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87 year old successfully defends home with firearm

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homercles337 said:
Some one CLAIMS they are correct 1 in 4 attempts. There is a pretty standard correction for this when using self reports. Its usually a divide by root(N) kind of correction, but this study subsampled thus making all statistics biased. Divide by N is more conservative correction for bad statistics. This means that gun-nuts correctly draw 0.0155% of the time (that is a PERCENTAGE). I think YOU and your idiot ilk need to take a step back and think about what you are doing. Paranoid, rabid, bat shit crazy fucktards...
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why are you so afraid of the world? Did someone in your family do something stupid with a gun?
 
alkemyst said:
You are full of shit. Your CCW card should have that verbiage on it if you have one.

The exact text is "Invalid when using or consuming alcohol or illegal drugs"

It's right under your photo on front.

So are you a liar or is this another one of the 'hey guise I was just joking' posts.
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Nope, sorry, you are dead wrong. There are very few places that I can't carry. Schools, capital building, casinos, fairgrounds, post offices. That's about it. Educate yourself before saying someone is full of shit.

http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/iowa.pdf
 
davmat787 said:
That is a great and very telling statistic if true, would love to see you confirm it with sources (so that I can save it and use it myself next time one of these threads pop up, beating you to it by a minute :awe: )
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The article about how guns prevent crime is
1) an abstract
2) a phone survey (meaning it reflects only people who have phones, are willing to pick them up, and have the time and desire to fill them out)
3) from 1994
4) has completely unverified results

Guns are one way to prevent crime and protect persons. There are other ways. People could all be armed with stun guns for example (or with those shark killing knifes that explode watermelons). Or you could legalize weed and make it ultra cheap so people are way less murderous. Or you could greatly stiffen the penalties for gun crime (ie gun crime of any sort means 1 year of professionally delivered torture followed by death by drowning).

I grew up in a city and a country where no one has guns (London, England) and it shocked me when I moved to Texas how people just accept the fact that any day of the week a bullet can whiz through the air and explode their heads just out of the blue. Or how any day of the week they can be taken hostage and executed in large groups by crazed individuals looking to die. People just accept the fact that a guy can climb into a tree and just start shooting at cars or kids if he wants. How does that not bother people? I'll take my chances against a kid wielding only a knife (I'm 6'2 and 200 lbs) any day of the week over those nut cases.
 
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alkemyst said:
why are you so afraid of the world? Did someone in your family do something stupid with a gun?
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Youre the one hiding under your bed, or behind a gun.

EDIT: Im perfectly comfortable with guns. I grew up with them. What im not comfortable with is idiots with guns...
 
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homercles337 said:
spouted by gun-nuts, and right wing idiots in P&N.
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homercles337 said:
You would fail even the most rudimentary psychological assessment
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homercles337 said:
I think YOU and your idiot ilk need to take a step back and think about what you are doing. Paranoid, rabid, bat shit crazy fucktards...
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Look, either try to hold a discussion without insults, or walk away. The last thing P&N needs is another person just insulting people. I've not insulted you or called you any names and would appreciate the same in return.
 
homercles337 said:
Some one CLAIMS they are correct 1 in 4 attempts. There is a pretty standard correction for this when using self reports. Its usually a divide by root(N) kind of correction, but this study subsampled thus making all statistics biased. Divide by N is more conservative correction for bad statistics. This means that gun-nuts correctly draw 0.0155% of the time (that is a PERCENTAGE). I think YOU and your idiot ilk need to take a step back and think about what you are doing. Paranoid, rabid, bat shit crazy fucktards...
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Er, that's nice and all, but you weren't there - neither were the people taking the stats, or your 'pretty standard correction' folks (if that's even accurate and/or applicable for this). As it stands, the numbers are 1 in 4, no matter how much you want them changed.

If there's a 1 in 4 chance that I'm going to need a gun for some reason, that's far enough up there for me to bring one to the party. If I don't need it, then it becomes a 'Better to have brought it and not need it than need it and have not brought it' situation. No harm done. The opposite certainly is not true.

You roll the dice with you and your own, I'll do the same for mine.

Chuck
 
Sunburn74 said:
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I grew up in a city and a country where no one has guns (London, England) and it shocked me when I moved to Texas how people just accept the fact that any day of the week a bullet can whiz through the air and explode their heads just out of the blue. Or how any day of the week they can be taken hostage and executed in large groups by crazed individuals looking to die. People just accept the fact that a guy can climb into a tree and just start shooting at cars or kids if he wants. How does that not bother people? I'll take my chances against a kid wielding only a knife (I'm 6'2 and 200 lbs) any day of the week over those nut cases.
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Any of those things can happen, but are not likely to. What can also happen, and is far more likely, is some POS breaking into your house in a rural area (which isn't common in London) and the cops being an hour away. And instead of saying 'Cheerio mum, goin to borrow your jewelry and this pack o fags' (calm down gays, that's cigs to us Yanks), and then being on their merry way, our POS US criminals decide to go on a meth induced rape/maim/kill rage.

Sorry. Not going to worry about what some anti-gun whiners think when it comes down to that possibly happening and me probably preventing it if it does happen, vs. not have a gun and just trust the POS breaking into my house and/or assaulting me and mine that he'll/they'll be really nice.

Tell ya what: Move on over to some sh1thole in Texas, put a sign on your front door that says, I have no firearms here because I believe they're really really really bad to have and we don't need them in London, and see how that works out for you. Probably 90% of the people that will come rob you won't have a gun either. And, you won't stop them, and neither with the po-lice.

It's unreal the logic sometimes...
 
chucky2 said:
the cops being an hour away
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This cannot be emphasized enough: in many states, the cops are so "overloaded" that they are slow at best to respond to calls, and when they do, some people are so remote that the response time DOES approach an hour. If someone is busy with a B&E and you're on the other side of the door, you will have what, a minute to act? Even if the cops respond within a few minutes, by the time they arrive it'll be done.

For me in an apartment complex it is worse: they either break down the door to my building to get to my door, or they take their time to get the building's master key out of the safety box outside.

Welcome to the US. This country has the 2nd amendment, which was written with the express intent of arming citizens. This, among many other ideals, is what the country is based and founded upon. If you don't like what we are based on, I can point out a few ways which you can exit the country, or you can go ahead and vote to see the change you want, assuming you become a citizen.
 
My aunts boyfriend is one of these people, cops an hour away. Came home to find his house broken into, bunch of stuff missing. Called the cops. Cop came like an hour later. Asked cop what happens if I come home and I actually catch the person/people. Cop said to shoot, there'd be no problem with the cops/local courts.

This is in IL btw, not TX.

Kicker: Guy was from Chicago suburbs. Drove out to country to rob because less chance of getting caught. Robbed like 20 places before finally getting nabbed. Now we're paying for this POS incarceration. Too bad he didn't just get shot, save us the trouble and $$$.

But hey, crime and criminal behavior in London is the same as the US, so, same anti-gun laws there should apply here...bravo.....
 
chucky2 said:
Er, that's nice and all, but you weren't there - neither were the people taking the stats, or your 'pretty standard correction' folks (if that's even accurate and/or applicable for this). As it stands, the numbers are 1 in 4, no matter how much you want them changed.
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Look friend, either refute my correction, which is perfectly valid (im a statistician for fucks sake), or accept it. Your hand-wavy arguments have no merit in science. In fact, i just reread your post, you have no scientific training at all. If i asked you to give me a definition of probabilistic inference, your head would assplode. Nonetheless, let me continue to destroy your argument. How about the fact that this study subsampled 34% of their initial random sample population and they now want to make inferences about the sampled population? Im sorry but that violates the random sampling assumption, thus, all statistics about their population are biased. There is no way to know if the subsample was random without doing a proper test (there are many depending on their assumptions), which they did not do because they are hacks.

EDIT: Nevermind that they cut their power by a third, but failed to address this.
 
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Rage on Rager. Conduct your own sample then and get back to us, or, substitute another that you feel is more valid.

In the end it doesn't even matter what the results were. The simple fact is, there are hundreds of millions of firearms in the US. Nothing will change that. Nothing. Given those two facts, if one feels they need to arm themselves, then as long as they do so in a responsible manner, who the F cares?

Obviously you do.

Why?
 
chucky2 said:
But hey, crime and criminal behavior in London is the same as the US, so, same anti-gun laws there should apply here...bravo.....
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A cool statistic is the rate of rape per capita in the UK and compare it to the US. As of about 6 months ago, it was around 2.3x higher in the UK than in the US.
 
chucky2 said:
Rage on Rager. Conduct your own sample then and get back to us, or, substitute another that you feel is more valid.

In the end it doesn't even matter what the results were. The simple fact is, there are hundreds of millions of firearms in the US. Nothing will change that. Nothing. Given those two facts, if one feels they need to arm themselves, then as long as they do so in a responsible manner, who the F cares?

Obviously you do.

Why?
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Im not afraid of guns. I grew up with them. I was a hunter and owned many rifles and handguns. My family are hunters, cowboys, and ranchers. I care because fucking idiots like you are allowed to own guns. Got it? I think its too easy for dipshits like you to own guns. That is why i care.

No insults or personal attacks.

Perknose
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Ninjahedge said:
Yep.

Otherwise your feeble argument extends to many tools, from cars, to plows to knitting needles.

As was said before, the primary function of a firearm it to accelerate a lethal (or incapacitating) projectile at a target. The original design was not for "target practice" as the "practice" in that phrase indicates, but to fire it at another living creature.

Handguns were developed specifically for portability with the intent to fire at other human beings, as rifles and other long-bore firearms were more effective for game hunting.

Constantly comparing them to cars and airplanes is a lame attempt to justify their primary function and effectiveness thereof.

The main problem comes when the supporters of these devices try to site current environmental conditions as similar to the original conditions that the device was made to either actuate or foil. (robbery or protection thereof being an example).

Times have changed, there is no "Wild West", Terrorists are not coming in armed bands requiring direct armed response, Mexican Drug Lords are not threatening the majority of American Citizens, and our military is no longer home grown and stationed.

There are a few arguments that can be placed on gun ownership, but the problem occurs when the ones yelling the loudest use every argument posted on the net to try and validate their statements when 95% of them are just imbecilic maladjusted appropriations of outdated justifications.


IOW, drop the "cars are deadlier" argument. It was, is, and will be a piece of crap that will not lend credence to your position.
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The stats related to cars and pools are not really arguments per se, rather to provide some perspective on this issue. We don't need to bring an argument, you do, since our position is the one that is legal and in place.

So now, your argument is that guns should be banned, even though you are more likely to be killed by other devices, because they are designed to kill so that makes them worse? I realize you would not word your argument that way of course. 😛
 
homercles337 said:
Im not afraid of guns. I grew up with them. I was a hunter and owned many rifles and handguns. My family are hunters, cowboys, and ranchers. I care because fucking idiots like you are allowed to own guns. Got it? I think its too easy for dipshits like you to own guns. That is why i care.
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WTF does your hillbilly family need handguns for hunting, herding cows and ranching?

They like gunslingers bro?
 
homercles337 said:
Im not afraid of guns. I grew up with them. I was a hunter and owned many rifles and handguns. My family are hunters, cowboys, and ranchers. I care because fucking idiots like you are allowed to own guns. Got it? I think its too easy for dipshits like you to own guns. That is why i care.
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Given your Rage-On attitude in this thread, I - and I'm sure it's We at this point - can agree it's you who shouldn't be owning any guns. :whiste:

Sounds like you've come across too many people being cavalier with guns. That's fine, I understand. I've come across a greater number of people who are just as cavalier about stealing sh1t, and/or assaulting someone (often not even one on one). Forgive me for not giving a sh1t about some dipsh1t on the Internet who thinks his stats knowledge is going to prevent any of these types of people - who live right where I live - from breaking into my house.

What will I tell them when the 2, 3, 4, whatever number of them are beating the sh1t out of me and/or my parents? 'Hey, this is illegal, and I could have stopped you from just stabbing me with the screwdriver you stole out of the garage, but Rage-On Statition Master homercles337 doesn't want people owning guns, so, Stab me again Bro!'

Yeah...er...oh great stat master, forgive us po fraid peoples....we'll just keep a gun handy....

Lulz... :biggrin:
 
Congrats.

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No insults or personal attacks.

Perknose
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chucky2 said:
Sounds like you've come across too many people being cavalier with guns.
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They are all on the intarwebs, and they are all about as ignorant as you. Hunters, ranchers, and cowboys are not dismissive of the power of guns like you are. I imagine you on the ranch using a shovel to "bash rocks" only to render the shovel useless. I would not trust you to use a shovel properly, not to mention a gun. That is what i am concerned about. You are clearly a few standard deviations below the mean. Clearly you do not have the mental capacity to own a gun, but since the right wing in this country cry about the "precious constitution" all while only caring about ONE amendment, you are allowed to have guns. That frightens me in the same way that giving a monkey a live grenade painted like a banana to play with frightens me. You do not have the mental fortitude to exercise sound, rational judgement.
 
homercles337 said:
Bullshit. You are a liar. A dirty scheming, right-wing liar.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics

Now think about how many gun-nuts we have in the US. Our rape rate, per capita is higher because idiots have access to guns.
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Please explain how you can connect guns to the rate of rape rising.

Further, I invite you to, in addition to reading the article that points out that in the UK officers have falsified data, another statistic on Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape#United_Kingdom

Lastly, again, stop it with the insults.
 
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