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9 dead, 9 wounded, shooter killed at Oregon community college

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Blackjack200 said:
I think the idea is that if you can pass gun laws that reduce mass shootings, that will encourage people to make additional policy changes to reduce violence in the urban ghettos. It's sort of a proof-of-concept.
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So the idea is to pass more feel good laws on the basis of statistical anomalies, then worry about the majority of deaths later because if you actually fix the problems then people might lose their appetite for depriving others of their rights.

LegendKiller said:
People are trolling the fuck out of this.

https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://myspace.com/344765151

https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://spiritualpassions.com/seeme/ironcross45.html
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With respect, that just means they're archiving it in case edits are made in the future. Also, I have another one for you.

https://archive.is/qly16 (The August 31st post is... interesting)
 
Knowing said:
So the idea is to pass more feel good laws on the basis of statistical anomalies, then worry about the majority of deaths later because if you actually fix the problems then people might lose their appetite for depriving others of their rights.



With respect, that just means they're archiving it in case edits are made in the future. Also, I have another one for you.

https://archive.is/qly16 (The August 31st post is... interesting)
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Clear proof that it's the media coverage that turns nonkillers into mass murderers.

Edit: Since I'm going to be gone for a bit let me add a preemptive LO fuckin' L for anyone who's going to use this to continue arguing that these events are more a result of the 1A than the 2A.
 
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mizzou said:
The sad part of all this, we typically know exactly who your average "school shooter" is. Has anyone really been shocked when the person is identified? It's always the same, Oh they were such a quiet sweet boy initial reactions which then develop into, yeah we knew he was an epic fucked up and a powder keg waiting to explode.

People in USA have a lemming attitude. We go in one direction and then when the person in front of us disappears we freak out and act like we are lost until we find another lemming and then continue walking in line.

Here we are, afraid to change course yet again, and waiting to find another lemming to get behind.
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" He was a nice guy, and he put everyone before himself … it doesn’t sound right.

Carmen Nesnick, stepsister of Chris Harper-Mercer"
 
njdevilsfan87 said:
I'm all for gun control. I don't think people realize that even owning one for self defense purposes is just going to make things worse further down the line.
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In this case everyone at that college who may have owned a gun for self defense was prevented from being able to use it for self defense on that campus. Guns are prohibited from campus by law. We can all see how that little gun control measure worked out. Not a single soul on that campus had the ability to meet the shooters deadly force with deadly force. Not those who were vetted, trained, and, licensed to conceal carry or even campus security. That is a tragedy. The best that the students and faculty could come up with was a single veteran who stood up to him and took 5 bullets for his trouble. I wonder how many lives he saved by taking those 5 bullets? I wonder how many lives he could have saved had he had the ability to put 5 into the active shooter?
 
This ""IS"" all gun control. It is ALL about gun control!!!
More so, this total insane OBSESSION with guns in America.
And the NRA plus politics push this obsession EVERY SINGLE DAY.
Guns in church. Guns in school. Guns in the class room. Guns in the theaters.
Guns in hats, guns in bats. Guns on the street, guns where you eat.
Guns in the park, guns in the dark. Guns on a boat, guns on your goat.
Gaud... where is Dr Seuss when we need him?

This is simply business as usual with the NRA, this gunning up of all America.
And the NRA owns the politicians, all of them, and the NRA could give a crap if the gunning up of America kills hundreds and thousands of school kids or theater movie goers.
Why worry about abortion? We have guns EVERYWHERE to take out the kids.
The NRA doesn't care. Its all about the money. The gun sales. The membership dues.

So the bottom line is, once again, will YOU be lucky or unlucky as to your whereabouts when the next crazed shooter decides this is the day to shoot people?
Will someone open fire at the McDonalds?
At the Star Bucks?
At the grocery store?
In the parking lot?
In the class room?
In the restroom?
At the mall?
At the donut shop?

Do you feel lucky today?
Well.... do you?
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.
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sportage said:
This ""IS"" gun control. It is ALL about gun control!!!
More so, this total insane OBSESSION with guns in America.
And the NRA plus politics pushes this obsession EVERY SINGLE DAY.
Guns in church. Guns in school. Guns in the class room. Guns in the theaters.
Guns in hats, guns in bats. Guns on the street, guns where you eat.
Guns in the park, guns in the dark. Guns on a boat, guns on your goat.
Gaud... where is Dr Seuss when we need him?

This is simply a business with the NRA, gunning up all of America.
And the NRA owns the politicians, all of them, and the NRA could give a crap if the gunning up of America kills hundreds and thousands of school kids or theater movie goers.
They don't care. Its all about the money. The sales. The membership fees.

So the bottom line is, again as always, will YOU be lucky or unlucky as to your whereabouts when the next crazed shooters decides this is the day to shoot people.
Do you feel lucky? Well.... do you?
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You seem to forget the biggest arms dealer in the world is our govt. The NRA has nothing on the US gov when it comes to peddling weapons of war.

Anybody who gets shot by a crazy is unlucky. Is that even in dispute? But what are the odds of that happening? Very very very low.
 
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Has the blog been verified as real or not?

Some sites are claiming this came from one of his blogs.

"I have noticed that so many people like [Flanagan] are alone and unknown, yet when they spill a little blood, the whole world knows who they are. A man who was known by no one, is now known by everyone. His face splashed across every screen, his name across the lips of every person on the planet, all in the course of one day. Seems like the more people you kill, the more you're in the limelight."
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Will we come to the point where pulling a gun in a public place will be like trying to hijack a plane? Will you get attacked by the people since case after case seems to show that people aren't taking hostages but simply killing indiscriminately and then killing themselves?
 
NesuD said:
In this case everyone at that college who may have owned a gun for self defense was prevented from being able to use it for self defense on that campus. Guns are prohibited from campus by law. We can all see how that little gun control measure worked out. Not a single soul on that campus had the ability to meet the shooters deadly force with deadly force. Not those who were vetted, trained, and, licensed to conceal carry or even campus security. That is a tragedy. The best that the students and faculty could come up with was a single veteran who stood up to him and took 5 bullets for his trouble. I wonder how many lives he saved by taking those 5 bullets? I wonder how many lives he could have saved had he had the ability to put 5 into the active shooter?
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Actually, guns are not prohibited from that campus by law. In fact, it's illegal to ban guns from that campus by state law.
 
Genx87 said:
Anybody who gets shot by a crazy is unlucky. Is that even in dispute? But what are the odds of that happening? Very very very low.
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True. You're vastly more likely to be shot by someone in your home, assuming there is a gun in your home.
 
NesuD said:
In this case everyone at that college who may have owned a gun for self defense was prevented from being able to use it for self defense on that campus. Guns are prohibited from campus by law. We can all see how that little gun control measure worked out. Not a single soul on that campus had the ability to meet the shooters deadly force with deadly force. Not those who were vetted, trained, and, licensed to conceal carry or even campus security. That is a tragedy. The best that the students and faculty could come up with was a single veteran who stood up to him and took 5 bullets for his trouble. I wonder how many lives he saved by taking those 5 bullets? I wonder how many lives he could have saved had he had the ability to put 5 into the active shooter?
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If only a moron gun humper like yourself was there to shit themselves with fear and then do nothing.
 
Can the sheriff now be sued and lose over something like this?

Grand standing isn't illegal, but I bet people will think twice before getting all 'Murica like this again.

But, of course the problem is the people who lost their family yesterday.

Blackjack200 said:
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Newell Steamer said:
Can the sheriff now be sued and lose over something like this?

Grand standing isn't illegal, but I bet people will think twice before getting all 'Murica like this again.

But, of course the problem is the people who lost their family yesterday.
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Probably not, Washington never ended up passing any laws. So the letter amounts to "fuck you, we're not going to follow your laws even if you pass them"... but they didn't anyway.

It's too bad the sherriff isn't better at protecting the community than he is at political grandstanding.
 
Atomic Playboy said:
This always gets trotted out in response to current interpretations of the Constitution; first amendment issues, second amendment issues, fifth amendment issues, whatever. Does it really matter what the founding fathers' views of our current situation would be? Can't we discuss these things without weighing in with our estimation of what some men from 250 years ago might have thought? Doesn't this just amount to some version of appeal to authority mixed with appeal to tradition, both of which are logical fallacies? The founding fathers thought that only educated, white, male landowners be allowed to vote and that slavery was hunky-dory. They were wrong about that shit... but we should guess as to what they might say about our current situation with regards to guns because that's the only way to settle this debate? What an absurd idea. Leave them out of it.

You want to know what the founding fathers would say if you brought them back to life right now (besides "Ahhhhh, get me out of this box!")? "We came up with a way to amend the Constitution because we assumed that future generations might need to update the laws according to changing standards over time. So, uhhh, maybe try that without guessing what we would do? Now if you'll excuse me, I've been positively dead for centuries; it's time to partake of one of these newfangled 'titty bars' and get roaring drunk on good ale."
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Perfect response 🙂
 
Let's teach gun safety and shooting in high school and everyone will be issued 1 government gun. Everyone will be packing and if some deranged person acts out with his gun he can be laid out right on the spot 🙂
 
he attended Switzer Learning Center — for people with "moderate to severe learning disabilities, emotional issues, attention problems, and behavioral disorders"
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Hey, I have a cool idea. Let's sell him 4 guns. Amirite?
 
JTsyo said:
Will we come to the point where pulling a gun in a public place will be like trying to hijack a plane? Will you get attacked by the people since case after case seems to show that people aren't taking hostages but simply killing indiscriminately and then killing themselves?
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Looks like this might have been the case already. Props to the guy and glad to hear he survived.
 
Blackjack200 said:
Actually, guns are not prohibited from that campus by law. In fact, it's illegal to ban guns from that campus by state law.
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It appears few people knew that, all they (falsely) knew was that if you put up signs that say a place is "gun free", it's supposed to be gun free. How many more lives are these types of signs and regulations (assumed or valid) going to cost our society?
 
Blackjack200 said:
Okay, so instead of gun control, media control? Which laws abridging the 1st amendment rather than the 2nd would you like to see passed?
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It shouldn't have to be a law, restricting behavior that has been found to be harmful.

One thing organized religion has going for it is getting its members away from the "if it's legal, that means it's OK" mindset.
There should be secular organizations who share that goal.. but most of the ones I can think of are pretty narrowly focused. (I'd like to hear about more, that posters are aware of.)
 
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