Originally posted by: Nocturnal
I still believe 9/11 was an inside job.
Originally posted by: Nocturnal
Sickening to say the least. I don't blame it all on the Muslims. I still believe 9/11 was an inside job.
Originally posted by: Lurknomore
Originally posted by: EricMartello
Originally posted by: nick1985
Originally posted by: EricMartello
Burning to death is probably one of the more painful ways to die, especially if you are slowly roasted and not quickly consumed in an explosive blast. The people who survived the initial crash could only be slowly burned, so jumping is simply the lesser of two evils in this case...10 seconds of fresh air then BAM, you're roadkill -instant death, no pain.
For some perspective, the US military dropped incendiary bombs on Japan during WWII - burning most of their major cities to the ground. The incendiary bombs killed many civilians, and unlike the tower jumpers, their only option was to experience Iron Chef from the food's perspective. The number of people killed by the atomic bombs pale in comparison to the numbers the US killed with incendiary bombs. So yeah, we lost the WTC but compared to the things we as a nation have done...if you can't take it, don't dish it out.
You do realize that by dropping the atom bombs we saved hundreds of thousands, if not millions of lives....right?
You do realize you ignored the part about the US Fire-bombing and killing many thousands of japanese civilians for the greater duration of the US involvement in WWII, which effectively negate any lives we "saved" by nuking them. Furthermore, your statement is based on heresay - it is highly unlikely that the Japanese could have mounted a substantial assault on the US at the time we decided to nuke them. At that point, their navy was in shambles, they were out of raw materials and most of their major cities were smoldering piles of ash. We killed more jap civilians than hitler killed jews...What I am saying is that the WTC was bad but the US has been responsible for far worse in the past and people need to understand that we as a country are far from innocent.
QFT
That we would "need" to "save" Japan from itself by possibly sacrificing millions just to implement our unconditional surrender clause is a reflection of our patronizing worldview that still exists today.
Originally posted by: Number1
Originally posted by: Lurknomore
Originally posted by: EricMartello
Originally posted by: nick1985
Originally posted by: EricMartello
Burning to death is probably one of the more painful ways to die, especially if you are slowly roasted and not quickly consumed in an explosive blast. The people who survived the initial crash could only be slowly burned, so jumping is simply the lesser of two evils in this case...10 seconds of fresh air then BAM, you're roadkill -instant death, no pain.
For some perspective, the US military dropped incendiary bombs on Japan during WWII - burning most of their major cities to the ground. The incendiary bombs killed many civilians, and unlike the tower jumpers, their only option was to experience Iron Chef from the food's perspective. The number of people killed by the atomic bombs pale in comparison to the numbers the US killed with incendiary bombs. So yeah, we lost the WTC but compared to the things we as a nation have done...if you can't take it, don't dish it out.
You do realize that by dropping the atom bombs we saved hundreds of thousands, if not millions of lives....right?
You do realize you ignored the part about the US Fire-bombing and killing many thousands of japanese civilians for the greater duration of the US involvement in WWII, which effectively negate any lives we "saved" by nuking them. Furthermore, your statement is based on heresay - it is highly unlikely that the Japanese could have mounted a substantial assault on the US at the time we decided to nuke them. At that point, their navy was in shambles, they were out of raw materials and most of their major cities were smoldering piles of ash. We killed more jap civilians than hitler killed jews...What I am saying is that the WTC was bad but the US has been responsible for far worse in the past and people need to understand that we as a country are far from innocent.
QFT
That we would "need" to "save" Japan from itself by possibly sacrificing millions just to implement our unconditional surrender clause is a reflection of our patronizing worldview that still exists today.
Revisionist stupidity or just plain ignorance?
The only reason the US nuked japan was to eliminate the need for an invasion saving countless US soldiers lives. It was to save soldiers lives, US soldiers.
Keep working on that raisin :laugh:Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
I've prayed 3/5 times today so far, and...I haven't strapped a bomb to my chest, and I couldn't fly a plane if my life depended on it. So I guess my point is, fuck you!Originally posted by: CKent
Really? I don't remember praying 5 times today and then strapping a bomb to my chest or flying a plane into any buildings. Whoops! Looks like I'm a member of the civilized world.Originally posted by: zoiks
Really. You're a radical just for saying that too. So go fuck yourself as well.Originally posted by: CKent
In essence, fuck Muslims. You can't blame a religion, it's an inanimate concept. It's the people who fanatically follow it and use it to justify such horrors who are at fault. Further, it's hardly "only the radicals". By the standards of other religions, most Muslims are radical.Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Fuck Terrorists. Fuck Wahabbi Islam.
Originally posted by: CKent
Keep working on that raisin :laugh:Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
I've prayed 3/5 times today so far, and...I haven't strapped a bomb to my chest, and I couldn't fly a plane if my life depended on it. So I guess my point is, fuck you!Originally posted by: CKent
Really? I don't remember praying 5 times today and then strapping a bomb to my chest or flying a plane into any buildings. Whoops! Looks like I'm a member of the civilized world.Originally posted by: zoiks
Really. You're a radical just for saying that too. So go fuck yourself as well.Originally posted by: CKent
In essence, fuck Muslims. You can't blame a religion, it's an inanimate concept. It's the people who fanatically follow it and use it to justify such horrors who are at fault. Further, it's hardly "only the radicals". By the standards of other religions, most Muslims are radical.Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Fuck Terrorists. Fuck Wahabbi Islam.
Originally posted by: Number1
Originally posted by: Lurknomore
Originally posted by: EricMartello
Originally posted by: nick1985
Originally posted by: EricMartello
Burning to death is probably one of the more painful ways to die, especially if you are slowly roasted and not quickly consumed in an explosive blast. The people who survived the initial crash could only be slowly burned, so jumping is simply the lesser of two evils in this case...10 seconds of fresh air then BAM, you're roadkill -instant death, no pain.
For some perspective, the US military dropped incendiary bombs on Japan during WWII - burning most of their major cities to the ground. The incendiary bombs killed many civilians, and unlike the tower jumpers, their only option was to experience Iron Chef from the food's perspective. The number of people killed by the atomic bombs pale in comparison to the numbers the US killed with incendiary bombs. So yeah, we lost the WTC but compared to the things we as a nation have done...if you can't take it, don't dish it out.
You do realize that by dropping the atom bombs we saved hundreds of thousands, if not millions of lives....right?
You do realize you ignored the part about the US Fire-bombing and killing many thousands of japanese civilians for the greater duration of the US involvement in WWII, which effectively negate any lives we "saved" by nuking them. Furthermore, your statement is based on heresay - it is highly unlikely that the Japanese could have mounted a substantial assault on the US at the time we decided to nuke them. At that point, their navy was in shambles, they were out of raw materials and most of their major cities were smoldering piles of ash. We killed more jap civilians than hitler killed jews...What I am saying is that the WTC was bad but the US has been responsible for far worse in the past and people need to understand that we as a country are far from innocent.
QFT
That we would "need" to "save" Japan from itself by possibly sacrificing millions just to implement our unconditional surrender clause is a reflection of our patronizing worldview that still exists today.
Revisionist stupidity or just plain ignorance?
The only reason the US nuked japan was to eliminate the need for an invasion saving countless US soldiers lives. It was to save soldiers lives, US soldiers.
Originally posted by: Lurknomore
Originally posted by: Number1
Originally posted by: Lurknomore
Originally posted by: EricMartello
Originally posted by: nick1985
Originally posted by: EricMartello
Burning to death is probably one of the more painful ways to die, especially if you are slowly roasted and not quickly consumed in an explosive blast. The people who survived the initial crash could only be slowly burned, so jumping is simply the lesser of two evils in this case...10 seconds of fresh air then BAM, you're roadkill -instant death, no pain.
For some perspective, the US military dropped incendiary bombs on Japan during WWII - burning most of their major cities to the ground. The incendiary bombs killed many civilians, and unlike the tower jumpers, their only option was to experience Iron Chef from the food's perspective. The number of people killed by the atomic bombs pale in comparison to the numbers the US killed with incendiary bombs. So yeah, we lost the WTC but compared to the things we as a nation have done...if you can't take it, don't dish it out.
You do realize that by dropping the atom bombs we saved hundreds of thousands, if not millions of lives....right?
You do realize you ignored the part about the US Fire-bombing and killing many thousands of japanese civilians for the greater duration of the US involvement in WWII, which effectively negate any lives we "saved" by nuking them. Furthermore, your statement is based on heresay - it is highly unlikely that the Japanese could have mounted a substantial assault on the US at the time we decided to nuke them. At that point, their navy was in shambles, they were out of raw materials and most of their major cities were smoldering piles of ash. We killed more jap civilians than hitler killed jews...What I am saying is that the WTC was bad but the US has been responsible for far worse in the past and people need to understand that we as a country are far from innocent.
QFT
That we would "need" to "save" Japan from itself by possibly sacrificing millions just to implement our unconditional surrender clause is a reflection of our patronizing worldview that still exists today.
Revisionist stupidity or just plain ignorance?
The only reason the US nuked japan was to eliminate the need for an invasion saving countless US soldiers lives. It was to save soldiers lives, US soldiers.
We had unfettered access to limitless cheap fuel.
We had eager poor soldiers crawling out of the depression era.
We had tons of .30 cal stockpiled.
Do you really think we cared all that about American lives?:laugh:
Tell that to almost 100,000+ of ours dead and done in Korea and Nam- just 5 and 20yrs. past the end of WW2. We don't care about our soldiers lives- GET IT?
Originally posted by: Lurknomore
Originally posted by: Number1
Originally posted by: Lurknomore
Originally posted by: EricMartello
Originally posted by: nick1985
Originally posted by: EricMartello
Burning to death is probably one of the more painful ways to die, especially if you are slowly roasted and not quickly consumed in an explosive blast. The people who survived the initial crash could only be slowly burned, so jumping is simply the lesser of two evils in this case...10 seconds of fresh air then BAM, you're roadkill -instant death, no pain.
For some perspective, the US military dropped incendiary bombs on Japan during WWII - burning most of their major cities to the ground. The incendiary bombs killed many civilians, and unlike the tower jumpers, their only option was to experience Iron Chef from the food's perspective. The number of people killed by the atomic bombs pale in comparison to the numbers the US killed with incendiary bombs. So yeah, we lost the WTC but compared to the things we as a nation have done...if you can't take it, don't dish it out.
You do realize that by dropping the atom bombs we saved hundreds of thousands, if not millions of lives....right?
You do realize you ignored the part about the US Fire-bombing and killing many thousands of japanese civilians for the greater duration of the US involvement in WWII, which effectively negate any lives we "saved" by nuking them. Furthermore, your statement is based on heresay - it is highly unlikely that the Japanese could have mounted a substantial assault on the US at the time we decided to nuke them. At that point, their navy was in shambles, they were out of raw materials and most of their major cities were smoldering piles of ash. We killed more jap civilians than hitler killed jews...What I am saying is that the WTC was bad but the US has been responsible for far worse in the past and people need to understand that we as a country are far from innocent.
QFT
That we would "need" to "save" Japan from itself by possibly sacrificing millions just to implement our unconditional surrender clause is a reflection of our patronizing worldview that still exists today.
Revisionist stupidity or just plain ignorance?
The only reason the US nuked japan was to eliminate the need for an invasion saving countless US soldiers lives. It was to save soldiers lives, US soldiers.
We had unfettered access to limitless cheap fuel.
We had eager poor soldiers crawling out of the depression era.
We had tons of .30 cal stockpiled.
Do you really think we cared all that about American lives?:laugh:
Tell that to almost 100,000+ of ours dead and done in Korea and Nam- just 5 and 20yrs. past the end of WW2. We don't care about our soldiers lives- GET IT?
What raisin? Whatever the hell you're talking about is flying over my head.Originally posted by: CKent
Keep working on that raisin :laugh:Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
I've prayed 3/5 times today so far, and...I haven't strapped a bomb to my chest, and I couldn't fly a plane if my life depended on it. So I guess my point is, fuck you!Originally posted by: CKent
Really? I don't remember praying 5 times today and then strapping a bomb to my chest or flying a plane into any buildings. Whoops! Looks like I'm a member of the civilized world.Originally posted by: zoiks
Really. You're a radical just for saying that too. So go fuck yourself as well.Originally posted by: CKent
In essence, fuck Muslims. You can't blame a religion, it's an inanimate concept. It's the people who fanatically follow it and use it to justify such horrors who are at fault. Further, it's hardly "only the radicals". By the standards of other religions, most Muslims are radical.Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Fuck Terrorists. Fuck Wahabbi Islam.
I'm not racistOriginally posted by: mrSHEiK124
What raisin? Whatever the hell you're talking about is flying over my head.
And what do you know, done with all 5 prayers of the day and I didn't strap a bomb to my chest or fly a plane into any buildings. Quite the opposite actually, trying to find a nice deal on a C2D laptop with some decent discrete graphics. Get a life, bigot. It's assholes like you that give Americans like me a bad reputation around the world for being a loudmouthed, close-minded, racist, bigoted dumbass.
Originally posted by: EricMartello
Burning to death is probably one of the more painful ways to die, especially if you are slowly roasted and not quickly consumed in an explosive blast. The people who survived the initial crash could only be slowly burned, so jumping is simply the lesser of two evils in this case...10 seconds of fresh air then BAM, you're roadkill -instant death, no pain.
For some perspective, the US military dropped incendiary bombs on Japan during WWII - burning most of their major cities to the ground. The incendiary bombs killed many civilians, and unlike the tower jumpers, their only option was to experience Iron Chef from the food's perspective. The number of people killed by the atomic bombs pale in comparison to the numbers the US killed with incendiary bombs. So yeah, we lost the WTC but compared to the things we as a nation have done...if you can't take it, don't dish it out.
Originally posted by: CKent
I'm not racistOriginally posted by: mrSHEiK124
What raisin? Whatever the hell you're talking about is flying over my head.
And what do you know, done with all 5 prayers of the day and I didn't strap a bomb to my chest or fly a plane into any buildings. Quite the opposite actually, trying to find a nice deal on a C2D laptop with some decent discrete graphics. Get a life, bigot. It's assholes like you that give Americans like me a bad reputation around the world for being a loudmouthed, close-minded, racist, bigoted dumbass.
You're the exception.
And a raisin is the mark you get on your forehead after a lifetime of bashing it against the floor 5 times a day. Most young muslims these days are intentionally mashing their foreheads during prayer to prove to others how pious they are by getting one earlier in life.
Originally posted by: jpeyton
You do realize an NYC firefighter was killed when he was struck by a jumper, right?Originally posted by: lykaon78
Originally posted by: ppdes
>one brave final decision to take control of how they would perish
There's no chance of surviving the jump and falling bodies can hurt others at the base of the building. What if you hit a doctor or a fireman who would have saved multiple people later had you not taken them out? Jumping is cowardly and despicable in this case.
Idiot
Originally posted by: Darwin333
Originally posted by: jpeyton
You do realize an NYC firefighter was killed when he was struck by a jumper, right?Originally posted by: lykaon78
Originally posted by: ppdes
>one brave final decision to take control of how they would perish
There's no chance of surviving the jump and falling bodies can hurt others at the base of the building. What if you hit a doctor or a fireman who would have saved multiple people later had you not taken them out? Jumping is cowardly and despicable in this case.
Idiot
A good number of the jumpers probably didn't consciously make the decision to jump. As I stated earlier, when conditions deteriorate to a certain point (such as being burned alive) the lower brain can and will take action before you consciously consider them. Its a primitive brain response meant to keep us alive in extremely stressful situations (like the threat of being burned alive).
To the other poster who made the ignorant comment that jumping was cowardly and despicable, I am willing to bet that you have never been severely burned before. Well I have and I can promise you that, even if in full control, jumping to your death to avoid burning to death is not cowardice. I guarantee that if I put your ass in a room surrounded by insanely hot fire with no other way out you would have done the same exact thing. It doesn't matter how big of a man you think you are. You simply can not endure that kind of pain without taking drastic measures to get away from it.
I suffered 3rd degree burns over 1/3 of my body so I have a bit of perspective.
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Darwin333
Originally posted by: jpeyton
You do realize an NYC firefighter was killed when he was struck by a jumper, right?Originally posted by: lykaon78
Originally posted by: ppdes
>one brave final decision to take control of how they would perish
There's no chance of surviving the jump and falling bodies can hurt others at the base of the building. What if you hit a doctor or a fireman who would have saved multiple people later had you not taken them out? Jumping is cowardly and despicable in this case.
Idiot
A good number of the jumpers probably didn't consciously make the decision to jump. As I stated earlier, when conditions deteriorate to a certain point (such as being burned alive) the lower brain can and will take action before you consciously consider them. Its a primitive brain response meant to keep us alive in extremely stressful situations (like the threat of being burned alive).
To the other poster who made the ignorant comment that jumping was cowardly and despicable, I am willing to bet that you have never been severely burned before. Well I have and I can promise you that, even if in full control, jumping to your death to avoid burning to death is not cowardice. I guarantee that if I put your ass in a room surrounded by insanely hot fire with no other way out you would have done the same exact thing. It doesn't matter how big of a man you think you are. You simply can not endure that kind of pain without taking drastic measures to get away from it.
I suffered 3rd degree burns over 1/3 of my body so I have a bit of perspective.
I also wonder how many were pushed intentionally and unintentionally because of the very same desperation? The windows were only one person wide and many people in small areas were probably desperate for fresh air with limited window space.
Originally posted by: mugs
Woah woah woah there slugger...
1. We did not kill more Japanese civilians than Hilter killed Jews.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties
580k Japanese civilian deaths; 6 million Jews died in the holocaust.
2. China suffered 16 million civilian deaths. Who were they fighting against?
3. Soviet Union had 11 million civilian deaths. Fighting against Germany.
4. Germany had 1.6 million civilian deaths during the American Reign of Terror.
5. It's great that we saved a lot of Japanese lives by nuking instead of invading, but I think we were more interested in saving American lives.
6. Japan was the aggressor. They could have surrendered when it became obvious that they were going to lose, but they kept fighting. They forced our hand. Japan's civilian death's are Japan's fault.
Originally posted by: nick1985
Originally posted by: EricMartello
Burning to death is probably one of the more painful ways to die, especially if you are slowly roasted and not quickly consumed in an explosive blast. The people who survived the initial crash could only be slowly burned, so jumping is simply the lesser of two evils in this case...10 seconds of fresh air then BAM, you're roadkill -instant death, no pain.
For some perspective, the US military dropped incendiary bombs on Japan during WWII - burning most of their major cities to the ground. The incendiary bombs killed many civilians, and unlike the tower jumpers, their only option was to experience Iron Chef from the food's perspective. The number of people killed by the atomic bombs pale in comparison to the numbers the US killed with incendiary bombs. So yeah, we lost the WTC but compared to the things we as a nation have done...if you can't take it, don't dish it out.
You do realize that by dropping the atom bombs we saved hundreds of thousands, if not millions of lives....right?
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: EricMartello
Originally posted by: nick1985
Originally posted by: EricMartello
Burning to death is probably one of the more painful ways to die, especially if you are slowly roasted and not quickly consumed in an explosive blast. The people who survived the initial crash could only be slowly burned, so jumping is simply the lesser of two evils in this case...10 seconds of fresh air then BAM, you're roadkill -instant death, no pain.
For some perspective, the US military dropped incendiary bombs on Japan during WWII - burning most of their major cities to the ground. The incendiary bombs killed many civilians, and unlike the tower jumpers, their only option was to experience Iron Chef from the food's perspective. The number of people killed by the atomic bombs pale in comparison to the numbers the US killed with incendiary bombs. So yeah, we lost the WTC but compared to the things we as a nation have done...if you can't take it, don't dish it out.
You do realize that by dropping the atom bombs we saved hundreds of thousands, if not millions of lives....right?
You do realize you ignored the part about the US Fire-bombing and killing many thousands of japanese civilians for the greater duration of the US involvement in WWII, which effectively negate any lives we "saved" by nuking them. Furthermore, your statement is based on heresay - it is highly unlikely that the Japanese could have mounted a substantial assault on the US at the time we decided to nuke them. At that point, their navy was in shambles, they were out of raw materials and most of their major cities were smoldering piles of ash. We killed more jap civilians than hitler killed jews...What I am saying is that the WTC was bad but the US has been responsible for far worse in the past and people need to understand that we as a country are far from innocent.
Woah woah woah there slugger...
1. We did not kill more Japanese civilians than Hilter killed Jews.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties
580k Japanese civilian deaths; 6 million Jews died in the holocaust.
2. China suffered 16 million civilian deaths. Who were they fighting against?
3. Soviet Union had 11 million civilian deaths. Fighting against Germany.
4. Germany had 1.6 million civilian deaths during the American Reign of Terror.
5. It's great that we saved a lot of Japanese lives by nuking instead of invading, but I think we were more interested in saving American lives.
6. Japan was the aggressor. They could have surrendered when it became obvious that they were going to lose, but they kept fighting. They forced our hand. Japan's civilian death's are Japan's fault.