9 dead, 9 wounded, shooter killed at Oregon community college

[Blackjack200]

What mechanism of action would be shared between treating the two scenarios?

Controlling access to guns.

 

[LightPattern]

Hopefully people hold the media responsible for their role:

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For years, forensic psychiatrists have been urging American journalists to reform the way they report on these incidents. In a 2009 BBC interview, perhaps the best known among those psychiatrists, Dr. Park Dietz, said: “We’ve had 20 years of mass murders throughout which I have repeatedly told CNN and our other media, if you don’t want to propagate more mass murders, don’t start the story with sirens blaring. Don’t have photographs of the killer. Don’t make this 24/7 coverage. Do everything you can not to make the body count the lead story, not to make the killer some kind of anti-hero. Do localize the story to the affected community and make it as boring as possible in every other market. Because every time we have intense saturation coverage of a mass murder, we expect to see one or two more within a week.”

http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/d...t?oid=20329038

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Researchers at Texas State University have found many of the shooters are partially motivated by fame and have looked to past shooters for inspiration.

Now the FBI is encouraging media organizations to rethink the way they cover these stories by not focusing as much attention on the shooters. They call it the "Don't Name Them" campaign.

http://www.ksat.com/news/fbi-to-medi...-mass-shooters

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Researchers gathered records of school shootings and mass killings from several data sets and fit them into a mathematical "contagion model." The spread they found was not dependent on location, leading researchers to believe that national media coverage of a mass shooting might play a role. On average, mass shootings occur about once every two weeks in the United States and school shootings happen about once a month, the study said.

"What we believe may be happening is national news media attention is like a 'vector' that reaches people who are vulnerable," said Sherry Towers, a research professor at Arizona State University and lead author of the study.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/02/health...illings-study/

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A 1999 study by Dr. Mullen and others in the Archives of Suicide Research suggested that a 10-year outbreak of mass homicides had occurred in clusters rather than randomly. This effect was also found in a 2002 study by a group of German psychiatrists who examined 132 attempted rampage killings world-wide. There is a growing consensus among researchers that, whether or not the perpetrators are fully aware of it, they are following what has become a ready-made, free-floating template for young men to resolve their rage and express their sense of personal grandiosity.

Whatever the witch's brew of influences that produced this grisly script, treating mass killings as a kind of epidemic or contagion largely frees us from having to understand the particular causes of each act. Instead, we can focus on disrupting the spread.

There is a precedent for this approach in dealing with another form of violence: suicides. A 2003 study led by Columbia University psychiatrist Madelyn Gould found "ample evidence" of a suicide contagion effect, fed by reports in the media. A 2011 study in the journal BMC Public Health found, unsurprisingly, that this effect is especially strong for novel forms of suicide that receive outsize attention in the press.

Some researchers have even put the theory to the test. In 1984, a rash of suicides broke out on the subway system in Vienna. As the death toll climbed, a group of researchers at the Austrian Association for Suicide Prevention theorized that sensational reporting was inadvertently glorifying the suicides. Three years into the epidemic, the researchers persuaded local media to change their coverage by minimizing details and photos, avoiding romantic language and simplistic explanations of motives, moving the stories from the front page and keeping the word "suicide" out of the headlines. Subway suicides promptly dropped by 75%.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB100014...81702252120052

But far be it for us to follow the advice of experts - got to get those ratings!

Fantastic post. Let's see a major media outlet discuss this in depth. It does actually get mentioned on occasion by an expert guest. But that's not enough to change the behavior.. even of the channel they appear on.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Controlling access to guns.

OK, how do you propose to do that in each stage?

 

[trenchfoot]

Here's more food for thought:

Seeing as if the Repubs, generally speaking, more or less represent the interests of gun owners and the NRA, and seeing as if they have been VERY creative and VERY clever in the ways they circumvent the language and intent of the Constitution/BOR in regards to disenfranchising voters who vote against them and defunding Planned Parenthood's delivery of services of which the Repubs despise, that they should concentrate their efforts in this same dedicated and masterful manner toward circumventing the language and intent of the 2A for the purpose of improving the screening effectiveness of background checks and instituting more accurate and thorough registration procedures for firearms. A very noble cause I would think, and one in which would make the Repubs look almost human compassion-wise.

In this way, we may be able to overcome the seemingly impossible task of lessening the threat from gun-toting nutjobs mass murdering our children in our schools, playgrounds and theaters.

 

[Blackjack200]

OK, how do you propose to do that in each stage?

We can't because are freedoms.

 

[MagickMan]

People target gun-free zones? You don't say? Well, do away with gun-free zones.

 

[Blackjack200]

Make part of the gun buying process similar to what Republicans keep trying to do with abortion. First, you have to see pictures of victims of mass shootings and audio recordings of the screams of the dying. Then get something randomly shoved up your ass - you must consent to this or else you're not allowed to purchase a firearm. Then after all that you still have to come back and speak with a counselor twice more with a waiting period of 48 hours in between sessions. Also regulate the stores that sell firearms down to the nails used in construction, make sure the seller has admitting privileges at a local hospital (in case something goes wrong), they can't be within 1000 ft of a school or church, and the name of everyone that buys a gun is posted in the local paper. Oh, and they have to recommend alternatives, like slingshots and paintball/airsoft.

I mean, we're not making buying a gun illegal, we're doing it for the health and safety of the buyer. If it's not a legitimate gun purchase we have ways of shutting that whole thing down!

(Stolen from SAForums)

 

[Blackjack200]

People target gun-free zones? You don't say? Well, do away with gun-free zones.

It wasn't a gun free zone? You don't say?

 

[HamburgerBoy]

In other words, no serious solutions.

 

[MagickMan]

It wasn't a gun free zone? You don't say?

http://www.ammoland.com/2015/10/shooting-at-gun-free-umpqua-community-college-oregon/#axzz3nNyKt2TU

"Umpqua Community College is a posted Gun Free Zone"

 

[Indus]

I hate to say this but it's time for Obama to do something ironic.

Instead of consoling people, he should say oh buy more guns, nothing to see here and yawn.

Maybe then Congress will get the message since they love doing the opposite of what he wants.

 

[Blackjack200]

http://www.ammoland.com/2015/10/shooting-at-gun-free-umpqua-community-college-oregon/#axzz3nNyKt2TU

"Umpqua Community College is a posted Gun Free Zone"

"It was a gun free zone."
"No, it wasn't."

"But it had signs! BAN SIGNS!"

 

[sportage]

Just another day in the USA. God Bless.

So true.
I refused to listen to the news tonight BECAUSE I'm tired of this insanity trying to be rationalized.
One thing for sure. We probably have 20 new advocates for gun control.
The parents of the ten that died.
Seems like advancing gun control the hard way.....

 

[hawtdawg]

Nothing could have prevented this. If it wasn't a gun, he would have killed and wounded dozens of people with a knife.

Dang right! we need to make guns illegal, that way they will simply disappear and no one will have them anymore.

 

[woolfe9998]

Aside from the gun control talking points, here is a development in the case which could stir up some discussion:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/02/us/oregon-umpqua-community-college-shooting/index.html

Someone is reporting that the gunman "singled out Christians" because he lined people up against a wall, then asked if they were Christian. If they said yes, he said "Good because you're a Christian, you're going to see God in just about one second," then shot each in the head.

I think this might be a bit garbled because it doesn't actually say what the shooter did if they said "no." It also seems likely that no one would say yes after they saw what happened to the first one who said yes. Perhaps we'll have a clearer picture when more comes in.

 

[sandorski]

Aside from the gun control talking points, here is a development in the case which could stir up some discussion:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/02/us/oregon-umpqua-community-college-shooting/index.html

Someone is reporting that the gunman "singled out Christians" because he lined people up against a wall, then asked if they were Christian. If they said yes, he said "Good because you're a Christian, you're going to see God in just about one second," then shot each in the head.

I think this might be a bit garbled because it doesn't actually say what the shooter did if they said "no." It also seems likely that no one would say yes after they saw what happened to the first one who said yes. Perhaps we'll have a clearer picture when more comes in.

As I recall, something similar was alleged early on in the reporting of the Columbine shooting. That turned out to be false, IIRC. It will take some time for an accurate picture of the events to unfold.

 

[hawtdawg]

As I recall, something similar was alleged early on in the reporting of the Columbine shooting. That turned out to be false, IIRC. It will take some time for an accurate picture of the events to unfold.

US Christians are just itching for some persecution. They're so starved for it that they think people trying to remove giant "Jesus" signs from public property is a sign of the times (pun intended).

 

[mizzou]

The sad part of all this, we typically know exactly who your average "school shooter" is. Has anyone really been shocked when the person is identified? It's always the same, Oh they were such a quiet sweet boy initial reactions which then develop into, yeah we knew he was an epic fucked up and a powder keg waiting to explode.

People in USA have a lemming attitude. We go in one direction and then when the person in front of us disappears we freak out and act like we are lost until we find another lemming and then continue walking in line.

Here we are, afraid to change course yet again, and waiting to find another lemming to get behind.

 

[Ranulf]

Controlling access to guns.

Because it has worked so well in places like NYC, DC or Chicago. How many have been shot in the past two weekends in Chicago?

On the lines of the media hyping these things for ratings, the other reason they won't change their coverage tactics is they get advertising money from the pharmaceutical industry. How many of these mass shooters were on some psychotropic drug? Many of them. Media doesn't mention that often. Doesn't fit the narrative and would hurt their advertising budget.

 

[sandorski]

Because it has worked so well in places like NYC, DC or Chicago. How many have been shot in the past two weekends in Chicago?

On the lines of the media hyping these things for ratings, the other reason they won't change their coverage tactics is they get advertising money from the pharmaceutical industry. How many of these mass shooters were on some psychotropic drug? Many of them. Media doesn't mention that often. Doesn't fit the narrative and would hurt their advertising budget.

Cities don't have the controls in place to prevent Guns from entering them. This argument that "City X has Gun Control therefor Gun Control doesn't work" is about the most stupid tripe imaginable.

 

[Newell Steamer]

http://www.star-telegram.com/news/state/texas/article36807687.html

And, let's not forget this as well; http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...reates-charlie-hebdo-attack-article-1.2081534

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Again I'm going to bet the low hanging fruit to address this will be mental health, sensible gun control and people need to stop accepting weird behavior.
I know facts a sparse but we all know what is going to come out.

 

[Blanky]

The 2nd is going to stand in the way of any major, far-reaching gun control. Even some of the recent laws that have been enacted by some states are not constitutional and will be wound back.

So, either you push for a repeal of the 2nd, or go about this in some other manner. It's pretty obvious that a huge number of these mass shootings occur at gun free zones. The gun free signs are, I think, completely pointless.

This guy was a loser but it doesn't look like there were yet any massive warning flags. There are tons of total losers with many guns who never do anything like this.

 

[LegendKiller]

The 2nd is going to stand in the way of any major, far-reaching gun control. Even some of the recent laws that have been enacted by some states are not constitutional and will be wound back.

So, either you push for a repeal of the 2nd, or go about this in some other manner. It's pretty obvious that a huge number of these mass shootings occur at gun free zones. The gun free signs are, I think, completely pointless.

This guy was a loser but it doesn't look like there were yet any massive warning flags. There are tons of total losers with many guns who never do anything like this.

We don't know anything about the guy. Pretty much everything out there has been faked. The Myspace was faked. The dating profile was faked. The Facebook profile with the tree, faked.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Faked?
http://mashable.com/2015/10/02/chri...l&utm_medium=feed&utm_source=rss#zy7UoulNUiqk