9/11: a pilot explains why incompetent hijackers could not fly airliners

[rbrandon]

Next thing you know they will be blaming tsunami's on some secret conspiracy.

they already did that. oh, they blamed katrina on bush too

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: raildogg
It is shameful that Americans think that our government did this. Their false accusations have been proven wrong time and time again. It just shows their anti-American, pro-Islamic fundamentalist attitude.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but these are the same people defending terrorism commited by Islamic terrorists.

So once again, they're defending Osama and criticizing America for this.

But yeah, we're the true believers.

STOP Labeling people who distrust the government in this way..

Why the fvck should we trust the neo-con administration... look at their past dude.. they love war and want war and need war etc...

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Genx87
I can assure you WTC was not as armored as the pentagon.

And correct me if I am wrong but at least one of the planes that hit the WTC was a 767 which is larger and will bring more energy to the impact area.

Okay, so if the Pentagon is more armored, you're saying the wings and engine dropped right off at impact? If so, they would have been sitting on the front lawn and in plain view of every video and picture taken of the incident.

How strong do you think these things are? The wings like the fuselage would turn into dust on such an impact with very little left over and the jet fuel melting anything that survived.

You act like if the wings hit something they will come unglued and lay there in perfect condition.

Anyways here is some pics from inside the pentagon that shows a wheel strut and what looks like remains of one of the engines.

http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/photos/parts.html

It's ironic that the site you linked to debunks the official story of 9/11, counter to your viewpoint.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: raildogg
It is shameful that Americans think that our government did this. Their false accusations have been proven wrong time and time again. It just shows their anti-American, pro-Islamic fundamentalist attitude.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but these are the same people defending terrorism commited by Islamic terrorists.

So once again, they're defending Osama and criticizing America for this.

But yeah, we're the true believers.

STOP Labeling people who distrust the government in this way..

Why the fvck should we trust the neo-con administration... look at their past dude.. they love war and want war and need war etc...

There is a difference between distrusting the govt and blind guilibility at anything that can paint it in a bad light.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: rbrandon

Next thing you know they will be blaming tsunami's on some secret conspiracy.

they already did that. oh, they blamed katrina on bush too

Never have, never will. We only blamed the piss-poor response to Katrina on Bush, get it right 😀

 

[rbrandon]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: rbrandon
so let make it real simple then, since it seems you are extra slow today

where




are







the



passengers?

They







are







dead.

so let me get this right, it wasnt a missile that hit the pentagon, but a 757 loaded with passengers? finally, you get it

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Genx87
I can assure you WTC was not as armored as the pentagon.

And correct me if I am wrong but at least one of the planes that hit the WTC was a 767 which is larger and will bring more energy to the impact area.

Okay, so if the Pentagon is more armored, you're saying the wings and engine dropped right off at impact? If so, they would have been sitting on the front lawn and in plain view of every video and picture taken of the incident.

How strong do you think these things are? The wings like the fuselage would turn into dust on such an impact with very little left over and the jet fuel melting anything that survived.

You act like if the wings hit something they will come unglued and lay there in perfect condition.

Anyways here is some pics from inside the pentagon that shows a wheel strut and what looks like remains of one of the engines.

http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/photos/parts.html

It's ironic that the site you linked to debunks the official story of 9/11, counter to your viewpoint.

I dont really care what the site is about, just providing pictures to debunk your silly theory.

 

[astrosfan90]

I can't help myself, this thread needs this link.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: raildogg
It is shameful that Americans think that our government did this. Their false accusations have been proven wrong time and time again. It just shows their anti-American, pro-Islamic fundamentalist attitude.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but these are the same people defending terrorism commited by Islamic terrorists.

So once again, they're defending Osama and criticizing America for this.

But yeah, we're the true believers.

STOP Labeling people who distrust the government in this way..

Why the fvck should we trust the neo-con administration... look at their past dude.. they love war and want war and need war etc...

You're focusing on politics. Look beyong politics. On 9/11, I think all Americans felt the emotions whether they were Rs or Ds.

Whether you agree or disagree with the Bush administration does not matter. You would be an extremist if you really believe they murdered 3,000 Americans knowingly. These myths have been debunked. This subject is getting boring because everyone repeats the same old lines.

You cannot convince the radical leftists, their mind is already made up. America is always guilty in their mind, unless it is a Democrat running the show. Look beyond party lines.

Yes the Bush administration seems to like war, but weren't you for Afghanistan?

We should have taken out Afghanistan in the 90s but our leader back then had other issues to deal with.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: astrosfan90
I can't help myself, this thread needs this link.

That cat is protected from the Bush admins new plan to control felines across this nation to spy on their owners.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: raildogg
It is shameful that Americans think that our government did this. Their false accusations have been proven wrong time and time again. It just shows their anti-American, pro-Islamic fundamentalist attitude.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but these are the same people defending terrorism commited by Islamic terrorists.

So once again, they're defending Osama and criticizing America for this.

But yeah, we're the true believers.

STOP Labeling people who distrust the government in this way..

Why the fvck should we trust the neo-con administration... look at their past dude.. they love war and want war and need war etc...

You're focusing on politics. Look beyong politics. On 9/11, I think all Americans felt the emotions whether they were Rs or Ds.

Whether you agree or disagree with the Bush administration does not matter. You would be an extremist if you really believe they murdered 3,000 Americans knowingly. These myths have been debunked. This subject is getting boring because everyone repeats the same old lines.

You cannot convince the radical leftists, their mind is already made up. America is always guilty in their mind, unless it is a Democrat running the show. Look beyond party lines.

Yes the Bush administration seems to like war, but weren't you for Afghanistan?

We should have taken out Afghanistan in the 90s but our leader back then had other issues to deal with.

I remember the story of the female congreswoman or senator who asked "we need to find out why they hate us so much to want to do somethng like this" -- got labeled and told to shut her fcking mouth and that she was an unpatriotic whore leftist islamophile etc..

I think America needs a healthy amount of skepticism and even some conspiracy nuts..

The Truth is stranger than fiction

I do not trust neocons and I do not trust anything about this war in Iraq

Afghanistan was filled with dangerous Radical Islamists hell bent on forcing Islam down people throats or killing them.. Not true in Iraq.. Iraq had a very large population of christians who got along with the rest of the Muslims..

We attacked Iraq and labeled the deaths of 30,000+ of their citizens as war deaths instead of murders.. We had no right to do what we did to Iraq..

Our military versus theirs.. come on..

Oh well.. I am about to give up caring.. We are all toooo blind as citizens of this nation..

 

[jpeyton]

Okay, we're getting nowhere with the Pentagon.

How about the WTC?

Anyone care to explain why a FDNY firefighter who made it to the inferno at the WTC radioed back and said the fire could be put out with two lines? This radioed message was released to the public when the city of New York released recordings from 9/11 emergency crews.

How did the firefighter observe a supposed inferno that was hot enough to melt bare steel and furthermore said the fire could be put out by two lines?

Why was Kevin Ryan (who worked for a subsidiary of Underwriters Laboratories) fired after he sent an e-mail confirming that the steel used to build the WTC was certified and tested to withstand 2,000F heat, and would need long sustained temperatures of 3,000F to melt. Why has it been calculated that the hottest temperatures reached during the fire inside the WTC was ~500F, nowhere near hot enough, or burning long enough to melt the structure of the WTC.

Here are statements from three eye-witnesses that provide evidence that the heating due to the jet fuel was indeed minimal.

Donovan Cowan was in an open elevator at the 78th floor sky-lobby (one of the impact floors of the South Tower) when the aircraft hit. He has been quoted as saying: "We went into the elevator. As soon as I hit the button, that's when there was a big boom. We both got knocked down. I remember feeling this intense heat. The doors were still open. The heat lasted for maybe 15 to 20 seconds I guess. Then it stopped."

Stanley Praimnath was on the 81st floor of the South Tower: "The plane impacts. I try to get up and then I realize that I'm covered up to my shoulder in debris. And when I'm digging through under all this rubble, I can see the bottom wing starting to burn, and that wing is wedged 20 feet in my office doorway."

Ling Young was in her 78th floor office: "Only in my area were people alive, and the people alive were from my office. I figured that out later because I sat around in there for 10 or 15 minutes. That's how I got so burned."

Neither Stanley Praimnath nor Donovan Cowan nor Ling Young were cooked by the jet fuel fire. All three survived.

I guess its time to debunk the people who were actually inside the WTC and experienced the event firsthand on the impact floors. A fire that was hot enough to melt steel but cool enough to spare the lives of workers on the impact floors? Good luck on that one.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Yanno... there is one glaring flaw in this theory that semi- or untrained pilots could not have flown those planes or performed the manuevers required to line up and fly into the WTC...








Flight 93.








The passengers on Flight 93 gave us a play-by-play account of the actions of the terrorists AND the manuevers they were capable of putting the plane through. So, yes, Virginia... terrorists did fly those large planes into the WTC and Pentagon and they were capable of doing what they did.