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8800 GT = Biggest paper launch of 2007???

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Originally posted by: Demoth
Originally posted by: aka1nas
It's not costing Nvidia anything for the RAM, as they don't build the actual cards.
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Nvidia dosen't build the cards, but they pretty much control their manufacturers when it comes to card specs and pricing. RAM cost is the biggest chunk of overall card pricing that all manufacturers need to stay within to remain competetive. Nvidia and ATI's overall bottom line is greatly effected by RAM costs and the current extreme cost of DDR4, even though they don't purchase the RAM themselves for the most part. If it wasn't for the cost factor, 1 gig of DDR4 on current card tech would be more useful then overkill at high res.
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The OEMs eat the cost of the ram. The original reponse to pricing said Nvidia is losing money on each G92 shipped which is a load of crap if you look at Nvidia financials.

When cards ship for 300 bucks, the OEMs are making money as well.
 
Our dear friend Fudzilla is speculating that 8800 GT's shortages would be due that this one vendor can't make enough of these power supply components. There would be plenty of G92's and other components..
 
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Demoth
Originally posted by: aka1nas
It's not costing Nvidia anything for the RAM, as they don't build the actual cards.
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Nvidia dosen't build the cards, but they pretty much control their manufacturers when it comes to card specs and pricing. RAM cost is the biggest chunk of overall card pricing that all manufacturers need to stay within to remain competetive. Nvidia and ATI's overall bottom line is greatly effected by RAM costs and the current extreme cost of DDR4, even though they don't purchase the RAM themselves for the most part. If it wasn't for the cost factor, 1 gig of DDR4 on current card tech would be more useful then overkill at high res.
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The OEMs eat the cost of the ram. The original reponse to pricing said Nvidia is losing money on each G92 shipped which is a load of crap if you look at Nvidia financials.

When cards ship for 300 bucks, the OEMs are making money as well.
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nVidia just had their first 1billion dollar quarter. I think they're doing just fine.
 
Originally posted by: tuteja1986
Well reason why only 50K were made because Nvidia looses money on each G92 gpu they sell. Its was done to destroy ATI any hope of good RV670 launch otherwise Nvidia would have produced 250K G92 processor like ATI did with its RV670 core.
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Spot on. The rest is just fanboys defending their respective master. I'd be happy to buy either a 3870 or GT but the only ones in stock I can find are the 3850 with 256MB - and I dont want that card unless it comes with 512MB.

To me, they both pulled off at least a semi-paperlaunch so far. 🙁
 
Originally posted by: Griswold
Originally posted by: tuteja1986
Well reason why only 50K were made because Nvidia looses money on each G92 gpu they sell. Its was done to destroy ATI any hope of good RV670 launch otherwise Nvidia would have produced 250K G92 processor like ATI did with its RV670 core.
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Spot on. The rest is just fanboys defending their respective master. I'd be happy to buy either a 3870 or GT but the only ones in stock I can find are the 3850 with 256MB - and I dont want that card unless it comes with 512MB.

To me, they both pulled off at least a semi-paperlaunch so far. 🙁
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Right. Because NV somehow managed to record record profits and revenue while "losing money" on every G80 they neutered in the 320MB GTS which sells in the same price range as the GT. But I'm sure they're losing money on a part that has less transistors and half the die size on a smaller process..... :roll:
 
Originally posted by: sirjonk
Originally posted by: Golgatha
Originally posted by: StinkyPinky
Yeah, but the card isn't worth 300.
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Yes it is.
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A card is "worth" whatever someone will pay for it. I paid $289 for my KO. I gotta say, damn, paper runs a sys right quik!
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I guess my computer doesnt have a video card in it right now also.
 
paper launch is not the right word. Nvidia does hard launches initially and, to extend the metaphor, doesn't provide enough fuel, then sets up the real launch some afterwards. It's not much better than a paper launch.

As for ATI, i think they provided larger numbers than nvidia, but it's still not enough. My x1800xl is not handling crisis even respectably so I need an upgrade ASAP.
 
Paper launch it's certainly not -- unsavory business tactic, possibly, but then again both companies seem to engage in that from time to time.

The only reason to even consider it to be an unsavory business tactic is if both a) the launch was deliberately timed to preempt ATI's launch, and, b) nvidia knew quite well that they could only get a few of these cards in consumers hands.

I'm fine with filling gaps with products specifically targeted at competitors' products; I'd just like to see greater availability if you are going to preempt another company's launch.

The combination of preempting the 38xx launch and limited availability is a bit cheezy, but certainly tasty for those that got the cards!
 
Thank you for the stupidest thread I've read on AT in a while (notwithstanding P&N, which I dabble in on occassion).

8800GT = not a paper launch.

Why?

Countless vendors stocked thousands upon thousands of cards from a wide selection of manufacturers and versions of
the 8800GT.

How many AT forum members already have 8800GT?

Jeez.
 
I bet nvidia is sorry they released the 8800gt at the price point they did. I wouldnt be surprised if the supply problem is an internal decision created because they realise they screwed up royally and devaulued their flagship 8800gtx/ultra as well as the 8800gts series.

The guy who heads their corporate spy division? FIRED!! he must have been an ATi/AMD implant.

And who is going to buy the new repackaged 8800gts now let alone the 8800gtx for hundreds more? The people who got into the 8800gt for the initial MSRP price rejoice! and those whinning about $300 cards shut up and just pay the money. The card is worth more than that at this moment in time.
 
It is what I would call a Soft Launch. ATI's 3850 is a hard launch. Personally, I am waiting until the 3870 X2 comes out before I pass my cash to either side. My 7800GT and X1900GT are doing just fine ( well the X1900GT runs hot on stock hs/fan ).
 
Paper Launch? Definitely not. Does anyone remember the X800XT-PE/Pro AGP series of ATI cards? Now that was a paper launch. I was one of the lucky few who got a hold of card because someone had posted the phone number from a Sales guy (Dave) in CompUSA's Business Dept. out of Texas who had a batch for some reason.

I also just looked around for an HD3870 and they don't seem to be falling out of the sky either. I did find one HIS card at ZipZoomFly for a non-bargain price of $269 however.
 
Originally posted by: Arkaign
Thank you for the stupidest thread I've read on AT in a while (notwithstanding P&N, which I dabble in on occassion).
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Your welcome! 😉

I think the "soft launch" term probably hits it better than any other term I have heard.

And I couldn't care less that a handful of die hard computer nuts that were willing to order the card on day one (or pre order it) actually got cards. That doesn't say ANYTHING about stocking of this card for the launch. No more than all those folks willing to camp out in front of a store for a week so they can be the first ones (and maybe only ones for a while) to get the new game system when it is released in limited numbers says anything about the game system launch.

I just checked Newegg and EVGA. Neither of them have any 8800 GT cards in stock at this time...
 
Originally posted by: Snooper
Originally posted by: Arkaign
Thank you for the stupidest thread I've read on AT in a while (notwithstanding P&N, which I dabble in on occassion).
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Your welcome! 😉

I think the "soft launch" term probably hits it better than any other term I have heard.

And I couldn't care less that a handful of die hard computer nuts that were willing to order the card on day one (or pre order it) actually got cards. That doesn't say ANYTHING about stocking of this card for the launch. No more than all those folks willing to camp out in front of a store for a week so they can be the first ones (and maybe only ones for a while) to get the new game system when it is released in limited numbers says anything about the game system launch.

I just checked Newegg and EVGA. Neither of them have any 8800 GT cards in stock at this time...
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Yes because newegg and eVGA are the ONLY places to buy this magical card.
 
Originally posted by: Snooper
Originally posted by: Arkaign
Thank you for the stupidest thread I've read on AT in a while (notwithstanding P&N, which I dabble in on occassion).
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Your welcome! 😉

I think the "soft launch" term probably hits it better than any other term I have heard.

And I couldn't care less that a handful of die hard computer nuts that were willing to order the card on day one (or pre order it) actually got cards. That doesn't say ANYTHING about stocking of this card for the launch. No more than all those folks willing to camp out in front of a store for a week so they can be the first ones (and maybe only ones for a while) to get the new game system when it is released in limited numbers says anything about the game system launch.

I just checked Newegg and EVGA. Neither of them have any 8800 GT cards in stock at this time...
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Just to be fair, I just checked NewEgg and they don't have any HD 3870's either. They do have 1 out of 3, 3850's though.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...=0&Description=hd+3870

Also, regarding the "die-hard nuts" who bought the 8800GT on the day it was released, they got their cards cheaper than what they cost now.
 
Originally posted by: ManWithNoName
Originally posted by: Snooper
Originally posted by: Arkaign
Thank you for the stupidest thread I've read on AT in a while (notwithstanding P&N, which I dabble in on occassion).
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Your welcome! 😉

I think the "soft launch" term probably hits it better than any other term I have heard.

And I couldn't care less that a handful of die hard computer nuts that were willing to order the card on day one (or pre order it) actually got cards. That doesn't say ANYTHING about stocking of this card for the launch. No more than all those folks willing to camp out in front of a store for a week so they can be the first ones (and maybe only ones for a while) to get the new game system when it is released in limited numbers says anything about the game system launch.

I just checked Newegg and EVGA. Neither of them have any 8800 GT cards in stock at this time...
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Just to be fair, I just checked NewEgg and they don't have any HD 3870's either. They do have 1 out of 3, 3850's though.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...=0&Description=hd+3870

Also, regarding the "die-hard nuts" who bought the 8800GT on the day it was released, they got their cards cheaper than what they cost now.
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Can't say I'm a "die hard nut" for the 8800GT, but when I heard about it, I knew a good deal when I saw one. 😎

 
I just ordered a 8800gt from WorstBuy, because they actually had some in stock and the prices were reasonable. However, I would still not describe this as a hard launch. I shouldn't have to scrounge around for a card if it was a launch done right. Any of you think Nvidia didn't know the demand would be so high? Wake up and get real, they damn well knew what they were getting into, but they wanted to one-up AMD so bad, they launched it anyways without sufficient supply. Hell, if the prices got jacked any higher I would call this as bad as the 7800gtx-512 debacle.
 
It didn't take long to find them in stock some where, as long as you're willing to pay for them ...

Here are two EVGA's from TigerDirect ......

http://www.tigerdirect.com/app...keywords=8800+gt+512mb

Here's a few Gigabytes .....

http://www.mwave.com/mwave/vie...a=AA72262&RSKU=AA72262

http://www.clubit.com/product_...il.cfm?itemno=A9630890

Here's a PNY - $249 - Free Shipping....probably won't stay in stock for long at this price....

http://www.buy.com/prod/geforc...loc/101/206166489.html

Sure, it's not raining 8800GT's but they're there if you look.
 
Originally posted by: ManWithNoName
It didn't take long to find them in stock some where, as long as you're willing to pay for them ...

Here are two EVGA's from TigerDirect ......

http://www.tigerdirect.com/app...keywords=8800+gt+512mb

Here's A Gigabyte .....

http://www.mwave.com/mwave/vie...a=AA72262&RSKU=AA72262

Here's a PNY - $249 - Free Shipping....probably won't stay in stock for long at this price....

http://www.buy.com/prod/geforc...loc/101/206166489.html
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$300-$320, seems reasonable for something that is noticably better than the 3850/3870
 
Originally posted by: Arkaign

$300-$320, seems reasonable for something that is noticably better than the 3850/3870
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I agree, just comparing it to the $279 I paid for my EVGA SC when they were launched.

 
Originally posted by: Arkaign
Originally posted by: ManWithNoName
It didn't take long to find them in stock some where, as long as you're willing to pay for them ...

Here are two EVGA's from TigerDirect ......

http://www.tigerdirect.com/app...keywords=8800+gt+512mb

Here's A Gigabyte .....

http://www.mwave.com/mwave/vie...a=AA72262&RSKU=AA72262

Here's a PNY - $249 - Free Shipping....probably won't stay in stock for long at this price....

http://www.buy.com/prod/geforc...loc/101/206166489.html
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$300-$320, seems reasonable for something that is noticably better than the 3850/3870
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I disagree. At those prices we're looking at a 40% more expensive card that offers about 10% more performance.
 
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