9/11 Remembering the Jumpers

[OnePingOnly]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: Kadarin

Originally posted by: CKent

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Fuck Terrorists. Fuck Wahabbi Islam.

In essence, fuck Muslims. You can't blame a religion, it's an inanimate concept. It's the people who fanatically follow it and use it to justify such horrors who are at fault. Further, it's hardly "only the radicals". By the standards of other religions, most Muslims are radical.

I joined the AT forums in November of '01 (my alias at the time was "Astaroth33"), and for a long time I was posting a significant amount of vehemently anti-Muslim rhetoric. Right now, a guy who I consider to be one of my best friends happens to be Muslim, and he taught me that not all Muslims are against the American way of life.

You're right. Not all, just most.

You are part of the biggest problem i have flxnimprtmscl, Ckent and Ocguy.

Ocguy, i wonder what gave you the impression that "it's hardly "only the radicals""?


Kadarin, i pretty much made the same discovery after i did my first tour, on this prolonged tour i see it more like protecting the society from the Talibans, the society is Muslim and they are good people, the Taliban are not good people, in fact, they are the most disgusting group i have ever come across and i have seen some shit in my 20+ years as a Soldier.

Well, here's the thing. The same brutal and oppressive practices have been going on in Muslim nations for generations. Granted, most nations, America included, have some pretty dark practices somewhere in their history. But, civilized societies eventually become... civilized. They become more moderate. They weed out their crazy people.

So here's how I view it. There are the radicals, whatever percentage of the population they may be, and then there is the rest of the populous, which seems to condone, or at least turn a blind eye to the more extreme sort of behavior.

Now you've obviously been stationed in some Muslim nations and from what you've seen you've formed your own opinions. You may be absolutely correct. However, I'll stick with my own opinion, based upon what I've seen, until such a time as I see evidence to the contrary or have an experience similar to yours that forces me to reconsider my opinions. Take it as you will but I'm not in any way prejudiced. I've simply formed an opinion based on the evidence I've seen.

On an unrelated note, thank you for your service.

I'm sorry, either you are very young or very ignorant, who has fed you this BULLSHIT? Because that is what it is.

Yeah, lets sort out the radicals, ok, so ther's about 1.2 BILLION Muslims, we sort the radicals up and round it into once decimal and we have 1.2 BILLION Muslims.


Yes i have been stationed in five Muslim nations, the one that has affected me the most is Afghanistan, where i am now, this is a place where the population has been tortured, the crimes against the population here by the Talibans still make me vomit when i enter a camp they have been in, it's worse than you can ever imagine.

But these ... animals.. they aren't more muslim then they are christian or hindu, they are just... i don't know what to call them.

The thing is that i am defending a Muslim population against the reoccuring attacs or, not anymore, that's someone elses job now, even though i like to stay behind and stay up just so there is enough men to do this job.

You see, Islam isn't any different from Christianity when it comes to the message of love and in what cases you have the right to use force, it's the speakers, the preachers that pervert the religion into something that suddenly goes against all that it stands for and for some reason, some people follow the leaders and not the religion.

My point is that Muslims are no more violent than you or me, the KKK are Christian would you say they are more violent, Al-Fatah are Muslims, would you say they are more violent?

You get my point, i'm sure, the question is that now when you have been told, do you have the guts to find out if i'm right and more importantly, if i'm right, do you have the guts to stand by your knowledge or will it just be back to "ah yeah, damn Muslums!!!!"

Most valid post in this drivel filled thread.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: EricMartello

If Wikipedia said your mom was a $3 crack whore would you believe it? That's the problem with something that can be edited by the same idiots who post on the the forums. 😱 It is unlikely that over 6 million jews were killed...the jews like to inflate that number to get sympathy and to feel more entitled...kinda like black people still whip out the slavery card.

OK, so the number of Japanese civilians killed in WWII may or may not have been ~600k. The number of Jews killed in the holocaust may or may not have been 6 million. PLEASE post your source that shows that one or both of those numbers are wrong, and that the first number is larger than the second. I don't understand why you're dodging this question. Surely you didn't make up this "fact."

 

[DomS]

WTF......how did this thread turn like this??? This was supposed to be a thread about those people making that final decision...instead we the tinfoil hat brigade.

 

[OCNewbie]

Pretty damn intense and emotional video. I hadn't heard that 911 call from that woman before. Pretty moving image of the 2 people holding hands jumping together. Thanks for sharing.

 

[Taejin]

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: lykaon78

Originally posted by: ppdes
>one brave final decision to take control of how they would perish

There's no chance of surviving the jump and falling bodies can hurt others at the base of the building. What if you hit a doctor or a fireman who would have saved multiple people later had you not taken them out? Jumping is cowardly and despicable in this case.

Idiot

You do realize an NYC firefighter was killed when he was struck by a jumper, right?

A good number of the jumpers probably didn't consciously make the decision to jump. As I stated earlier, when conditions deteriorate to a certain point (such as being burned alive) the lower brain can and will take action before you consciously consider them. Its a primitive brain response meant to keep us alive in extremely stressful situations (like the threat of being burned alive).

To the other poster who made the ignorant comment that jumping was cowardly and despicable, I am willing to bet that you have never been severely burned before. Well I have and I can promise you that, even if in full control, jumping to your death to avoid burning to death is not cowardice. I guarantee that if I put your ass in a room surrounded by insanely hot fire with no other way out you would have done the same exact thing. It doesn't matter how big of a man you think you are. You simply can not endure that kind of pain without taking drastic measures to get away from it.

I suffered 3rd degree burns over 1/3 of my body so I have a bit of perspective.

Well, no normal person anyways. We do have pictures of monks setting themselves on fire and simply sitting there.

 

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: Taejin

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: lykaon78

Originally posted by: ppdes
>one brave final decision to take control of how they would perish

There's no chance of surviving the jump and falling bodies can hurt others at the base of the building. What if you hit a doctor or a fireman who would have saved multiple people later had you not taken them out? Jumping is cowardly and despicable in this case.

Idiot

You do realize an NYC firefighter was killed when he was struck by a jumper, right?

A good number of the jumpers probably didn't consciously make the decision to jump. As I stated earlier, when conditions deteriorate to a certain point (such as being burned alive) the lower brain can and will take action before you consciously consider them. Its a primitive brain response meant to keep us alive in extremely stressful situations (like the threat of being burned alive).

To the other poster who made the ignorant comment that jumping was cowardly and despicable, I am willing to bet that you have never been severely burned before. Well I have and I can promise you that, even if in full control, jumping to your death to avoid burning to death is not cowardice. I guarantee that if I put your ass in a room surrounded by insanely hot fire with no other way out you would have done the same exact thing. It doesn't matter how big of a man you think you are. You simply can not endure that kind of pain without taking drastic measures to get away from it.

I suffered 3rd degree burns over 1/3 of my body so I have a bit of perspective.

Well, no normal person anyways. We do have pictures of monks setting themselves on fire and simply sitting there.

I would bet that there is a huge difference between the heat output of the fires. BTW, what the hell are those monks smoking? You gotta be batshit insane to purposely set yourself on fire and just sit there.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

If you don't watch it it's almost like it never happened...

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: EricMartello

If Wikipedia said your mom was a $3 crack whore would you believe it? That's the problem with something that can be edited by the same idiots who post on the the forums. 😱 It is unlikely that over 6 million jews were killed...the jews like to inflate that number to get sympathy and to feel more entitled...kinda like black people still whip out the slavery card.

OK, so the number of Japanese civilians killed in WWII may or may not have been ~600k. The number of Jews killed in the holocaust may or may not have been 6 million. PLEASE post your source that shows that one or both of those numbers are wrong, and that the first number is larger than the second. I don't understand why you're dodging this question. Surely you didn't make up this "fact."

I hope you're not awaiting a response to your question from this troll 🙂

 

[MrMatt]

bump for 9/11

 

[Xylitol]

removed for terms of use
fucking pathetic

 

[Oceandevi]

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: Taejin

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: lykaon78

Originally posted by: ppdes
>one brave final decision to take control of how they would perish

There's no chance of surviving the jump and falling bodies can hurt others at the base of the building. What if you hit a doctor or a fireman who would have saved multiple people later had you not taken them out? Jumping is cowardly and despicable in this case.

Idiot

You do realize an NYC firefighter was killed when he was struck by a jumper, right?

A good number of the jumpers probably didn't consciously make the decision to jump. As I stated earlier, when conditions deteriorate to a certain point (such as being burned alive) the lower brain can and will take action before you consciously consider them. Its a primitive brain response meant to keep us alive in extremely stressful situations (like the threat of being burned alive).

To the other poster who made the ignorant comment that jumping was cowardly and despicable, I am willing to bet that you have never been severely burned before. Well I have and I can promise you that, even if in full control, jumping to your death to avoid burning to death is not cowardice. I guarantee that if I put your ass in a room surrounded by insanely hot fire with no other way out you would have done the same exact thing. It doesn't matter how big of a man you think you are. You simply can not endure that kind of pain without taking drastic measures to get away from it.

I suffered 3rd degree burns over 1/3 of my body so I have a bit of perspective.

Well, no normal person anyways. We do have pictures of monks setting themselves on fire and simply sitting there.

I would bet that there is a huge difference between the heat output of the fires. BTW, what the hell are those monks smoking? You gotta be batshit insane to purposely set yourself on fire and just sit there.

Absurd levels of mental control. People like us are not able to understand it.





And for FSM's sake!!! Shutup about the damn nukes. It sucked, it happened a long time ago. Japan is still around. I don't know why some of you are so obsessed.

 

[dainthomas]

Originally posted by: Xylitol

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: Baked

Originally posted by: CatchPhrase
How many would have died if everybody had a parachute?
Also why did they jump? Did they KNOW 100% that they would die?

They were above the levels that were on fire, so they had the choice of getting burned alive or pancake by base jumping w/o a chute.

You know those fire alarm exercises they make you do at work? Totally pointless. So many lives could've been saved if they actually evacuated the 2nd tower when the 1st tower got hit.

Hindsight is 20/20

well some people did leave the tower. many were told to stay inside the building for their own safety by security.

Haha, if some cookie cop had tried to keep me in there they'd get a punch to the throat.

 

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: MrMatt
bump for 9/11

Why the hell did you bump this worthless thread. Link doesn't work and if you actually read the thread you bumped it went entirely out of control and now it's going to keep going cus of you.

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: CKent

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Fuck Terrorists. Fuck Wahabbi Islam.

In essence, fuck Muslims.

That isn't necessary. Quite a few good people I know are Muslims. Although hardly Orthodox, I might add.

 

[alkemyst]

i don't believe everything is a conspiracy nor everything is not...

It's funny how many here don't believe some interlap can happen esp. when it'd be worth BILLIONS.

 

[ManyBeers]

This is as good a thread as any to post this question in, so here goes: On average which of the sexes scratches more frequently down below?

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: ManyBeers
This is as good a thread as any to post this question in, so here goes: On average which of the sexes scratches more frequently down below?

post or pre-coitus with you?

 

[JJChicken]

wow just realised this was a year old thread

 

[ManyBeers]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: ManyBeers
This is as good a thread as any to post this question in, so here goes: On average which of the sexes scratches more frequently down below?

post or pre-coitus with you?

bofe

ps: is it bofe or boaf

 

[eits]

i was a freshman in undergrad... i had just gotten ready to head off to my first class of the morning, calculus. i had gotten in the elevator of my dorm room and there were two guys talking about planes hitting the wtc.

the one guy was talking about watching cbs or nbc news that morning and they were talking to some lady from the wtc2 was on the phone with the news station or something about the attack on wtc1. then, she freaks out because she sees a second plane and the line goes quiet after the plane hits.

i kinda freaked out about it because my mom works in a government building around the dc area and my dad worked in downtown d.c. at the time... and he's middle-eastern. i went to class and my professor decided not to teach, but to talk. we all sat around talking about how we felt about what we heard this morning. i kept trying to call my parents at work and they didn't answer. my mom finally called me from home telling me her building was evacuated so she had the day off and my dad was on his way home and everyone was ok.

it was the first freakout they had... the second one was the d.c. sniper. 8 of the attacks were from right around where my parents live (olney, md).

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: OCguy
Fuck Terrorists. Fuck Wahabbi Islam.

agreed. wahabbism is bullshit... get with the fucking times, people.

 

[BoomerD]

I'm kind of glad the video has been taken down. I watched 102 Minutes that Changed America on the History Channel a while ago...that was bad enough.

I'm still pissed at George Bush for dropping the ball in Afghanistan and going off on a wild tangent into Iraq...rather than finishing that job first.
There is NO reason that Osama Bin Forgotten should still be alive...nor any member of Al Queda. That should have been taken care of by Jan.1 2002...one way or another.
8 years later, we still have troops in Afghanistan chasing the Taliban...and as far as we're led to believe, Osama Bin Forgotten is still alive and well...probably in Pakistan.