8800 GTX w/ 24' or 30' LCD

[orbster556]

I am probably going to be purchasing an 8800 card and would also like to replace my current display. I am trying to decide between a 24' or 30' Dell LCD. Initially I was going to go with the 30' because it offered more real estate and supported a higher resolution. However, two factors have recently made me question my decision:

1)Concern over whether I will be able to run future DX10 games in 2500x1980...While I know I can run current games, I am worried that when DX10 game start to appear they will be too taxing to operate in such resolutions. If I opt for the lower native resolution of the 24' I feel I won't have to worry about this as much...

2)Concern that if I try to hook up my xbox360 the image quality will be terrible because the 360 does not support 2500x1980 resolutions with the maximum supported being 1920x1080...I've been on some forums and the responses have been mostly useless with some suggesting that I wouldn't even be able to play. I take this with a grain of salt--as it seems that 14 yr olds idiots are ubiquitous on so many of 360 forums--but I am still worried that getting a quality image will be a problem because of the native resolution of the 30' monitor...

I would be much obliged if anyone could might be willing to offer advice or comments because I am somewhat torn not only because it's a decent chuck of change I will be parting with but also because pretty paranoid about this kind of stuff...

Thanks

 

[crydee]

Those are big monitors. I'd rather game in 1920x1080 and on a 24" to much viewable space can be bad in fast paced games especially competitively online.

 

[krotchy]

The 30 inch is an amazing display IMO. Btw its 2560x1600, not 2560x1980. That being said, I dont know if anyone can say whether it DX10 games will even be playable on 2560x1600. Personally id take the bigger monitor in a heartbeat if you can afford it. However 1920x1200 (the 24 inch dell is 1920x1200, not 1920x1080) will display HDTV a little better since it wont be upscaled.

One option you could go with is buying a 37 inch 1080p LCD HDTV so you would have a big Monitor that wont stress the crud out of all your games.

Overall though for a computer monitor the 30 inch dell cant be beat, especially if you do any professional work on that screen. For gaming, it will look absolutely amazing, but definitely stresses things to the max, but no one has really benchmarked DX10 games on the DX10 cards yet, so we cant know for sure.

 

[orbster556]

Sorry about getting seemingly all the measurements wrong

I originally was going to go the LCD TV route, but was concerned about resolutions for pc gaming...I was under the assumption that the LCDs didn't support that high of resolutions...

If I were to get the 30' but either choose or am forced to play at a lower resolution, how much of a hit am I going to take with the visual quality?

Thanks

 

[JAG87]

if you are running 1 card... nevermind DX10 games, make sure DX9 games can run with all the candy maxed out.

I can tell you FEAR and COD2 wont run well at all with a single card at 2560x1600 with AA and AF.

 

[JAG87]

fear at 2560x1600 all on highest, 4xAA 16xAF - 31 FPS

http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/391/19/

COD2 at 2560x1600 all on highest, 4xAA 16xAF - 45 FPS
HL2 EP1 at 2560x1600 all on highest, 4xAA 16AF - 35 FPS

http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/391/21/



you need SLI to run those games at 2560x1600 nice and smooth.

 

[Redox]

A 24" is a nice compromise on screen size vs. performance, expecially if you are buying an 8800 series card.

I'm running a 24" widescreen at 1920x1200 with 2 x 7900 GTX's in SLI and I have no performance issues in any current games. The 8800 GTX is equivalent to or faster than the 7900 GTX SLI configuration.

 

[YOyoYOhowsDAjello]

Connecting a 360 to a 3007 would be very hard and very expensive.

Getting a 1080p LCD TV might be a good route for you to take.

I was going to say "Welcome to AT" but it seems you were here once before

 

[Brentx]

I would say go for the 24". The 30" will be too much desk space IMO, and you are going to defiantely need a SLI setup to run games at that kind of resolution.

Plus 1080p will not be scaled up on the 24" making it look nicer close up.

But imagine the pr0n on that 30 incher

 

[bjc112]

Originally posted by: JAG87
fear at 2560x1600 all on highest, 4xAA 16xAF - 31 FPS

http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/391/19/

COD2 at 2560x1600 all on highest, 4xAA 16xAF - 45 FPS
HL2 EP1 at 2560x1600 all on highest, 4xAA 16AF - 35 FPS

http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/391/21/



you need SLI to run those games at 2560x1600 nice and smooth.

Very true.. If you are running 2560x1600 you truuuuuuuly dont HAVE to run 4xAA and 16xAF..

Without those you are probably pushing 60+FPS

 

[SirFelixCat]

FWIW, I am going thru the same dilemma. I started a thread regarding this very thing.

I also made the case, that really, who is going to realistically be able to play any new(er) game at 2560x1600.

That being said, it looks as though I have settled upon the 37" Westinghouse LCD. It's native/max resolution is 1920x1080 (plenty, imho) and can be had for less that $1000 shipped.

The 30" 3007 was my other choice (or going with dual 24" monitors), but I don't see the higher resolutions being realistically used. That being said, I really like the idea of a 37" wall mountable monitor

 

[tphss]

Originally posted by: JAG87
fear at 2560x1600 all on highest, 4xAA 16xAF - 31 FPS

http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/391/19/

COD2 at 2560x1600 all on highest, 4xAA 16xAF - 45 FPS
HL2 EP1 at 2560x1600 all on highest, 4xAA 16AF - 35 FPS

http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/391/21/



you need SLI to run those games at 2560x1600 nice and smooth.

Or maybe use less filtering

 

[nitromullet]

Dell 2407WFP + 8800GTX here, and I'm really happy with it. 24" inches is a pretty big screen already, 30" would be enormous.

 

[orbster556]

If you don't mind my asking, where are you getting the Westinghouse from becasue that's a pretty attractive price...

Now I'm thinking I might wait for the 27' Dell that supposedly is going to be released in January...Although I am unsure because I am under the impression that the same monitor was rumored to be released in October of this year...

I think I have pretty much eliminated the 30'...I'll either go with the 27', two 24' or now maybe that Westinghouse mentioned...

 

[hemmy]

a 24 foot monitor, wow that is big

j/k, and most computer monitors are not 1080P but 1920x1200 instead

 

[Mavtech]

I have the 2407. Absolutely the best monitor I have ever had. According to Max PC, the 2407 is better for gaming than the 30 inch.

 

[krotchy]

Originally posted by: orbster556
If you don't mind my asking, where are you getting the Westinghouse from becasue that's a pretty attractive price...

Now I'm thinking I might wait for the 27' Dell that supposedly is going to be released in January...Although I am unsure because I am under the impression that the same monitor was rumored to be released in October of this year...

I think I have pretty much eliminated the 30'...I'll either go with the 27', two 24' or now maybe that Westinghouse mentioned...

Hit up pricegrabber, but right now, JR music world has it for 900 + Shipping. They are actually reputable. I dont trust buying TV's from most online retailers, pretty much only Costco.com, Crutchfield, BHphoto, and JRmusicworld, so for 900 from them, thats a damn steal.

 

[JAG87]

Originally posted by: bjc112

Originally posted by: JAG87
fear at 2560x1600 all on highest, 4xAA 16xAF - 31 FPS

http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/391/19/

COD2 at 2560x1600 all on highest, 4xAA 16xAF - 45 FPS
HL2 EP1 at 2560x1600 all on highest, 4xAA 16AF - 35 FPS

http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/391/21/


you need SLI to run those games at 2560x1600 nice and smooth.

Very true.. If you are running 2560x1600 you truuuuuuuly dont HAVE to run 4xAA and 16xAF..

Without those you are probably pushing 60+FPS

you are so very truly wrong my friend.

without AA and AF, 2560x1600 on a 30 inch looks just as bad as 1680x1050 on a 20 inch.
dont assume that just because you have more pixels the graphics will look better. the dot pitch is the roughly same as all other monitors. 0.258 for the 20", 0.27 for the 24" and 0.25 for the 30".

so has you can see even thou the 30 inch has the best pixel pitch, the numbers are so close that jaggies will look just as bad (not as bad as on the 24" but just as bad as the 20"). you simply cannot expect a game too look good without AA and AF.

 

[thegimp03]

PC gaming on a 37" LCD...does it look that great? I'm sure to make it reasonable you'd have to max out AA and AF and everything else. 37" just seems like it'd be too stretched.

Also, for those of you who do game on 37", how far back from the screen do you sit?

 

[SirFelixCat]

Originally posted by: thegimp03
PC gaming on a 37" LCD...does it look that great? I'm sure to make it reasonable you'd have to max out AA and AF and everything else. 37" just seems like it'd be too stretched.

Also, for those of you who do game on 37", how far back from the screen do you sit?

I do not have it yet, but I have been doing quite a bit of research for this, due to my dilemma found Here (not trying to hijack...just trying to give examples that I have had quite a discussion on the same dilemma).

FWIW, I do NOT have any place here in town that has this monitor (Amarillo, Tx), so I am stuck with just user reviews. That being said, I've read a ton on it, Here (blocked here at work so you have to search for the LDV-37w3) and also Here on AVS forum


You can either hand it on the wall or use the stand to put it on your desk or similar, so from what I've read, if you were to place it on the wall and have your desk between yourself and the monitor, you'll be fine. Also, I asked the same questions you're asking in "my" thread on this (linked above) and here is the PM that I was sent by a user of the monitor (hope he doesn't mind me reposting it here):

Okay here's my thoughts.

Viewing distance - I sit about 3 feet away. Sometimes a little closer. If you can accomplish this your fine!
Mine is wall mounted, but it includes the stand for putting on a desk.

Gaming- All I can say is JESUS CHRIST ITS BEAUTIFUL! With your high end video card you will not have a problem in this department! I'm using a 7950GX2 currently and it pretty much handles everything at 1920x1080. A 8800GTX will be PLENTY and them some. I also have my Xbox360 connected to it and its nothing but amazing. Plenty of options to control the back light and brightness also in the on screen menus. (If you play oblivion and see it on this screen in all its glory be prepared to wet yourself) lol

Internet surfing- Also not an issue. Text size is perfect for being a few feet away, if not you can always bump up text size in Firefox or IE. Also having a browser open in a window plus doing other ****** on the same screen is great, you can multi task like crazy with all the screen real estate you have!

DVD's- again perfect, because its a 16:9 screen if you have the correct DVD's they will be perfect from an aspect ratio. (the dell's and most other wide screens are 16:10 ratio. This is bad for High def and DVD's there all formatted in 16:9. Another bonus of this screen.

Daily use is perfect for me, and my buddy bought one also and cant say enough good things about it.

You can get this thing for under a grand now if you look around. I know crutchfield had them for 999.00. I paid 1300.00 so that is amazing prices right now!

Get the extended service plan if you buy, well worth it. I got 5 years for an extra 120.00 and its all in house so no shipping if something happens.(It is Westinghouse and you never know) But so far it has been rock solid.

Uhm lets see...

I think that might be it.

I was honestly looking for a 24 wide screen when someone showed this one to me....I changed my mind in a heartbeat and I am SO GLAD I DID.

Remember If you plan on using HD DVD's or BlueRay in the future, there all 1080p so this monitor is READY!
It's also HDCP compliant for vista and all that protection crap they might use, the 8800GTX is also ready for that so no worries there.

Honestly if you have the room and cash, which is at a very very nice price right now. DO IT!

Make sure you get the newest revision. Westinghouse LVM-37w3

Here is a link to Crutchfield.

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-gRbOZgcvyU...sp?search=westinghouse+37&i=647LVM37W3
999.00 free shipping.

I don't think this can be beat right now, look around though.

Lastly, as mentioned, it can be had for $899 + shipping at JR (just search a lil bit).

Hope that helps!

 

[Rubycon]

You are not restricted to 2560x1600.

When I had an X1900XTX I preferred the extra speed of using a lower resolution - 1280x800 worked well.

With the 8800GTX I am satisfied with 2560x1600 everywhere.

There's no telling what DX10 performance is going to be like. The display ages much slower than a video card. Get the 3007! You won't be disappointed.

 

[xtknight]

How do lower resolutions look on this display, though? Say half, 1280x800 for example? 30" LCDs have the highest dot density. If anyone can compare the 30"'s scaling quality to that of a lower resolution LCD that would be great.

 

[jim1976]

Originally posted by: MS Dawn
You are not restricted to 2560x1600.

When I had an X1900XTX I preferred the extra speed of using a lower resolution - 1280x800 worked well.

With the 8800GTX I am satisfied with 2560x1600 everywhere.

There's no telling what DX10 performance is going to be like. The display ages much slower than a video card. Get the 3007! You won't be disappointed.

12X8 would scale "perfect" for desktop since it's the half resolution and the one used if you don't have the appropriate video card to run it @25x16.. But setting such a monsterous monitor to half the resolution for 3d? No thanks not for me...

So if I set it @19x12 will I have scaling problems? Will it look good @3d?

I could scale very good with my Dell 2001FP @12x10 whenever I needed to.. (always talking about 3d of course)

 

[manuelku]

Would rather run the game in native resolution than having it stretched up. I personally use a 19" and think it's pretty small, I think a 24" will be very ideal. 30", like someone said before, will take up much desk space, it's too big to be looked at; you probably want to sit on sofa to use your PC.

 

[jim1976]

Originally posted by: manuelku
Would rather run the game in native resolution than having it stretched up. I personally use a 19" and think it's pretty small, I think a 24" will be very ideal. 30", like someone said before, will take up much desk space, it's too big to be looked at; you probably want to sit on sofa to use your PC.

The problem is since this monitor does not support hardware scaling, how the game will look @19x12 resolution for example... How it will be displayed in the screen? Stretched or with bars ? I think 19x12 has the same aspect ratio with 25x16 so why shouldn't it scale good in full screen without bars?

My other question is with my 8800GTX would I be able to use a second monitor? 99% sure I can't but just asking..