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Horizon Forbidden West 3060 is faster than the 2080 Super despite the former usually competing with the 2070. Also 3060 has a better 1% low than 4060 and 4060Ti 8GB.
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Resident Evil Village 3060TI/3070 tanks at 4K and is slower than the 3060/6700XT when ray tracing:
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Company Of Heroes 3060 has a higher minimum than the 3070TI:
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10GB / 12GB

Reasons why still shipping 8GB since 2014 isn't NV's fault.
  1. It's the player's fault.
  2. It's the reviewer's fault.
  3. It's the developer's fault.
  4. It's AMD's fault.
  5. It's the game's fault.
  6. It's the driver's fault.
  7. It's a system configuration issue.
  8. Wrong settings were tested.
  9. Wrong area was tested.
  10. Wrong games were tested.
  11. 4K is irrelevant.
  12. Texture quality is irrelevant as long as it matches a console's.
  13. Detail levels are irrelevant as long as they match a console's.
  14. There's no reason a game should use more than 8GB, because a random forum user said so.
  15. It's completely acceptable for the more expensive 3070/3070TI/3080 to turn down settings while the cheaper 3060/6700XT has no issue.
  16. It's an anomaly.
  17. It's a console port.
  18. It's a conspiracy against NV.
  19. 8GB cards aren't meant for 4K / 1440p / 1080p / 720p gaming.
  20. It's completely acceptable to disable ray tracing on NV while AMD has no issue.
  21. Polls, hardware market share, and game title count are evidence 8GB is enough, but are totally ignored when they don't suit the ray tracing agenda.
According to some people here, 8GB is neeeevaaaaah NV's fault and objective evidence "doesn't count" because of reasons(tm). If you have others please let me know and I'll add them to the list. Cheers!
 
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jpiniero said:
It's crappy but you can still should be able to play everything. Albeit at lower settings.
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But they could've given it the performance of a 3060 Ti. Moved the performance up a notch. Don't we deserve that? Don't their loyal gamer fans deserve that gift? Would not have hurt their profits much.
 
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igor_kavinski said:
But they could've given it the power of a 3060 Ti. Moved the performance up a notch. Don't we deserve that? Don't their loyal gamer fans deserve that gift? Would not have hurt their profits much.
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It wouldn't be $249 then. That's what OEMs care about.
 
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coercitiv said:
I like how you start telling us how you really feel: a "cheapskates" here, a "below low end" card there.
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I have seen this as a persistent campaign to shape perceptions for quite a long time now, starting with the $100 for 4GB Vram claims some years ago, as a justification for high prices. Quite insidious, in my view.

The change from "sub-entry level", an oxymoronic statement in itself, to "below low end" is an improvement in messaging, I guess.
 
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Why is anyone surprised that a channel and reviewer with a long history of consumer advocacy is pointing out yet another example of companies behaving badly or releasing products that are traps that will screw unsuspecting consumers?

Most posters here are savvy enough to know better than to buy a card like this or they are fully aware of what they are getting but understand that it is suitable for what they need it for and won't be caught by surprise two years down the road.

However, your average consumer has little understanding of computers even to this day. The see more MHz (or GHz now I suppose) or a bigger number/bar and assume it must be better. They gobble up empty marketing terms they have even less understanding of and are easily roped in to foolish purchasing decisions. Most of them would probably try to download more RAM if they saw an ad for it.

Are 8 GB cards like the 5050, 5060 Ti, 9050, or 9060 XT completely purposeless? No, but they're a bad card for 99% of consumers. The Steves may be a bit hyperbolic by using terms like "waste of sand" but they're competing against complete BS bar graphs and other marketing that's just as bad, so I think that language is warranted. When AMD and Nvidia tone down their own outrageous statements, the tech press can follow suit.
 
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maddie said:
I have seen this as a persistent campaign to shape perceptions for quite a long time now, starting with the $100 for 4GB Vram claims some years ago, as a justification for high prices. Quite insidious, in my view.

The change from "sub-entry level", an oxymoronic statement in itself, to "below low end" is an improvement in messaging, I guess.
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They have been leaning hard on the shoot the messenger fallacy since 50 series released.

For anyone that actually watched the video, Steve was explicit about it not being engagement angry, but genuinely angry and why. He went on about how GN will be fine, plenty of other content for them to make a buck from. His concern is for PC gaming and what Nvidia is doing to it.

Not enough time being spent on just how bad Nvidia drivers are. Jarred mentioned he stopped testing Minecraft because Nvidia still hasn't fixed the drivers months later, and he gets whacky results from their products. I don't usually read Tom's reviews, haven't since the 2000s, but I am curious if he covered those issues in the articles, or we are only finding out now after he retired?
 
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DAPUNISHER said:
but I am curious if he covered those issues in the articles, or we are only finding out now after he retired?
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I don't remember him covering this but this was probably one amongst the pile of reasons that made him quit

His tone over period of time seemed to have become grumpier & grumpier. And he is probably relieved that he doesn't have to do such a "thankless" job anymore. The novelty of tech in general & GPUs in particular could have worn out on him
 
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marees said:
And he is probably relieved that he doesn't have to do such a "thankless" job anymore.
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Yeah, it's a very painstaking job that eventually takes its toll on you no matter how much of a hardware enthusiast you are. Scott Wasson of TechReport fame also went through the same burnout and eventually sold his website. I considered him almost on the same level as Anand (his most famous article was "inside the second" where he delved into frametimes. Now gone of course. Wiped by the new website owner).

 
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igor_kavinski said:
Yeah, it's a very painstaking job that eventually takes its toll on you no matter how much of a hardware enthusiast you are. Scott Wasson of TechReport fame also went through the same burnout and eventually sold his website. I considered him almost on the same level as Anand (his most famous article was "inside the second" where he delved into frametimes. Now gone of course. Wiped by the new website owner).

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He and Anand both bailed for corpo jobs. Hardly the same situation. Jarred experienced the opposite; Corpo overlords acquired the biz he worked for and made staying untenable.

I saw PCWorld interviewing customers at the latest Microcenter opening. He was asking which brands they were buying. He asked this one couple, and the girl responded she did not know much. But when we go back to them for the which video card question, she exclaimed NVIDIA! Apple cult status achieved. They will pony up for whatever big green is charging. When they find out they need to swap cards in 2 years? The attitude will be - like my iPhone right?
 
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igor_kavinski said:
Yeah, it's a very painstaking job that eventually takes its toll on you no matter how much of a hardware enthusiast you are. Scott Wasson of TechReport fame also went through the same burnout and eventually sold his website. I considered him almost on the same level as Anand (his most famous article was "inside the second" where he delved into frametimes. Now gone of course. Wiped by the new website owner).
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You might want to double-check that, because the SSD endurance trial article is still up:
techreport.com

The SSD Endurance Experiment: They're All Dead

Meet the SSD endurance experiment, which took Techreport 18 months to complete. Learn which SSD turned out to be the most reliable.
techreport.com techreport.com

Is this the article you mean?:
techreport.com

Inside the second: FPS & a new look at game benchmarking

Discover why FPS isn’t the full story. Learn how frame times reveal hidden GPU performance issues and why they matter more than averages.
techreport.com techreport.com
 
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Is this the article you mean?:
techreport.com

Inside the second: FPS & a new look at game benchmarking

Discover why FPS isn’t the full story. Learn how frame times reveal hidden GPU performance issues and why they matter more than averages.
techreport.com techreport.com
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They keep changing the website. Some time ago it was all about crypto and lotto and what not. Good that they put up some of the great articles back. The original URL isn't working: http://techreport.com/review/23246/inside-the-second-gaming-performance-with-today-cpus/1
 
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2 random GPU related news:

1. GeForce GTX 1070 Laptop GPU launched with 8GB of VRAM ........ 9 years later, 5070 laptop GPU has still only 8GB of VRAM.

https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/1lmtbzi/fun_fact_1070_laptop_gpu_launched_with_8gb_of_vram

2. Sovereign AI

wccftech.com

NVIDIA Has Quietly Moved Away From Big Tech as Its Dominant Business Driver — Sovereign AI Will Be Its Next Trillion-Dollar Opportunity

NVIDIA's reliance on Big Tech is indeed ending, as under Jensen's vision, Team Green is opting for a broader strategy.
wccftech.com wccftech.com
 
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Consumers have wisened up

Gamers Reject RTX 5060 Ti 8 GB — Outsold 16:1 by 16 GB Model​

by AleksandarK Yesterday, 21:24 Discuss (61 Comments)
According to the only publicly available sales data from one of Germany's largest retailers, Mindfactory.de, we gain insight into the sales of NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 5060 Ti 16 GB and 8 GB models. According to the sum of the units sold, the 16 GB version of the GeForce RTX 5060 Ti is outselling the 8 GB version by more than 16 times, which represents a 1,600% difference. Mindfactory lists each GeForce RTX 5060 Ti model with a tag indicating the number of units sold, showing how many units were sold to customers of a specific model. This includes every model that Mindfactory offers, including SKUs from MSI, GIGABYTE, INNO3D, Palit, ZOTAC, ASUS, and other AIC partners. At the time of writing, the 8 GB version of the GeForce RTX 5060 Ti model has been sold in 105 instances, compared to 1675 units sold of the 16 GB version

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1940311667801563326
 
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marees said:
Consumers have wisened up
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Mindfactory is a strange place though. At Amazon, the gap isn't that big although the bulk of the 5060 Ti 8 GB sales is with the one MSRP model Amazon has. And the 5060 appears to be selling... at least somewhat.

The price obviously helps.
 
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jpiniero said:
Mindfactory is a strange place though. At Amazon, the gap isn't that big although the bulk of the 5060 Ti 8 GB sales is with the one MSRP model Amazon has. And the 5060 appears to be selling... at least somewhat.

The price obviously helps.
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I'd say that MindFactory customers are a bit more tech savvy, but you'd expect that group of customers to be more discerning than those on Amazon or some other retailer that has a much broader customer base.
 
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Wait, low end GPUs are losing performance with each new generation?
Seeing 5060 lose to 4060 is intriguing.
 
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I was going to say that maybe the 5060 losing to its predecessors will be an issue ironed out with more mature drivers, but it's somewhat concerning when a company with all the advantages (absolute market share dominance, economic state of the company, etc) can't test a product line sufficiently that it falls the moment it leaves the gate.
 
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mikeymikec said:
but it's somewhat concerning when a company with all the advantages (absolute market share dominance, economic state of the company, etc) can't test a product line sufficiently that it falls the moment it leaves the gate.
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Not at all. This is what Intel did at their peak. Stopped caring about their product and serving their customer base.

I hope Nvidia crashes in one day. Puts arrogant millionaires on the street.
 
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