8800GTX Tested in SLI

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: Centurin
I would buy a 8800GTS for $400 bucks in a heartbeat, but I highly doubt you'll see it for less than $500.

Maybe at launch... I just don't think they will sell many GTS cards if the price isn't right though. If those benchmarks are accurate, the GTS can only win in the price/performance category. Honestly though, based on what we "know" now even $400 isn't exactly a steal for this card considering you can get an X1950XTX for $380 AMIR today. The only thing that the GTS has over the XTX is the ability to run DX10 (and we don't know how well yet) and 16xAA for a single card, but probably not the muscle to do it in most newer games. Now, when it hits $350, a GTS SLI rig would be sweet for $700...

Like I said, it all depends on how much they end up charging for it. Price it right, like the 7900GT, and watch them fly off the shelves (like the 7900GT)...

 

[Dethfrumbelo]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: Centurin
I would buy a 8800GTS for $400 bucks in a heartbeat, but I highly doubt you'll see it for less than $500.

Maybe at launch... I just don't think they will sell many GTS cards if the price isn't right though. If those benchmarks are accurate, the GTS can only win in the price/performance category. Honestly though, based on what we "know" now even $400 isn't exactly a steal for this card considering you can get an X1950XTX for $380 AMIR today. The only thing that the GTS has over the XTX is the ability to run DX10 (and we don't know how well yet) and 16xAA for a single card, but probably not the muscle to do it in most newer games. Now, when it hits $350, a GTS SLI rig would be sweet for $700...

Like I said, it all depends on how much they end up charging for it. Price it right, like the 7900GT, and watch them fly off the shelves (like the 7900GT)...

Agreed. The only thing that makes it attractive at this point is the performance in Oblivion/Gothic 3, and the new AA/AF.

$450, I don't think so. $400 is fair. For $350 they'll fly off the shelves.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: Dethfrumbelo

$450, I don't think so. $400 is fair. For $350 they'll fly off the shelves.

Just in time for black friday sale! maybe it'll be one of the door buster items??

 

[jiffylube1024]

ATI you are not my match! Unified overhead construction NVIDIA G80 whole world first round

^ I love the title given to the article by Altavista Translate! So dramatic, so nonsensical in English .



8800GTX puts in a damn good show - it just dominates the competition at everything, pulls away once AA is turned on or once the resolution gets high. Looks like it will be everything promised.

On the other hand, the 8800GTS looks to be an utter disappointment - it matches the X1950XTX on virtually all of the benchmarks, only pulling away by ~10% occasionally [except Oblivion, where it does pull away].

Hopefully the GTS is available for $400 or less.

 

[Nightmare225]

Originally posted by: jiffylube1024

ATI you are not my match! Unified overhead construction NVIDIA G80 whole world first round

^ I love the title given to the article by Altavista Translate! So dramatic, so nonsensical in English .



8800GTX puts in a damn good show - it just dominates the competition at everything, pulls away once AA is turned on or once the resolution gets high. Looks like it will be everything promised.

On the other hand, the 8800GTS looks to be an utter disappointment - it matches the X1950XTX on virtually all of the benchmarks, only pulling away by ~10% occasionally [except Oblivion, where it does pull away].

Hopefully the GTS is available for $400 or less.

I said that the GTS would be severely crippled by the missing shaders and memory, and it looks like I was right. Hopefully ordering a GTX tmrw.

 

[Elfear]

I was a little disappointed with the 8800GTX performance to tell you the truth. I'm glad it's better than the "X1950XTX + 30%" rumors, but I was expecting it to equal Crossfire performance. It will in some titles (Oblivion for sure) but the others it's looking a little weak. Hopefully results from other sights will be better and/or drivers will mature a bit and add some performance.

 

[josh6079]

I was a little disappointed with the 8800GTX performance to tell you the truth. I'm glad it's better than the "X1950XTX + 30%" rumors, but I was expecting it to equal Crossfire performance.

Well yeah, it not going to be greater than or equal to an X1950XTX CrossFire in every game. However it is one card going against two very good ATi GPU's. Such performance is similar to what attracted me to the X1900XTX compared to the 7800GT's and with the better AF than the R5** series it's a solid improvement IMO.

The only thing that I have left to be fulfilled is it's HDR+AA. Hopefully they spent the R&D into implementing it into DX9 as well as DX10, but from what I've heard they very well may forget about HDR+AA for DX9.

 

[hans007]

well its probably going to win in most shader bound games. but in games that need raw pixlel pushing like say older games, like quake 4 it probably will not because it only has what 24 rops

 

[gramboh]

Crossifre 1950XTX is about $800US no? If 8800GTX is $700US or less I guess you could consider it a good value, you also have to tack on the benefit of:

1) Single card - less space taken up

2) Less power draw/less heat generation/don't need a ridicolous PSU to run it

3) Don't have the deal with the pain of Crossfire/SLI profiles/driver/display issues

 

[Elfear]

Originally posted by: gramboh
Crossifre 1950XTX is about $800US no? If 8800GTX is $700US or less I guess you could consider it a good value, you also have to tack on the benefit of:

1) Single card - less space taken up

2) Less power draw/less heat generation/don't need a ridicolous PSU to run it

3) Don't have the deal with the pain of Crossfire/SLI profiles/driver/display issues

This is true for the most part but you can get X1900XT Crossfire for ~$600-630. If 8800GTX stays in the $700 range (depending on how much availability there is at launch) than it may be a viable alternative. Although I agree with you that one card is better than two.

 

[josh6079]

Especially when SLI still has Vsync plagues.

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: josh6079
The only thing that I have left to be fulfilled is it's HDR+AA. Hopefully they spent the R&D into implementing it into DX9 as well as DX10, but from what I've heard they very well may forget about HDR+AA for DX9.

Is this true?? WHere did you hear this?

 

[BFG10K]

I'm amazed how well the X1950 holds up in that Chinese preview.

 

[josh6079]

Is this true?? WHere did you hear this?

From Gstanfor in this thread..

It would be expensive for us to try and do it in hardware, and it wouldn't really make sense - it doesn't make sense, going into the future, for us to keep applying AA at the hardware level. What will happen is that as games are created for HDR, AA will be done in-engine according to the specification of the developer.

Like I said, I hope nVidia doesn't skip out on DX9's HDR+AA and save that feature for DX10 alone. I honestly don't think they will, but I don't like the broken Control panels and every bench preview not doing AA and HDR. I know ATi didn't exactly have HDR+AA right from the start with the X1k series launch and that it took them a little bit to add it, but the times are different now and I think nVidia's driver team are more talented than ATi's.

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: josh6079

Is this true?? WHere did you hear this?

From Gstanfor in this thread..

It would be expensive for us to try and do it in hardware, and it wouldn't really make sense - it doesn't make sense, going into the future, for us to keep applying AA at the hardware level. What will happen is that as games are created for HDR, AA will be done in-engine according to the specification of the developer.

Like I said, I hope nVidia doesn't skip out on DX9's HDR+AA and save that feature for DX10 alone. I honestly don't think they will, but I don't like the broken Control panels and every bench preview not doing AA and HDR. I know ATi didn't exactly have HDR+AA right from the start with the X1k series launch and that it took them a little bit to add it, but the times are different now and I think nVidia's driver team are more talented than ATi's.

That will definitely not be good. I might think twice about G80 now...especially if it's not possible at all in hardware like G70/71. If it's possible but just has to be enabled ( a la Chuck patch) then that's fine...but if it's a hardware limitation I think I'll buy an ATI card instead since I only game at 1280x1024 anyway.

 

[josh6079]

We'll find out in less than 24 hours.

 

[Dethfrumbelo]

Originally posted by: josh6079
We'll find out in less than 24 hours.

Actually, more like 4 hours.

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: Dethfrumbelo

Originally posted by: josh6079
We'll find out in less than 24 hours.

Actually, more like 4 hours.

...which is still less than 24 hours.

 

[nealh]

Am I the only person that thinks a $650 videocard by any company is crazy....

 

[redbox]

Originally posted by: josh6079

Originally posted by: Dethfrumbelo

Originally posted by: josh6079
We'll find out in less than 24 hours.

Actually, more like 4 hours.

...which is still less than 24 hours.

Guess we'll find out in less than a year.

 

[Matt2]

I think we'll get HDR+AA with G80 and I dont give a rat's arse if it's done in hardware or through software as long as the IQ + performance is there. At least its not like the G70/71 where HDR+AA was completely out of the question because the hardware couldnt do it.

Hell, my X1900XTX still cant perform HDR+AA in all HDR games.

 

[josh6079]

I think we'll get HDR+AA with G80 and I dont give a rat's arse if it's done in hardware or through software as long as the IQ + performance is there.

I do. If it can do it but not on DX9 applications that will be a big turn-off.

We can already tell that some of the newer games emerging are going to make G80 variants cry. It got a minimum of 11 frames per second in Cell factor here and that was without AA.

G80's DX9 performance and it's DX9 IQ are going to be 90% of the reason why people buy it. I hope they didn't just skip HDR+AA with DX9 altogether.

 

[Nightmare225]

Originally posted by: josh6079

I think we'll get HDR+AA with G80 and I dont give a rat's arse if it's done in hardware or through software as long as the IQ + performance is there.

I do. If it can do it but not on DX9 applications that will be a big turn-off.

We can already tell that some of the newer games emerging are going to make G80 variants cry. It got a minimum of 11 frames per second in Cell factor here and that was without AA.

G80's DX9 performance and it's DX9 IQ are going to be 90% of the reason why people buy it. I hope they didn't just skip HDR+AA with DX9 altogether.

God, I feel like a kid sitting near the christmas tree, seeing if Santa brought the goods or no.

 

[Munky]

I see no reason why the hardware could do HDR+AA in DX10 but not in DX9. Technically, if the hardware can perform MSAA on FP render targets, then is can do so regardless of which API is in use, whether it's DX9, DX10, or OpenGL, because the same hardware gets used across all 3 API's. If for some reason the drivers or software limits this functionality to DX10 only, then either the hardware can't really do HDR+AA, or it's an intentional limitation.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Who said its only limited to DX10?

Kind of makes no sense but more liek FUD to me. ITs like the same rumours of nVIDIA not using angle indepedent AF.
Just to heat things up..

From the G80 PDF (thanks to CJ from b3d)

Link

The GeForce 8800 GTX is not only the first shipping DirectX 10 GPU, but it was also the reference GPU for DirectX 10 API development and certification.

Funny if apoppin saw this.