8800 GT = Biggest paper launch of 2007???

[Sheninat0r]

nVidia just didn't accurately predict demand - they're working on getting more cards out.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Originally posted by: Snooper

Originally posted by: Arkaign
Thank you for the stupidest thread I've read on AT in a while (notwithstanding P&N, which I dabble in on occassion).

Your welcome! 😉

I think the "soft launch" term probably hits it better than any other term I have heard.

And I couldn't care less that a handful of die hard computer nuts that were willing to order the card on day one (or pre order it) actually got cards. That doesn't say ANYTHING about stocking of this card for the launch. No more than all those folks willing to camp out in front of a store for a week so they can be the first ones (and maybe only ones for a while) to get the new game system when it is released in limited numbers says anything about the game system launch.

I just checked Newegg and EVGA. Neither of them have any 8800 GT cards in stock at this time...

Wow this post is pretty ignorant. Sorry. I walked into Best Buy a good two to three weeks after the official 8800GT launch and walked out with one in hand. They still had another on the shelf.

Maybe you are just lazy?

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: ManWithNoName
It didn't take long to find them in stock some where, as long as you're willing to pay for them ...

Here are two EVGA's from TigerDirect ......

http://www.tigerdirect.com/app...keywords=8800+gt+512mb

Here's A Gigabyte .....

http://www.mwave.com/mwave/vie...a=AA72262&RSKU=AA72262

Here's a PNY - $249 - Free Shipping....probably won't stay in stock for long at this price....

http://www.buy.com/prod/geforc...loc/101/206166489.html

$300-$320, seems reasonable for something that is noticably better than the 3850/3870

I disagree. At those prices we're looking at a 40% more expensive card that offers about 10% more performance.

That would be the 3870 that is 10% slower than a 8800GT (stock speeds on both). Can you link me to a 3870 that is available for 40% cheaper than $320?

 

[Nanobaud]

Right now there are 3 models 8800GT available on zipzoomfly. More importantly, EVGA KO is down $40 at this site in last couple of days (still about $100 more than I'm ready to pay for it, but supply v. demand must be equilibrating.) They (zzf mostly) seem to be able to sell-out EVGAs at super-high prices, while their other brands are only at the 'normal' inflated level . Do you suppose this is because of step-up program, those buyers are counting on applying the purchase towards a higher-end card in the near future, and are less critical about the actual price? Or is Quake Wars just that splendid? 😛

nBd

 

[SolMiester]

Originally posted by: Snooper
I'm sure most folks here remember all the assorted "paper launches" of the last couple of years in CPU as well as graphics. It looked like most companies finally got that out of there system.

And then the 8800 GT comes along. I haven't seen any in stock since just a few days after they were released. Not to mention that the MRSP just keeps going up and up and up on these things.

Can anyone remember a BIGGER paper launch of 2007??? Maybe after we get a good list, we can start a proper pole to vote on the biggest!

You could say that about the latest Ferrari, nothing you can do about supply and demand, there is after all millions of people in the US alone!....

 

[Arglebargle]

Originally posted by: Sheninat0r
nVidia just didn't accurately predict demand - they're working on getting more cards out.

OH! So it is an Apple style launch?



They put em out early to undercut their competitor. They also had to be at least a little mindful of undercutting most of their previous lines.....

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: hooflung
It is what I would call a Soft Launch. ATI's 3850 is a hard launch. Personally, I am waiting until the 3870 X2 comes out before I pass my cash to either side. My 7800GT and X1900GT are doing just fine ( well the X1900GT runs hot on stock hs/fan ).

You have any numbers to back this up or are you just going with your gut? Do you know that ATI released more 3850s than the combined nVidia partners released 8800GTs, or could it be the demand for the GT far surpassed the ATI, and that's why they're hard to come by?

 

[Ackmed]

Funny to see NV get a pass on this, when ATi did it, a lot of the same people cried foul. I dont think it was a paper launch, just as I didnt think ATi paper launched with some cards in the past. Sticking with one story no matter who is involved = good. Flip-flopping showing bias = bad.

 

[Yourself]

Has the definition of "paper launch" drastically changed? This isn't even close....

 

[yacoub]

I got in on the HardOCP special offer from XFX. Very pleased with my 8800GT. Runs CoD4 like a dream! 52C idle in Windows, 69C in games. Fan speed 35% in Windows is essentially silent. 50% fan speed in games is audible but the games are much louder than the fan.
$250 was well worth it given what e-tailer prices and inventory were like. Face it: It's a hot card - probably hotter selling than NVidia anticipated - but it was most certainly available on launch day for the average user if you acted quickly. A true paper launch is a product NOT AVAILABLE AT ALL on launch day.

 

[theprodigalrebel]

6800 Ultra Extreme was a paper launch that didn't even show up on eBay. 7800GTX 512MB was a paper launch, one that saw its price jack up to ~$1000 on eBay. 8800GT? I see two XFX OCed cards on Newegg right now for 289.99 and 309.99.

This thread is made of fail.

 

[Snooper]

Originally posted by: yacoubA true paper launch is a product NOT AVAILABLE AT ALL on launch day.

I can buy that. Of course, in my last post I agreed that "soft launch" was probably a better term than "paper launch".

So does ANYONE remember a bit of NV's history with launches? They had any number of "paper" and "soft" launches when they were in the middle of the ATI wars. You almost had to assume it would be a couple of months after the "launch" before you would see any product for real.

With the G80 launch, they absolutely NAILED what a launch should be! I remember a lot of folks on here that bought TWO cards on the first day because they KNEW they would sell out fast and the price would go up like crazy. Hello EBay!!!

But that didn't happen. Instead, they actually had a SOLID supply of cards/chips available from day one on. A many of the folks who picked up multiple cards while speculating ended up losing money on the deal. Pretty much every NV product launch since then has been a pretty hard launch IF MY MEMORY IS CORRECT.

But then the 8800 GT comes around and it is back to the "bad old NV" again.

 

[yacoub]

Yeah but this "bad old NV" actually releases products that are exciting again... good price/performance and a die-shrink to boot. 🙂

 

[SolMiester]

I think its because everybody has been waiting for such a card that NV didnt realise the gem they had released..Its like the Ti4200 again!

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: Griswold

Originally posted by: tuteja1986
Well reason why only 50K were made because Nvidia looses money on each G92 gpu they sell. Its was done to destroy ATI any hope of good RV670 launch otherwise Nvidia would have produced 250K G92 processor like ATI did with its RV670 core.

Spot on. The rest is just fanboys defending their respective master. I'd be happy to buy either a 3870 or GT but the only ones in stock I can find are the 3850 with 256MB - and I dont want that card unless it comes with 512MB.

To me, they both pulled off at least a semi-paperlaunch so far. 🙁

newegg has 6 or 7 8800gt in stock right now. the cheapest is an xfx stock unit for 276 shipped. that's pretty good compared to what I've seen online elsewhere. that's not exactly a "paper launch". also, I know many people (including myself) who got either 8800gt or 3870 on launch day.

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: Snooper

Originally posted by: Arkaign
Thank you for the stupidest thread I've read on AT in a while (notwithstanding P&N, which I dabble in on occassion).

Your welcome! 😉

I think the "soft launch" term probably hits it better than any other term I have heard.

And I couldn't care less that a handful of die hard computer nuts that were willing to order the card on day one (or pre order it) actually got cards. That doesn't say ANYTHING about stocking of this card for the launch. No more than all those folks willing to camp out in front of a store for a week so they can be the first ones (and maybe only ones for a while) to get the new game system when it is released in limited numbers says anything about the game system launch.

I just checked Newegg and EVGA. Neither of them have any 8800 GT cards in stock at this time...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...04&name=GeForce+8800GT

I think that somebody at the egg is watching you...

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: hooflung
It is what I would call a Soft Launch. ATI's 3850 is a hard launch. Personally, I am waiting until the 3870 X2 comes out before I pass my cash to either side. My 7800GT and X1900GT are doing just fine ( well the X1900GT runs hot on stock hs/fan ).

You have any numbers to back this up or are you just going with your gut? Do you know that ATI released more 3850s than the combined nVidia partners released 8800GTs, or could it be the demand for the GT far surpassed the ATI, and that's why they're hard to come by?

The numbers I'm seeing confidentially are showing AMD with more product coming into the channel now, which should help keep its pricing reasonable. If the 8800 GTs do indeed stay above $250, the new Radeon HD 3800 cards look like they may indeed have a place in the market.

who wrote that? Anand lal Shimpi on 11/15.

 

[martensite]

It's in short supply here in Singapore too. Luckily I got mine for SG$372 (~US$255) during the first week of the launch. They all sold out the first weekend itself!

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: Snooper

Originally posted by: yacoubA true paper launch is a product NOT AVAILABLE AT ALL on launch day.

I can buy that. Of course, in my last post I agreed that "soft launch" was probably a better term than "paper launch".

So does ANYONE remember a bit of NV's history with launches? They had any number of "paper" and "soft" launches when they were in the middle of the ATI wars. You almost had to assume it would be a couple of months after the "launch" before you would see any product for real.

With the G80 launch, they absolutely NAILED what a launch should be! I remember a lot of folks on here that bought TWO cards on the first day because they KNEW they would sell out fast and the price would go up like crazy. Hello EBay!!!

But that didn't happen. Instead, they actually had a SOLID supply of cards/chips available from day one on. A many of the folks who picked up multiple cards while speculating ended up losing money on the deal. Pretty much every NV product launch since then has been a pretty hard launch IF MY MEMORY IS CORRECT.

But then the 8800 GT comes around and it is back to the "bad old NV" again.

for the 8800gts/x launch they had a huge time advantage over ati and they knew it. for the 8800gt launch they had NO time advantage at all and had to rush rush rush due to the competition. They also bumped up the clocks significantly and almost certainly lowered the price quite a bit for comepetitive reasons. None of us should complain about this b/c we are the winners when these sorts of things happen.

 

[ManWithNoName]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Funny to see NV get a pass on this, when ATi did it, a lot of the same people cried foul. I dont think it was a paper launch, just as I didnt think ATi paper launched with some cards in the past. Sticking with one story no matter who is involved = good. Flip-flopping showing bias = bad.

It's funny to see Nvidia get a pass on what exactly? Little confused by your post since you said you don't consider this a paper launch?? I don't consider this a paper launch either by the way. 6 out of my last 8 cards were ATI as a matter of fact, so no BIAS towards Nvidia or against big red here.

 

[bryanW1995]

I think he meant that nvidia just threw together some cards before they were really ready for a true "hard launch" b/c they wanted to steal amd's thunder. personally, I think that it was a good marketing move b/c they knew that amd actually had a good product coming out.

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: munky
I just ordered a 8800gt from WorstBuy, because they actually had some in stock and the prices were reasonable. However, I would still not describe this as a hard launch. I shouldn't have to scrounge around for a card if it was a launch done right. Any of you think Nvidia didn't know the demand would be so high? Wake up and get real, they damn well knew what they were getting into, but they wanted to one-up AMD so bad, they launched it anyways without sufficient supply. Hell, if the prices got jacked any higher I would call this as bad as the 7800gtx-512 debacle.

Riggghht... nvidia knew exactly how high the demand will be... that is why they priced the card at 200$ stock to 250$ OC MSRP (originally). Selling the die to chip makers chip, who sold the cards cheap to retailers... who jacked the prices to the 280-340$ range within a day...

You see, nvidia hates money. That is why they didn't price the cards at 300$ and sold the chips for 200$ each... Because doing that would have made them more money, and they don't want that...

They wanted to one up ATI so they sold the chips real cheap at first making a ton of money for the retailers who price gouged. and later for the manufactuers who price gouged... and only finally did they take a slice of that price gouging themselves, when the insane feeding frenzy had died down...

just an FYI, nvidia/ati makes a GPU.. the CPU is sold to card makers who manufacture a card and place the GPU in it. Who sell it to retailers, who sell it to you. That entire process takes TIME.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: ManWithNoName
It didn't take long to find them in stock some where, as long as you're willing to pay for them ...

Here are two EVGA's from TigerDirect ......

http://www.tigerdirect.com/app...keywords=8800+gt+512mb

Here's A Gigabyte .....

http://www.mwave.com/mwave/vie...a=AA72262&RSKU=AA72262

Here's a PNY - $249 - Free Shipping....probably won't stay in stock for long at this price....

http://www.buy.com/prod/geforc...loc/101/206166489.html

$300-$320, seems reasonable for something that is noticably better than the 3850/3870

I disagree. At those prices we're looking at a 40% more expensive card that offers about 10% more performance.

That would be the 3870 that is 10% slower than a 8800GT (stock speeds on both). Can you link me to a 3870 that is available for 40% cheaper than $320?

The ones at newegg float in and out of stock, and are selling at MSRP.

 

[taltamir]

320$ GT = most expensive, most price gouged, overclocked version...

If you look at newegg their cheapest offerings are stock speed GT @ 265$+5 s&h and a stock speed 3870 @ 220$+5 s&h.
Both of which are out of stock.

The 3870 is 15% slower at stock speeds, not 10. And 17% cheaper on newegg.

BTW, newegg has GT in stock for 175$+ right now but doesn't even have a single 3870 in stock...

Bottom line is that there isn't enough of either card. ATI has forbidden price gouging on their cards, nvidia did not. either that or merchants aren't even bothering with price gouging it due to its lower performance. (but it still sold out on day one, so they should have... considering it is done automatically by software and supposedly had 4x the stock the nvidia did)

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: taltamir

Originally posted by: munky
I just ordered a 8800gt from WorstBuy, because they actually had some in stock and the prices were reasonable. However, I would still not describe this as a hard launch. I shouldn't have to scrounge around for a card if it was a launch done right. Any of you think Nvidia didn't know the demand would be so high? Wake up and get real, they damn well knew what they were getting into, but they wanted to one-up AMD so bad, they launched it anyways without sufficient supply. Hell, if the prices got jacked any higher I would call this as bad as the 7800gtx-512 debacle.

Riggghht... nvidia knew exactly how high the demand will be... that is why they priced the card at 200$ stock to 250$ OC MSRP (originally). Selling the die to chip makers chip, who sold the cards cheap to retailers... who jacked the prices to the 280-340$ range within a day...

They made a card that outperforms a 8800gts and sells for $100 less, and for 2 weeks after launch had no competition whatsoever. It doesn't take a genius to figure out what kind of demand the product will have. You think Nvidia is run by clueless idiots? Or are you just making up excuses for their supply shortage?

You see, nvidia hates money. That is why they didn't price the cards at 300$ and sold the chips for 200$ each... Because doing that would have made them more money, and they don't want that...

LOL, at $200 each no board partner will buy those chips, and nvidia will make $0 money that way.

They wanted to one up ATI so they sold the chips real cheap at first making a ton of money for the retailers who price gouged. and later for the manufactuers who price gouged... and only finally did they take a slice of that price gouging themselves, when the insane feeding frenzy had died down...

How much money are they making now when hardly anyone can buy the card? Even if your outlandish theory was true, Nvidia would probably make enough gpu's to meet the demand if they wanted to make the most money.

just an FYI, nvidia/ati makes a GPU.. the CPU is sold to card makers who manufacture a card and place the GPU in it. Who sell it to retailers, who sell it to you. That entire process takes TIME.

No more time than it took with some previous gpu launches, which also had high demand but the availability was much better. This only shows that the launch was either badly coordinated, or more likely, it was rushed ahead of original schedule.