8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

[BFG10K]

8GB

• Dying Light 2, Battlefield 2042, Avatar Frontiers of Pandora, Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3, Starfield, Forza Horizon 5, Horizon Forbidden West, Alan Wake 2, The Last of Us, Tekken 8, FC 24, Detroit Become Human, Death Stranding, Alone in The Dark, Overwatch 2
  3060 12GB higher 1% low than 4060 8GB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIfz57wmywg
• Cyberpunk 2077, Diablo 4, Hogwarts Legacy, Horizon Zero Dawn, Microsoft Flight Sim 2020, Witcher 3, Watch Dogs Legion skip to 4K + DLSS for each game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPiaWWd0xGc
• Ratchet & Clank, Plague Tale Requiem, Last Of Us, Jedi Survivor, Far Cry 6, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Cyberpunk 2077 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr3MckDxMfE&pp=ygUTMTZnYiB2cyA4Z2IgNDA2MCB0aQ==
• Far Cry 6, Godfall, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Forspoken, Doom Eternal, Watchdogs Legion https://youtu.be/fJc--C01P90?t=268
• Last Of Us, Resident Evil 4, Callisto Protocol, Plague Tale Requiem, Halo Infinite, Forspoken https://youtu.be/2_Y3E631ro8?t=429
• Last Of Us, Hogwarts Legacy, Resident Evil 4, Forspoken, Plague Tale Requiem, Callisto Protocol https://youtu.be/Rh7kFgHe21k?t=288
• Hogwarts Legacy, Last Of Us, Spider Man Remastered, Doom Eternal, Forza Horizon 5 https://youtu.be/R943CbDTq_s?t=1473
• Horizon Forbidden West 4060 has issues @ 1080p + DLSS unless you switch off frame generation and reduce settings to high https://youtu.be/3AyKvI23VGw?t=233
• Horizon Forbidden West 3070 requires reducing textures 2 notches https://youtu.be/xTwEGy6HHKo?t=351
• Deathloop https://youtu.be/lu_XHyO-6zY?t=918
• Ghost Recon Breakpoint https://youtu.be/iUGppQVpXzU?t=529
• Resident Evil 2 https://youtu.be/Aa-gsgRjMII?t=796
• Talos Principle 2 https://youtu.be/K6FATQAuEwI?t=337
• Spider Man Remastered https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1060
• Witcher 3 https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1240

Horizon Forbidden West 3060 is faster than the 2080 Super despite the former usually competing with the 2070. Also 3060 has a better 1% low than 4060 and 4060Ti 8GB.

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Resident Evil Village 3060TI/3070 tanks at 4K and is slower than the 3060/6700XT when ray tracing:

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Company Of Heroes 3060 has a higher minimum than the 3070TI:

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10GB / 12GB

• Plague Tale Requiem 3080 10GB tanks if you enable ray tracing, would be fast enough if it had more VRAM because if you stop moving, the framerate stabilizes to >60FPS https://youtu.be/7zjrMww3fAc?t=496
• Hogwarts Legacy 4K + RT, 4060Ti 16GB is faster than 4070 12GB https://youtu.be/X-h_R488Mq8?t=191

Reasons why still shipping 8GB since 2014 isn't NV's fault.

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1. It's the player's fault.
2. It's the reviewer's fault.
3. It's the developer's fault.
4. It's AMD's fault.
5. It's the game's fault.
6. It's the driver's fault.
7. It's a system configuration issue.
8. Wrong settings were tested.
9. Wrong area was tested.
10. Wrong games were tested.
11. 4K is irrelevant.
12. Texture quality is irrelevant as long as it matches a console's.
13. Detail levels are irrelevant as long as they match a console's.
14. There's no reason a game should use more than 8GB, because a random forum user said so.
15. It's completely acceptable for the more expensive 3070/3070TI/3080 to turn down settings while the cheaper 3060/6700XT has no issue.
16. It's an anomaly.
17. It's a console port.
18. It's a conspiracy against NV.
19. 8GB cards aren't meant for 4K / 1440p / 1080p / 720p gaming.
20. It's completely acceptable to disable ray tracing on NV while AMD has no issue.
21. Polls, hardware market share, and game title count are evidence 8GB is enough, but are totally ignored when they don't suit the ray tracing agenda.

According to some people here, 8GB is neeeevaaaaah NV's fault and objective evidence "doesn't count" because of reasons(tm). If you have others please let me know and I'll add them to the list. Cheers!

 

[aigomorla]

Wanting to hit specific price points.

thats so stupid... seeing how u can 2 x 8GB modules for 15 dollars , which means vendors can get them a lot cheaper.

ebay link

I wish they would make it so they were servicable and we could just slot them as we need them.

 

[igor_kavinski]

I wish they would make it so they were servicable and we could just slot them as we need them.

Hence this thread: https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/an-idea-on-how-intel-could-disrupt-the-gpu-space.2630905/

 

[MrTeal]

Seems like the market is speaking on the AMD side here in Canada. Finding a 16GB 9060 XT at MSRP is a challenge, though they're in stock at about a $30 AIB premium. There's big cuts under MSRP on the 8GB ones though; one chain retailer has a base 8GB Powercolor model on sale for CA$350 / US$250 with lots of in store stock.

 

[marees]

Seems like the market is speaking on the AMD side here in Canada. Finding a 16GB 9060 XT at MSRP is a challenge, though they're in stock at about a $30 AIB premium. There's big cuts under MSRP on the 8GB ones though; one chain retailer has a base 8GB Powercolor model on sale for CA$350 / US$250 with lots of in store stock.

I would imagine once the current stock of 9060xt 8gb on the shelves are sold out then AMD would release the rest of the chips as 9060 non-xt for $250 (the cheaper vram speed should also help)

The original decision to release 8gb 9060xt was like shooting its own feet

 

[SolidQ]

Holy optimization

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Holy optimization

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WITAF? Completely GPU bound at 1080 epic? That can't be right...

 

[igor_kavinski]

WITAF? Completely GPU bound at 1080 epic? That can't be right...

Well, it IS the Epic setting

The graphics difference between HIGH and EPIC isn't worth punishing your GPU, even if you want it to die. Just saying

Gotta say though, purrty graphics, as in, they make me wanna purr with sheer delight!

 

[marees]

AMD now has a replacement for the board powered RX 6400 xt

AMD launches 28 CU 43/55 watt 8gb 7400 xt

https://www.amd.com/en/products/graphics/desktops/radeon/7000-series/amd-radeon-rx-7400.html

Like the PRO W7400, the RX 7400 uses a castrated version of the "Navi 33" GPU, enabling a 28CU (1792SP) GPU core, equipped with 8GB of 10.8Gbps equivalent rate GDDR6 video memory with a 128-bit bit width, and the GPU core frequency runs at 1100MHz.

The Radeon RX 7400 graphics card has a GPU power consumption cap of 43W, a TBP power consumption of 55W for the entire card , and a reference design with a single-slot length of 167mm and a thickness of 167mm.

AMD 正式推出 Radeon RX 7400 显卡，硬件规格与 PRO W7400 一致 - IT之家

该显卡拥有 28CU (1792SP) 规模 GPU 核心，配备 128bit 位宽的 8GB 容量 10.8Gbps 等效速率 GDDR6 显存。

m-ithome-com.translate.goog

 

[aigomorla]

Well, it IS the Epic setting

The graphics difference between HIGH and EPIC isn't worth punishing your GPU, even if you want it to die. Just saying

Gotta say though, purrty graphics, as in, they make me wanna purr with sheer delight!

incoming.. can it run crysis meme....

 

[KMFJD]

Go to China and have them add ram to your card? would 48GB be good? (@ 3:14 he goes to a shop that disassembles and re-assembles nvidia cards)

 

[Mopetar]

Go to China and have them add ram to your card? would 48GB be good? (@ 3:14 he goes to a shop that disassembles and re-assembles nvidia cards)

Let me know when I can just download the additional RAM like back in the good old days.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

AMD now has a replacement for the board powered RX 6400 xt

Get the price right on the 8GB version and it will be great for rehabbing older office PCs.

 

[aigomorla]

Let me know when I can just download the additional RAM like back in the good old days.

nonono ... we had to use a solder pen and highlight mark a trace to bypass a fuse so it would activate.

 

[MrPickins]

Go to China and have them add ram to your card? would 48GB be good? (@ 3:14 he goes to a shop that disassembles and re-assembles nvidia cards)

Looks like they're using the cheapest components they can find, at least in some of the rebuilds:

 

[marees]

Only the benchmarks (& not the playing experience as explained by Jarred Walton in an earlier comment)



The RTX 5060 Ti 8GB can offer comparable performance to the 16GB in our gaming test suite, but only at 1080p medium settings. Everywhere else, the 16GB model has the edge.

Is 8GB of VRAM enough for gaming? GeForce RTX 5060 Ti 8GB vs RTX 5060 Ti 16GB GPU face-off — how much difference does twice the memory make for the same chip?

How much VRAM do you really need?

www.tomshardware.com

 

[DAPUNISHER]

^ That's exactly what we expect in 2025. 1080 medium for $300-$400 8GB models. 👎 Compute is there, so that talking point is dead. There was just a 3080 10GB in the FS/FT forum for $300. I'd take my chances with that over the 5060 even NIB with warranty.

 

[Mopetar]

The RTX 5060 Ti 8GB can offer comparable performance to the 16GB in our gaming test suite, but only at 1080p medium settings. Everywhere else, the 16GB model has the edge.

Ah 1080p Medium, the correctest of settings.

 

[Ranulf]

Medium-medium low, the just riiight setting.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Medium-medium low, the just riiight setting.

I will miss the "It ain't be got the compute for it!" counter the most. What's the 5060 tie 8GB excuse again?