85 year old man crashed into my new car yesterday (pics)

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: myusername
Whether there is ice is, afaik, irrelevant to legal proceedings. A driver is responsible to maintain control of their vehicle and drive appropriately for conditions. While it is possible that the "ice" (packed snow) contributed to the accident actually occurring - i.e. if the driver had slammed on his brakes at the entrance where the ice begins, there is a possibility he would not have impacted the otehr car - he still would have ended up in the middle of the near lane, perpendicular to traffic

last i checked ice provides zero friction between the tires and the road, black ice is even worse coz u cant see it.....tell me how to control a car that has no friction between its tires and the road and ill pay u to teach me

hitting the gas, breaks and steering in any direction has no bearing when your on blakc ice...might as well just enjoy the ride

That little patch of snow is no excuse for flying accross the road and slamming into someone.

I drive in that crap every day.

once a car is out of control (and it doesnt take long) unless you are a skilled driver with good reactions your gonna stay out of control till all the speed scrubs off, which on at least wet roads will take longer than the width of the road

 

[shimsham]

oh, and rest assured, most of us over here arent sue happy. you just hear about the ones that are.

 

[Amused]

Vic, I drive in that crap every day. That parking lot and road is NO excuse for flying across a street and hitting someone. NONE.

 

[Lucky]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: Lucky

He did'nt break anything but *mayb*e the front blinker houseing in this little fender bender. It looks to me like 5MPH crash and he chasing jackpot justice.

WTF are you talking about? The ENTIRE front end is going to need to be replaced. I don't think anything on it was unscathed. In addition, there is a good chance that there is frame or axle damage. Notice how the wheel is off-kilter?

axle damage in a front wheel drive car

nice one

I don't understand your response.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: myusername
Whether there is ice is, afaik, irrelevant to legal proceedings. A driver is responsible to maintain control of their vehicle and drive appropriately for conditions. While it is possible that the "ice" (packed snow) contributed to the accident actually occurring - i.e. if the driver had slammed on his brakes at the entrance where the ice begins, there is a possibility he would not have impacted the otehr car - he still would have ended up in the middle of the near lane, perpendicular to traffic

last i checked ice provides zero friction between the tires and the road, black ice is even worse coz u cant see it.....tell me how to control a car that has no friction between its tires and the road and ill pay u to teach me

hitting the gas, breaks and steering in any direction has no bearing when your on blakc ice...might as well just enjoy the ride

That little patch of snow is no excuse for flying accross the road and slamming into someone.

I drive in that crap every day.

once a car is out of control (and it doesnt take long) unless you are a skilled driver with good reactions your gonna stay out of control till all the speed scrubs off, which on at least wet roads will take longer than the width of the road

There was no excuse for the man to lose control. Like I said, I drive in worse crap here every day, and that parking lot is NOT bad.

 

[Zebo]

Folks, reasonable pain and suffering is not a "jackpot." It's a couple hundred a day or so. I'd say that's a small price to pay for destroying a person's quality of life for a while.

I have no prolem with that either. And just to aviod litigation I know the drivers insurance company will give it w/o proof of real injury as he claims the patented "neck injury". It's really up to Lucky, if he feels the accident "destroyed his quality of life for a while" then so be it.

Just hard for me and others to fathom injury at all in this accident. I've totalled many cars/motorcycles and was fortunate enough to walk away from most w/o issue. fender bender like this impacts my fishing schedule more than anything.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Amused
Vic, I drive in that crap every day. That parking lot and road is NO excuse for flying across a street and hitting someone. NONE.

Neither is it an excuse for saying that the sole cause of the accident was the driver's age, as some here have said.

I have said that the other driver was at fault and that Lucky is due compensation for actual damages. You want to join the crowd who is against me because I won't discriminate on another person due to their age or because I disapprove of Lucky trying to profit from a small fender bender, go right ahead.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Folks, reasonable pain and suffering is not a "jackpot." It's a couple hundred a day or so. I'd say that's a small price to pay for destroying a person's quality of life for a while.

I have no prolem with that either. And just to aviod litigation I know the drivers insurance company will give it w/o proof of real injury as he claims the patented "neck injury". It's really up to Lucky, if he feels the accident "destroyed his quality of life for a while" then so be it.

Just hard for me and others to fathom injury at all in this accident. I've totalled many cars/motorcycles and was fortunate enough to walk away from most w/o issue. fender bender like this impacts my fishing schedule more than anything.

I've yanked a muscle in my neck just by turning to look at something too fast. Injuries can happen, even in the most gentle looking incidents.

 

[Rhin0]

That is some pretty big damage. Bent wheel, thats a bad one. Won't be totalled but it is going to cost some insurance company some bucks.

I hate to see that on a new car, they just never drive the same again after something like that

glad you and your g/f are ok

 

[KLin]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Folks, reasonable pain and suffering is not a "jackpot." It's a couple hundred a day or so. I'd say that's a small price to pay for destroying a person's quality of life for a while.

I have no prolem with that either. And just to aviod litigation I know the drivers insurance company will give it w/o proof of real injury as he claims the patented "neck injury". It's really up to Lucky, if he feels the accident "destroyed his quality of life for a while" then so be it.

Just hard for me and others to fathom injury at all in this accident. I've totalled many cars/motorcycles and was fortunate enough to walk away from most w/o issue. fender bender like this impacts my fishing schedule more than anything.

that's not a fender bender :roll:.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Amused
Vic, I drive in that crap every day. That parking lot and road is NO excuse for flying across a street and hitting someone. NONE.

Neither is it an excuse for saying that the sole cause of the accident was the driver's age, as some here have said.

I have said that the other driver was at fault and that Lucky is due compensation for actual damages. You want to join the crowd who is against me because I won't discriminate on another person due to their age or because I disapprove of Lucky trying to profit from a small fender bender, go right ahead.

I never said it was his age, just his negligence. I have no idea if his age was a contributing factor, or not.

Loss of quality of life is an actual damage.

 

[Lucky]

Vic, no, I'm not a car expert. I'm sorry if I'm using the wrong terminology to counter a six year old who says the car only suffered a broken headlight. :roll:

The officer stayed after my car had been towed off and watched dozens of cars exit that driveway without a single problem. Yet this guy someone was upto a speed of roughly 20mph and never braked before leaving the car wash property. I will be glad to post the police report on tuesday that says ice was not a factor in the accident.

If you had been in a real accident and suffering from whiplash or any other sort of real injury from a wreck (which i have been) you wouldn't be able to even be winning about your situation on an internet forum.

It's not hard to type on a laptop in bed doped up on muscle relaxers and vicoden, moron.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

anyway i still think sueing the old man is abit too much . maybe he was going to fast, maybe he was being careless, maybe there wasnt ice, i just dont see the need for you to dig for more gold than you really need. yes old people are dangerous sometimes, this country isnt exempt from that, hell when he was my age all he need do was prove he could go back and forth and read a sign to get his drivers licence, they should definately be retested or not allowed to drive. in our driving tests you get scruntinised like a piece of high tech machinery, you have to drive perfectly. i nearly rear ended an old guy coz he was using the gears to slow down and not the breaks! almost got taken out at a roundabout too, it was dark and raining and i saw it was clear on the right so i went, only to see a black rover with one side light on nearly wipe me out....luckily i had the reactions to avoid it, i park up and who steps out the car? a little old woman bearly able see over the steering wheel


u should get money for your car and medical bills but imo, asking for more for a little back ache is just being greedy i dunno how some of you guys develope such a mentallity its almost childish

 

[episodic]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
you want pain and suffering right well, jus get your ass over to any third world coutry and you see what real pain and suffering is, your in 10 star luxury compared to what people in places like iraq, africa and vietnam have to live with.

the fact that you wernt seriously injured and dont live under a dictator or comunist reign should be compensation enough ...

WTF does this have to do with an accident in America? Really?

 

[PHiuR]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: myusername
Whether there is ice is, afaik, irrelevant to legal proceedings. A driver is responsible to maintain control of their vehicle and drive appropriately for conditions. While it is possible that the "ice" (packed snow) contributed to the accident actually occurring - i.e. if the driver had slammed on his brakes at the entrance where the ice begins, there is a possibility he would not have impacted the otehr car - he still would have ended up in the middle of the near lane, perpendicular to traffic

last i checked ice provides zero friction between the tires and the road, black ice is even worse coz u cant see it.....tell me how to control a car that has no friction between its tires and the road and ill pay u to teach me

hitting the gas, breaks and steering in any direction has no bearing when your on blakc ice...might as well just enjoy the ride

That little patch of snow is no excuse for flying accross the road and slamming into someone.

I drive in that crap every day.

once a car is out of control (and it doesnt take long) unless you are a skilled driver with good reactions your gonna stay out of control till all the speed scrubs off, which on at least wet roads will take longer than the width of the road

There was no excuse for the man to lose control. Like I said, I drive in worse crap here every day, and that parking lot is NOT bad.

i do also, but shi& happens. especially when he's 85. he probably did not see the ice on the ground...
but at same time it's also clearly not just packed snow and straight up ice.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
anyway i still think sueing the old man is abit too much . maybe he was going to fast, maybe he was being careless, maybe there wasnt ice, i just dont see the need for you to dig for more gold than you really need. yes old people are dangerous sometimes, this country isnt exempt from that, hell when he was my age all he need do was prove he could go back and forth and read a sign to get his drivers licence, they should definately be retested or not allowed to drive. in our driving tests you get scruntinised like a piece of high tech machinery, you have to drive perfectly. i nearly rear ended an old guy coz he was using the gears to slow down and not the breaks! almost got taken out at a roundabout too, it was dark and raining and i saw it was clear on the right so i went, only to see a black rover with one side light on nearly wipe me out....luckily i had the reactions to avoid it, i park up and who steps out the car? a little old woman bearly able see over the steering wheel


u should get money for your car and medical bills but imo, asking for more for a little back ache is just being greedy i dunno how some of you guys develope such a mentallity its almost childish

Again, read the fscking thread. Pain and suffering is compensable in the US and insurance companies will usually give a couple hundred a day without lawsuits or going to court.

No lawsuits.

No greed.

Just compensation for negligently costing someone their quality of life for a short time.

 

[jvarszegi]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Zebo

Folks, reasonable pain and suffering is not a "jackpot." It's a couple hundred a day or so. I'd say that's a small price to pay for destroying a person's quality of life for a while.

I have no prolem with that either. And just to aviod litigation I know the drivers insurance company will give it w/o proof of real injury as he claims the patented "neck injury". It's really up to Lucky, if he feels the accident "destroyed his quality of life for a while" then so be it.

Just hard for me and others to fathom injury at all in this accident. I've totalled many cars/motorcycles and was fortunate enough to walk away from most w/o issue. fender bender like this impacts my fishing schedule more than anything.

I've yanked a muscle in my neck just be turning to look at something too fast. Injuries can happen, even in the most gentle looking incidents.

Amused for elite! Oh, whoops. Thanks for keeping the discussion sane and interesting-- you've got sense.

 

[Steve]

Is it possible that there was little to no ice before the accident, and what we see in the photos is the old man's dripped water, frozen post-collision? I guess I'm asking how busy the car wash was, but I suppose nobody could really know offhand.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: PHiuR

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: myusername
Whether there is ice is, afaik, irrelevant to legal proceedings. A driver is responsible to maintain control of their vehicle and drive appropriately for conditions. While it is possible that the "ice" (packed snow) contributed to the accident actually occurring - i.e. if the driver had slammed on his brakes at the entrance where the ice begins, there is a possibility he would not have impacted the otehr car - he still would have ended up in the middle of the near lane, perpendicular to traffic

last i checked ice provides zero friction between the tires and the road, black ice is even worse coz u cant see it.....tell me how to control a car that has no friction between its tires and the road and ill pay u to teach me

hitting the gas, breaks and steering in any direction has no bearing when your on blakc ice...might as well just enjoy the ride

That little patch of snow is no excuse for flying accross the road and slamming into someone.

I drive in that crap every day.

once a car is out of control (and it doesnt take long) unless you are a skilled driver with good reactions your gonna stay out of control till all the speed scrubs off, which on at least wet roads will take longer than the width of the road

There was no excuse for the man to lose control. Like I said, I drive in worse crap here every day, and that parking lot is NOT bad.

i do also, but shi& happens. especially when he's 85. he probably did not see the ice on the ground...
but at same time it's also clearly not just packed snow and straight up ice.

Packed snow is white. Ice is clear or black. That is packed snow. I drive in this crap daily. I know. What is leading up to the man's car is WATER from the car wash that dripped off his car. Not ice

And the speed at which the man hit him shows the man was going too fast to begin with. There is wheel, axle and frame damage to Lucky's car. Who goes 20 MPH when they hit a parking lot exit ramp?

Shit happens when people are negligent.

 

[Amused]

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[Lucky]

Here is another pictures showing how little ice there was from the exit of the actual carwash to the exit onto the street:

pic

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Amused
Packed snow is white. Ice is clear or black. That is packed snow. I drive in this crap daily. I know.

Snow on top of ice is white. Just saying it's possible. I'm thinking too fast for conditions as well.

- M4H

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
anyway i still think sueing the old man is abit too much . maybe he was going to fast, maybe he was being careless, maybe there wasnt ice, i just dont see the need for you to dig for more gold than you really need. yes old people are dangerous sometimes, this country isnt exempt from that, hell when he was my age all he need do was prove he could go back and forth and read a sign to get his drivers licence, they should definately be retested or not allowed to drive. in our driving tests you get scruntinised like a piece of high tech machinery, you have to drive perfectly. i nearly rear ended an old guy coz he was using the gears to slow down and not the breaks! almost got taken out at a roundabout too, it was dark and raining and i saw it was clear on the right so i went, only to see a black rover with one side light on nearly wipe me out....luckily i had the reactions to avoid it, i park up and who steps out the car? a little old woman bearly able see over the steering wheel


u should get money for your car and medical bills but imo, asking for more for a little back ache is just being greedy i dunno how some of you guys develope such a mentallity its almost childish

Again, read the fscking thread. Pain and suffering is compensable in the US and insurance companies will usually give a couple hundred a day without lawsuits or going to court.

No lawsuits.

No greed.

Just compensation for negligently costing someone their quality of life for a short time.

well i wont be living in country where a little whip lash is deemed pain and suffering, man it makes it sound like youve been tortured for months or being beaten up everyday. my mum has more pain and suffering than him, shes had two hip replacements on the same hip and has been in constant pain for years. and this guys rolling round like he's been hard done to. never mind that the accidnents my mums been in have made her hips worse

the fact u can get money for a superficial injury just goes to show how totally stupid your legal system is, and i thought the british one was pretty screwed up. when im on holiday in california this year i think i mite just trip in a shopping mall and claim it ruined my holiday coz i had a little pain walking

maybe ill get some money and ill buy a flash laptop before i leave

 

[Amused]

Lucky, where are you?

 

[t3hmuffinman]

mmmm didn't read any of the other posts, but I understand that you are in pain. just please don't exploit the old man. Yes, you should be compensated, but don't make him into a poor old beggar.