8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

[BFG10K]

This thread was started in mid 2021 and is being retired/locked. As the OP is no longer active, or updating and maintaining it.

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8GB

• Dying Light 2, Battlefield 2042, Avatar Frontiers of Pandora, Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3, Starfield, Forza Horizon 5, Horizon Forbidden West, Alan Wake 2, The Last of Us, Tekken 8, FC 24, Detroit Become Human, Death Stranding, Alone in The Dark, Overwatch 2
  3060 12GB higher 1% low than 4060 8GB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIfz57wmywg
• Cyberpunk 2077, Diablo 4, Hogwarts Legacy, Horizon Zero Dawn, Microsoft Flight Sim 2020, Witcher 3, Watch Dogs Legion skip to 4K + DLSS for each game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPiaWWd0xGc
• Ratchet & Clank, Plague Tale Requiem, Last Of Us, Jedi Survivor, Far Cry 6, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Cyberpunk 2077 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr3MckDxMfE&pp=ygUTMTZnYiB2cyA4Z2IgNDA2MCB0aQ==
• Far Cry 6, Godfall, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Forspoken, Doom Eternal, Watchdogs Legion https://youtu.be/fJc--C01P90?t=268
• Last Of Us, Resident Evil 4, Callisto Protocol, Plague Tale Requiem, Halo Infinite, Forspoken https://youtu.be/2_Y3E631ro8?t=429
• Last Of Us, Hogwarts Legacy, Resident Evil 4, Forspoken, Plague Tale Requiem, Callisto Protocol https://youtu.be/Rh7kFgHe21k?t=288
• Hogwarts Legacy, Last Of Us, Spider Man Remastered, Doom Eternal, Forza Horizon 5 https://youtu.be/R943CbDTq_s?t=1473
• Horizon Forbidden West 4060 has issues @ 1080p + DLSS unless you switch off frame generation and reduce settings to high https://youtu.be/3AyKvI23VGw?t=233
• Horizon Forbidden West 3070 requires reducing textures 2 notches https://youtu.be/xTwEGy6HHKo?t=351
• Deathloop https://youtu.be/lu_XHyO-6zY?t=918
• Ghost Recon Breakpoint https://youtu.be/iUGppQVpXzU?t=529
• Resident Evil 2 https://youtu.be/Aa-gsgRjMII?t=796
• Talos Principle 2 https://youtu.be/K6FATQAuEwI?t=337
• Spider Man Remastered https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1060
• Witcher 3 https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1240

Horizon Forbidden West 3060 is faster than the 2080 Super despite the former usually competing with the 2070. Also 3060 has a better 1% low than 4060 and 4060Ti 8GB.

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Resident Evil Village 3060TI/3070 tanks at 4K and is slower than the 3060/6700XT when ray tracing:

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Company Of Heroes 3060 has a higher minimum than the 3070TI:

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10GB / 12GB

• Plague Tale Requiem 3080 10GB tanks if you enable ray tracing, would be fast enough if it had more VRAM because if you stop moving, the framerate stabilizes to >60FPS https://youtu.be/7zjrMww3fAc?t=496
• Hogwarts Legacy 4K + RT, 4060Ti 16GB is faster than 4070 12GB https://youtu.be/X-h_R488Mq8?t=191

Reasons why still shipping 8GB since 2014 isn't NV's fault.

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1. It's the player's fault.
2. It's the reviewer's fault.
3. It's the developer's fault.
4. It's AMD's fault.
5. It's the game's fault.
6. It's the driver's fault.
7. It's a system configuration issue.
8. Wrong settings were tested.
9. Wrong area was tested.
10. Wrong games were tested.
11. 4K is irrelevant.
12. Texture quality is irrelevant as long as it matches a console's.
13. Detail levels are irrelevant as long as they match a console's.
14. There's no reason a game should use more than 8GB, because a random forum user said so.
15. It's completely acceptable for the more expensive 3070/3070TI/3080 to turn down settings while the cheaper 3060/6700XT has no issue.
16. It's an anomaly.
17. It's a console port.
18. It's a conspiracy against NV.
19. 8GB cards aren't meant for 4K / 1440p / 1080p / 720p gaming.
20. It's completely acceptable to disable ray tracing on NV while AMD has no issue.
21. Polls, hardware market share, and game title count are evidence 8GB is enough, but are totally ignored when they don't suit the ray tracing agenda.

According to some people here, 8GB is neeeevaaaaah NV's fault and objective evidence "doesn't count" because of reasons(tm). If you have others please let me know and I'll add them to the list. Cheers!

 

[Ranulf]

Top video is private now? This game seems to be hitting all the trouble points. 8Gb vram min specs, always on RT apparently. Bad drivers with nvidia. Perf issues all around it looks like. But hey, streamers I'm watching are using 4090s, 5080s or 5090s and with frame gen maybe hit 120fps in 4k. 70fps at 4k with a 4090. Its also another game that wants a 8core cpu minimum.

I saw this on Steam forums, representing the current state of gaming, that or forum trolling:

"Why are people trying this without DLSS?
Just looking at some reviews before buying. I'm noticing a lot of the negative reviews complaining about performance don't use DLSS. Why would you do this?"

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Another heavily sloptimized title. 8GB requires turning down textures for 1080 high. It can be CPU heavy at times with a 12600k and 5600X struggling with certain settings and areas. 1080 badass on the 12600k stopped being able to keep up with the workload and assets took time to load in. End of Pedro's video here -

 

[Mopetar]

Good news 8GB VRAM enjoyers, this hot new title is nearly just as bad on 16 GB cards as it is on 8 GB cards.

"Why are people trying this without DLSS?
Just looking at some reviews before buying. I'm noticing a lot of the negative reviews complaining about performance don't use DLSS. Why would you do this?"

As Dylan once sang: "You're an idiot, babe. It's a wonder that you still know how to breathe."

These people are idiots. I just pray that they're not F'ing idiots because that would mean they're reproducing.

 

[marees]

Borderlands 4 1080p Native Badass settings performance comparison

Borderlands 4 Performance Benchmark Review - 30+ GPUs Tested

Borderlands 4 brings major improvements to gameplay, gunplay and character progression, while finally delivering a true open-world experience. Hardware requirements are steep, though. In our performance review, we examine its graphical fidelity, VRAM usage, and how well it runs on a variety of...

www.techpowerup.com

 

[ToTTenTranz]

It have a feeling Gearbox will be in for some "restructuring" if they don't solve performance soon. Their publishing ventures haven't been going great and if their golden goose doesn't bring in a ton of money, they're pretty much left to dry.

Their president also suffers from the issue of not being able to shut up and saying stuff that further alienate everyone, making everything worse.

 

[psolord]

Borderlands 4 1080p Native Badass settings performance comparison
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Borderlands 4 Performance Benchmark Review - 30+ GPUs Tested

Borderlands 4 brings major improvements to gameplay, gunplay and character progression, while finally delivering a true open-world experience. Hardware requirements are steep, though. In our performance review, we examine its graphical fidelity, VRAM usage, and how well it runs on a variety of...

www.techpowerup.com

Quoting the user but not responding to him personally.

These results are useless and only academic as usual. They are all unplayable for a first person shooter.

Hardware unboxed has also tested the medium preset, where it ACTUALLY gets playable.

4060ti, 5060ti and 9060XTs have no real difference for the 8GB and 16GB models.

On TPU, the 16GB 6900XT is at 47.7 fps for 1080p. I ain't seeing the video ram being a saving grace at all. We are nearing the end of 2025. What have I been telling you all along? Video ram ain't gonna save you, correct settings will. Well guess what happened?

ps the 12GB 3060 is at 40fps at 1080p medium, while the 8GB 3060ti is at 53fps. I ain't seeing the vram helping here either. With some dlss the 3060ti can provide a pretty good experience.

 

[igor_kavinski]

ps the 12GB 3060 is at 40fps at 1080p medium, while the 8GB 3060ti is at 53fps.

Quick: answer without engaging every neuron in your brain. You have limited money. What do you get? An 8GB card that sometimes proves its worth or 12GB card that mostly saves you from upgrading?

 

[marees]

Quick: answer without engaging every neuron in your brain. You have limited money. What do you get? An 8GB card that sometimes proves its worth or 12GB card that mostly saves you from upgrading?

I would go with guaranteed 40 fps & peace of mind

If you want the bragging rights you could go with a (nvidia) 8gb card

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Steve with a follow up on BL4 Sloptimization -

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He says Tim is working on their own optimization guide.

I don't think vram is worth complaining about, this game has much deeper issues. It could be the poster child for the juice not being worth the squeeze when it comes to visuals vs performance.

 

[jpiniero]

He says Tim is working on their own optimization guide.

I don't think vram is worth complaining about, this game has much deeper issues. It could be the poster child for the juice not being worth the squeeze when it comes to visuals vs performance.

VRAM usage doesn't appear to be all that high. Might just be that the max settings is too much.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

VRAM usage doesn't appear to be all that high. Might just be that the max settings is too much.

It's high enough that you have to keep the textures turned down even at 1080 with high for every other setting. We have been LOLing about it for years now; turning down textures on a $300-$400 card at 1080. Of course the game would still be a hot mess even if 8GB was enough for badass quality.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

Lol Techpowerup tried to run Borderlands 4 on the Steam Deck, and even in the Ally X the results were terrible.

Unfortunately, the game cannot reach 30 FPS even if you set temporal upscaling to "Ultra Performance" and spatial upscaling to "Performance."

We tried playing the game with the lowest settings and both upscaling options set to their lowest native resolution values and the game ran between 20 and 25 FPS while looking like a watercolor painting put through a vaseline filter.

And then Gearbox disabled upscalers when framegen is enabled:

Enabling frame generation requires disabling spatial upscaling and thus lowering the already poor base frame rate. Frame generation introduces a massive latency penalty, and while it shows higher numbers on the frame rate counter, it makes the already unplayable experience even worse.

In short, the Steam Deck cannot run Borderlands 4 at playable frame rates so we recommend skipping this one if you only own a Steam Deck, or playing it via GeForce Now.

And a bonus:

Don't forget that Denuvo—which the game ships with—counts different Proton versions as different PCs. We ended up being locked out of the game on our ROG Ally X because we messed with alternative Proton versions trying to improve performance and make the game run with MangoHud, the reason why our handheld performance review is arriving late. Denuvo's great, isn't it?

 

[ToTTenTranz]

Their president also suffers from the issue of not being able to shut up and saying stuff that further alienate everyone, making everything worse.

Point in case:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1966953086448185650

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Randy is suggesting refunds for players with "outdated systems". That's every system. Best thing gamers can do, is refund this sloptimized mess and others not buy it. Money will always be the only language they understand.

 

[jpiniero]

Randy is suggesting refunds for players with "outdated systems". That's every system. Best thing gamers can do, is refund this sloptimized mess and others not buy it. Money will always be the only language they understand.

The problem I think is that even if they set default settings lower on older machines... PC Gamers will just set it to the max. Then call the game garbage unoptimized when it runs badly.

I thought the lighting looked pretty good from the screenshots I saw.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

The problem I think is that even if they set default settings lower on older machines... PC Gamers will just set it to the max. Then call the game garbage unoptimized when it runs badly.

Nonsense. Stop victim blaming. It's sloptimized garbage. Readers added context is on point

https://twitter.com/x/status/1967424826697781446

 

[marees]

This takes optimal settings to a new level

If you are not happy with how BL4 is playing on your 5060 ti 8gb then change to BL3 !!

 

[jpiniero]

Nonsense. Stop victim blaming. It's sloptimized garbage. Readers added context is on point

It's entitlement more than anything else.

Why even have graphics settings if people are going to be mad if their machine can't run it at max?

 

[SolidQ]

Randy is suggesting refunds for players with "outdated systems".

More like outdated Randy.
Here Star Wars Battlefront 2 looks better, than BL4, and runnning much much better on RTX 4060

 

[DAPUNISHER]

The 3060 12GB is probably the best selling card of the 2020s. Pedro showing how sloptimized the game is -

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[WelshBloke]

I have Borderlands 4 running on Linux if anyone is interested in a few benchmarks with that?
PC is 5800x3d, 6950xt, 64gb ram. Running the steam version of Borderlands 4 using proton 10 beta on Zorin Linux (which is based on stable Ubuntu I think).
I'm a bit busy with work for the next few days but I could run some benches Wednesday evening if anyone is interested.
That's assuming that there isn't a patch that breaks my install in the next few days!

 

[jpiniero]

Well, here's the game running on a PS5 Pro. It doesn't look anywhere near Badass, esp the lighting... but they chose appropriate settings for 60 fps at least.

 

[coercitiv]

It's entitlement more than anything else.

You need a major reality check. The art style of this game is of such nature that system requirements should be extremely manageable for a modern system. It's supposed to be a cartoon shooter.

Well, here's the game running on a PS5 Pro. It doesn't look anywhere near Badass

The RTX 4090 cannot stay above 60FPS at 4K Medium settings.



It takes 1440p MEDIUM and a 5090 to hit 120 FPS for a modern FPS gaming experience.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I have Borderlands 4 running on Linux if anyone is interested in a few benchmarks with that?
PC is 5800x3d, 6950xt, 64gb ram. Running the steam version of Borderlands 4 using proton 10 beta on Zorin Linux (which is based on stable Ubuntu I think).
I'm a bit busy with work for the next few days but I could run some benches Wednesday evening if anyone is interested.
That's assuming that there isn't a patch that breaks my install in the next few days!

Look forward to your results. Seeing some games run one, sometimes entire tiers of GPU faster on a distro than the same AMD system in windows, maybe this is one of those literal game changers?

 

[marees]

You need a major reality check. The art style of this game is of such nature that system requirements should be extremely manageable for a modern system. It's supposed to be a cartoon shooter.


The RTX 4090 cannot stay above 60FPS at 4K Medium settings.

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It looks like they made some sub optimal choices (as opposed to KCD2)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1892612290836316541