally, I don't really see how the problem can be fixed as long as so many Americans _want_ guns. Just banning them might indeed fulfil that pro-gun slogan of 'if guns are outlawed only the outlaws will have guns'. It does seem to me that in a society already awash with firearms, that slogan might have some truth to it.

The main reason why I am glad gun laws are so tight here (and I wish they were stronger still) is that legal restrictions on guns help prevent the growth of a gun lobby, and the creation of a situation where people get attached to the idea of having them. Gun laws work (more-or-less) here because few people particularly want guns anyway.

Somehow the power and size of the US gun lobby needs to be incrementally reduced.

The other point is, it seems to me there's a noticeable overlap in the people who most fervently defend gun rights with those who endorse the patriarchal attitudes that contribute to domestic violence.

 

[momeNt]

The other point is, it seems to me there's a noticeable overlap in the people who most fervently defend gun rights with those who endorse the patriarchal attitudes that contribute to domestic violence.

That's funny. I have experienced the exact opposite.

Just so I am clear, what is an example of a patriarchal attitude that contributes to domestic violence.

Is supporting gun ownership for women a patriarchy? Because women can't protect themselves without a gun, or something like that, or is it more matriarchal, like equal rights sort of thing?

 

[greatnoob]

That's funny. I have experienced the exact opposite.

Just so I am clear, what is an example of a patriarchal attitude that contributes to domestic violence.

Is supporting gun ownership for women a patriarchy? Because women can't protect themselves without a gun, or something like that, or is it more matriarchal, like equal rights sort of thing?

Can somebody translate this?

 

[brycejones]

Can somebody translate this?

Only someone educated in the ways of gamergate can translate that. But he should have used a few more references to virtue signalling to really nail it.

 

[momeNt]

Only someone educated in the ways of gamergate can translate that. But he should have used a few more references to virtue signalling to really nail it.

Do you support pmv's views on gun rights = patriarchal views that contribute to domestic violence?

What is a patriarchal view that contributes to domestic violence anyways?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Do you support pmv's views on gun rights = patriarchal views that contribute to domestic violence?

What is a patriarchal view that contributes to domestic violence anyways?

With or without a gun, is a woman more likely to defend herself from another woman, or a man?

 

[brycejones]

Do you support pmv's views on gun rights = patriarchal views that contribute to domestic violence?

What is a patriarchal view that contributes to domestic violence anyways?

No, but I'm not exactly sure WTF you are trying to say either. Maybe try again?

 

[zinfamous]

Background story, much more than just because of them guns -



https://www.dallasnews.com/news/cri...ice-release-names-victims-mass-shooting-party

Of course, it is because of those evil guns, right guys? (eyes rolling)

Nothing about anger issue (the bastard even shot one of his best men at his wedding), love turn into hate, desperation, violence, short temper, excessive drinking, etc., eh?

yep, would have knifed them all to death, instead. I'm sure that would have worked as effectively as a gun!

lol, you conservative dipshits absolutely refuse to see the actual argument for what it is. lol. so predictable. so ignorant. so willful.

 

[zinfamous]

That's funny. I have experienced the exact opposite.

Just so I am clear, what is an example of a patriarchal attitude that contributes to domestic violence.

Is supporting gun ownership for women a patriarchy? Because women can't protect themselves without a gun, or something like that, or is it more matriarchal, like equal rights sort of thing?

I think you can draw a rather tight Venn diagram with gamer gaters misogynists and gun nutters. It would be like, one circle.

 

[Svnla]

Let see, should we listen to the sheriff or ATPN ladies that love to blame everything under the sun on those "scary" black guns? The sheriff said something about him and his friends had guns when they were kids but somehow, none of those guns were able to get inside the school and shot anyone by themselves. Hummmmm...why was that?

"You started glorifying cultures of violence -- you’ve glorified the gang culture, you’ve glorified games that actually give you points for raping and killing people. Gun didn’t change. We changed.”

https://www.facebook.com/nbcnightlynews/videos/10155875993533689/

Keep whining and bitching, ladies. 😀 Gotta love those foam on those nagging mouths. LOL.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Yea I don't see a point in arguing about weapons when it is basically proven that violence is a socio-economic issue in the aggregate and if you want to get anecdotal yes there are crazy people in the world.

I am here for the bigger issues not the low hanging fruit.

As for your Red Dawn argument. Please let the US armed forces and middle eastern terrorists know that. Seeing us toil there for the last 16 years against cavedwellers is starting to feel depressing when I am being told I have no chance to raise a resistance force against unfriendlies setting foot in my country. What gives?

You do realize that without the US arming them with anti-aircraft and anti-tank missiles, that the Taliban was getting its ass kicked/slaughtered by the USSR in Afghansitan, right? It wasn't until we gave them weapons capable of taking down their attack choppers and tanks that they were able to actually stagnant the Russians. We also helped teach them to make improvised explosives, which, well see how that worked out for us. And comparatively, the casualties that we suffered in Iraq and Afghanistan, compared to what we inflicted, is so heavily in our favor that your argument is just plain silly. The weaponry that average US citizens have would not repel a serious invasion. Fact is, this belief that well-armed civilians discouraged a USSR invasion is stupid (also, that BS quote started as being allegedly said by Yamamoto of Japan with regards to Japan invading the US). It didn't make sense because the Soviet Union did not have any way of actually carrying out such an invasion. They did not have a sizeable enough force, and didn't have a good way of getting troops over here. Their only option for an invasion would have included a pre-emptive nuclear strike which would have just triggered all out nuclear response.

And the difference between the US and Russia is at some of the widest it has been. Our military dwarfs theirs in every area but nukes. Our population is over double of theirs, and that's before our allies got involved. And China almost certainly would not take part as they'd have everything to lose and nothing to really gain, especially compared to waiting out such a fight and then working with the victor (or letting the US and Russia nuke each other out of existence and then China could basically do whatever the hell they wanted).

Modern weaponry is even more against the random armed civilian too. Drones, guided missiles and bombs, chemical and biological warfare. Have fun shooting that shit with your guns.

We don't know what they are planning. I agree with you on that part. I am not particularly attached to the invasion, definitely not a fantasy. I just am curious about their end-game. It may just be a mining operation of sorts, not really sure what they are going to get but they will keep digging anyways.



Russia is escalating it and causing levels of hysteria the USA has never seen before.

You've got to be young. Never seen before? You really need to learn your history. Even with the state of things now Russia was doing shit like this all the time during the Cold War. Seriously, most of the conspiracy theories that the braindead extreme right basically subsist on these days were either straight up created or fomented by the KGB. They were the primary pushers of JFK conspiracy theories, and I think the Roswell/alien nonsense as well (this isn't speculation either, after the Soviet Union fell, a lot of the Cold War tactics was released in official documents and they took particular pride in their ability to spread chaos by seeding and pushing conspiracy theories). They pushed a ton of other ones (that the US government created AIDS, which worked well because of the tonedeaf, ignorant, even outright malicious response to AIDS that the Reagan administration had). They know it works which is why they do it. Fuck, look at what that lying piece of shit McCarthy did in the 50s. Almost every decade in the 20th Century had as much if not more hysteria in the US. Granted plenty of it was directed elsewhere, but that tended to hurt us more than help. With the major exception of WW2, which effectively because of our geological position, that makes it difficult to be invaded by anyone as current world geopolitics is concerned, we came out far ahead by ending up relatively unscathed while we helped project and take part in massive destruction on a scale not seen before elsewhere, effectively setting the rest of the world back, while we were sitting in an excellent position to provide for the rest of the world (which made us the economic superpower that gave us the actual world dominance that we had for about 50 years there).

Since liberals are so smart, I wonder what laws they are going to pass to fix this....

Or maybe they think that criminals will just hand over all of their guns to the government for the greater good??

Damn, I was hoping you were gonna trot out the "if you make owning a gun criminal, only criminals will have guns!" dumbass fucking phrase. (No way! Really, if you make something illegal, then people partaking would then be committing a crime? Who knew?!? And holy shit, do I ever see gun nuts regularly spouting nonsense like that with such frequency that I realize how truly stupid and lacking in logic these people are. I had a friend that after some shooting posted "I love the smell of liberal butthurt in the morning" meme, and I had to ask, since I know he loves Happy Gilmore and often quoted the "you eat pieces of shit for breakfast?" line if he did indeed like smelling liberals assholes in the morning because he clearly didn't use even basic though in parroting such a moronic phrasing.)

Literally just about any law, up to and including a ban for very specific crazy assholes (say, I don't know, maybe like people on terrorist watch lists?) would improve the situation. Somehow lots of other countries have found ways to limit gun access which has substantially curbed all manner of gun violence. Absolutely America is unique in that we're basically the world leader on arm sales and gun buying. But that's kind the point, if a (thankfully shrinking portion of) America wasn't so goddamned obsessed over this shit, maybe we wouldn't be having so much problems related to it? And the fact is, that gun industry groups have helped push insanity over guns in order to line their pockets, at the expense of American lives. To say nothing of the things they've enabled elsewhere (which have a funny way of blowing back on us; who knew that helping foster instability around the world would lead to shit like genocide? that arming revolutionaries might help give rise to drug gangs that get a presence in America?).

The thing is, by gun nuts being so adamant about not having any gun registration program, and trying to remove all accountability for gun sales, they are actually deliberately enabling guns ending up in criminals hands. I guarantee you that if we had a registry and people that "lost" guns were held accountable for crimes committed using such guns (unless they notified authorities), that we'd see people actually taking care of their shit and not letting random people have access, and it would cut down on plenty of violence. And before you respond that "the person in this mass shooting bought their guns legally", I never said that would take care of all violence. It would be a step in doing something about the rampant amount of excessive firearms that are passed around with no oversight.

As for the empty "we need to do something about mental illness" bullshit diversion that Republicans and gun nuts keep trotting out (whilst offering even less than their lack of alternative to the ACA). Well maybe if you fucking shitheads hadn't deliberately fucked up mental health support in the first place (yet another of Reagan and Republican legacies that continues to fuck people over decades later), instead leaving the mentally ill to fend for themselves (or often taking their families down with them). Maybe if you idiots weren't constantly supporting things that actually lead to both more mentally ill people and more and worse criminals. Maybe if you didn't keep propping up that the solution for paranoia as being guns. And, yes, the Democrats have had a hand in plenty of that shit. But at least they've recognized it and have said they fucked up by doing so. Republicans are doubling and tripling and quadrupling down on the shit that fosters this stuff (prohibition, then trying to incarcerate drug related things, trying to dismiss if not outright antagonize mental health field and science in general, helping prop up bullshit obviously fake lies/news and insane conspiracy minded nutjobs).

And the biggest danger to owning a gun is to yourself. Suicides account for most of the gun related deaths. And every single gun nut that I've known pushes this "tough guy" mantra, where you're expected to suck it up and not let people know about your suffering, not show, let alone admit to any weakness. Unless you're wronged, then you're perfectly in your right to just shoot your way out of your problems. So instead we get lovely murder suicides with far too much regularity. Which, sure those could (and would) still happen without guns, but again, guns make carrying out deadly violence far easier. But perhaps the suicide rates can explain how gun ownership as percentage of adults/homes is falling (while gun nuts are taking to buying more and more guns, so they're slowly killing themselves off, thanks in no part to the paranoia fostered by the NRA and gun manufacturers which causes them to load up on guns before they do).

I think you're both right, to be honest. Guns very clearly make such events more deadly. But there's also something wrong with the culture that produces these people in the first place. And domestic violence in particular is a very common theme. And too often it seems the guys involved have a record of domestic violence that was never legally dealt with.

Yep. Unfortunately, we've insisted on ignoring domestic violence (for the person asking about how patriarchal society fueled gun murders, that's where, and sorry but women are still drastically far more likely to be killed by a significant other with a gun than a gun saving them from such) until we basically can't. But hey, Topeka's cops aren't even going to respond to domestic violence calls because they can't get the victims to actually press charges, so fuck 'em I guess, just call if someone actually gets killed.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Let see, should we listen to the sheriff or ATPN ladies that love to blame everything under the sun on those "scary" black guns? The sheriff said something about him and his friends had guns when they were kids but somehow, none of those guns were able to get inside the school and shot anyone by themselves. Hummmmm...why was that?



https://www.facebook.com/nbcnightlynews/videos/10155875993533689/

Keep whining and bitching, ladies. 😀 Gotta love those foam on those nagging mouths. LOL.

Freudian slip?

Yet, somehow some kids do manage to slip guns in schools and shoot people with them. How does that work if after all gun owners are such outstanding amazing citizens that would never use them to harm people? OH fuck, that's right its the video games, and violent movies and the rap music. Somehow its all that stuff fetishizing guns and gun violence, and not the NRA and gun nuts doing the exact same thing (just I guess the NRA means it, for them its real, which somehow makes it less meaningful than entertainment/art)? Yep, that's why we need to stamp out violent games, movies, music, but let the NRA bleat constantly about how you, your wife, daughter, babies, puppies/kittens, slaves (Hey, I'm a gun nut, and I'm super duper not racist, but can we have a frank discussion about how black people were better off when they were slaves? Because, just like I feel compelled to stroke my guns like its my dick, I also feel compelled to offer up advice on how we can deal with that whole racism problem. I mean, clearly everyone was much happier with the whole white people owning black people as slaves situation. After all, then it'd give white people a reason to care about black people, right?) and anything you've ever cared about is going to get raped and murdered by a bunch of "scary" free black people (and by that, I mean burglars/thieves/rapists/murderers dressed all in black, its super totally not about race at all, nevermind that the NRA and the politicians that devolved into modern Republicans actually kicked off gun legislation as means to keep black people from getting guns to try and do something about them being randomly lynched and otherwise killed for no other reason than being black and "scary").

I mean, shit, somehow people haven't slipped nukes into schools and theaters and shot people with them. Hummmmm....why was that? People have lots of access to cars and somehow they don't nearly as often slip one of those inside a school and murder dozens of people. Hummmmmmmmmmmmmm, why is that? They let kids have forks and even knives at lunch, and somehow we haven't ended up in a dystopian knife based Mad Max-esque thunderdome school system. Hummmmmmmmmmmmm...why was that? Derp derp, they ban bombs and hijacking planes but that doesn't stop people from using those to kill people, so obviously gun regulations wouldn't ever do anything. Derp derp derp. It totally has nothing to do with gun nuts and the NRA fetishizing guns, but everything to do with like the rest of culture doing that but simultaneously also somehow not? Because we're gun nuts/the NRA, and we think its totally logical to blame others for doing what we do in marketing, and then turn around and claim those same people are also totally against us for not fetishizing guns like we do.

I don't know, seems to me like maybe if he wants to do something about culture glorifying violence he might raise the issue of the shit the NRA and gun nuts regularly spew? So, maybe, he should start by saying that companies marketing weapons whose only purpose is to be an instrument to kill doing exactly what he's complaining about, maybe they should stop doing that? Crazy, right? Nah, let's divert blame by blaming anything and everything else instead.