85 year old man crashed into my new car yesterday (pics)

[Steve]

Originally posted by: luvya
How about show us a picture of your so called "serious injury"? Otherwise, I call shen!

WTF do you want, an x-ray? How about a scan of the doctor's diagnosis? :roll:

 

[Zebo]

I'm going to have to remeber punch the gas in my next accident with someone. If they going to bitch I might as well give them a good reason to cry.

 

[brigden]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: brigden
If you're in so much pain and suffering, why are you posting on the Internet? I thought you were allegedly "doped up in bed."

YOU ARE SCUM.

He is scum because he is asking for compensation for being made to suffer???

I can post on the Internet with massive pain. I've posted on the Internet after operations and on pain pills. That doesn't mean I wasn't in pain, or suffering.

Causing pain and suffering through negligence SHOULD be compensated for. No one should have to go through pain due to the negligence of another.

He was involved in a minor accident. He is fully entitled to recieve compensation for damage to his vehicle, medical expenses, lost wages. I personally believe he should be compensated for having to rent another vehicle.

However, seeking compensation for pain and suffering is a load of complete and utter pussy-weasel-money-grubbing-bollocks. Give me a fvcking break.

You bloody yanks and your litigeous culture are so quick to jump down someone's throat to make a quick buck.

How would you feel if the roles were reversed? Assume you were coming out of the carwash when you sneezed and smashed into another vehicle. Imagine being sued for pain and suffering when you knew the idiot was only out to make a couple of bucks.

Seriously, I want to know: What is the motive to sue? You clearly don't deserve the money, why do you feel entitled to it? You likely won't be out any cash and will likely only suffer the temporary inconvenience. This minor accident has unlikely caused any long-term damage to either individual.

The only reason you want to sue is for personal profit.

People like you are the reason why American (indeed Western) society is so boring. Everybody is afraid of being sued. There are disclaimers everywhere. You have to watch what you say for fear of offending everyone.

I see this event as contributing to the slow death of common sense and good nature. You people make me sick.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: Dopefiend

Originally posted by: sm8000

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: Dopefiend

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
in britain its so simple, you crash, you get insurance details and then you file the claim to each insurance company, the police dont even need to be involved unless its a big crash. call a tow truck if needs be and then your off home or for a check up, and you just rest at home with a warm drink savouring the time off work (sick pay) then a week later your all better, less stressed you got your car back and everythings normal again.....what is so hard bout that?

It was slightly different for me when I had an accident two years ago- travelling down a regular town-sized road at about 5:30pm, headlights on, and someone pulled out across my path to turn right (or, my left I suppose). Totalled her Golf (and I mean totalled, I couldn't believe the amount of damage to her car at just 30mph - bonnet, tire burst, offside wing...), and the rental car I was in suffered a busted bumper and the alternator (which sits behind the bumper on that car) had to be cut free.

However, she would not admit liability for a whole freaking year, so the insurance company wouldn't pay out. In a different, previous accident (rear-ended at about 15mph), the guy's insurance company, again, wouldn't act until he declared the accident to them! :|

Having said all that, I did get some whiplash, and I let it go. People just don't sue much over here, we just get on with life

:beer: to a fellow hardy Brit.

Brits are obviously more hardcore than alot of americans....for instance we dont need shoulder pads n helmets to play rugby. johnny wilkinson goes to my uni and hes a flippin beast of a man!

I see how that's relevant! :roll:

Agreed, it's a little "out there"
Deviating off-topic just a little bit more, I think the reason that our rugby players look like they've been through hundreds of bar fights is because they don't wear padding

well i respect them more for that, what goods a victory if theres no scars to remember it

 

[Zebo]

There are no such things as "accidents." If someone's car hits a patch of ice and loses control, they were going too fast for conditions.

Really? I can think of 1000's of examples. How about if you have a stroke or heart attack?

 

[otispunkmeyer]

america is whacked .... you guys have different rules for each state? i can see where the confusion comes from, i stil dont agree with the sue one and all for any type of accident though.

do you have to pay for medical care or something?

here we get the NHS, basically the government takes money (tax) off what u earn and it goes towards things like roads and police, and hospitals. when you need medical treatment (long as its not specialist) you go to hospital an they fix you up, dont have to pay anything.

in america do you have to have medical insurance if anything goes wrong and u need surgery? if u dont have it what happens? do they leave u to die?

also if your off work for legit reasons we get sick pay, get payed usual amount just not at work.

if your in a car accident usually u either go to hospital for NHS treatment or u get a ride home in a AA van, the place that fixes your car up gives you a courtesy car, and the other guys insurance pays for repairs


can anyone explain exactly what goes on in america in regards to insurance, medical, and the way things are handled?

 

[otispunkmeyer]

n/m

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: brigden

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: brigden
If you're in so much pain and suffering, why are you posting on the Internet? I thought you were allegedly "doped up in bed."

YOU ARE SCUM.

He is scum because he is asking for compensation for being made to suffer???

I can post on the Internet with massive pain. I've posted on the Internet after operations and on pain pills. That doesn't mean I wasn't in pain, or suffering.

Causing pain and suffering through negligence SHOULD be compensated for. No one should have to go through pain due to the negligence of another.

He was involved in a minor accident. He is fully entitled to recieve compensation for damage to his vehicle, medical expenses, lost wages. I personally believe he should be compensated for having to rent another vehicle.

However, seeking compensation for pain and suffering is a load of complete and utter pussy-weasel-money-grubbing-bollocks. Give me a fvcking break.

You bloody yanks and your litigeous culture are so quick to jump down someone's throat to make a quick buck.

How would you feel if the roles were reversed? Assume you were coming out of the carwash when you sneezed and smashed into another vehicle. Imagine being sued for pain and suffering when you knew the idiot was only out to make a couple of bucks.

Seriously, I want to know: What is the motive to sue? You clearly don't deserve the money, why do you feel entitled to it? You likely won't be out any cash and will likely only suffer the temporary inconvenience. This minor accident has unlikely caused any long-term damage to either individual.

The only reason you want to sue is for personal profit.

People like you are the reason why American (indeed Western) society is so boring. Everybody is afraid of being sued. There are disclaimers everywhere. You have to watch what you say for fear of offending everyone.

I see this event as contributing to the slow death of common sense and good nature. You people make me sick.

You are yet again giving in to knee-jerk reactionism.

Chances are the insurance company will compensate him out of court for his pain and suffering. No law suit required.

So that just leaves "pussy." Tell me, if I break your nose, will you not suffer for days, or weeks because of it? Do you not deserve compensation for that time?

Negligent acts should be paid for by the negligent party. That is part of dealing with personal responsibility.

 

[Lucky]

"You clearly don't deserve the money, why do you feel entitled to it? You likely won't be out any cash and will likely only suffer the temporary inconvenience. This minor accident has unlikely caused any long-term damage to either individual. "


I clearly don't deserve money? Why not? How are you determining that or the length of our injuries?

As Amused says, I deserve to be compensated for my injuries.

 

[brigden]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: brigden

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: brigden
If you're in so much pain and suffering, why are you posting on the Internet? I thought you were allegedly "doped up in bed."

YOU ARE SCUM.

He is scum because he is asking for compensation for being made to suffer???

I can post on the Internet with massive pain. I've posted on the Internet after operations and on pain pills. That doesn't mean I wasn't in pain, or suffering.

Causing pain and suffering through negligence SHOULD be compensated for. No one should have to go through pain due to the negligence of another.

He was involved in a minor accident. He is fully entitled to recieve compensation for damage to his vehicle, medical expenses, lost wages. I personally believe he should be compensated for having to rent another vehicle.

However, seeking compensation for pain and suffering is a load of complete and utter pussy-weasel-money-grubbing-bollocks. Give me a fvcking break.

You bloody yanks and your litigeous culture are so quick to jump down someone's throat to make a quick buck.

How would you feel if the roles were reversed? Assume you were coming out of the carwash when you sneezed and smashed into another vehicle. Imagine being sued for pain and suffering when you knew the idiot was only out to make a couple of bucks.

Seriously, I want to know: What is the motive to sue? You clearly don't deserve the money, why do you feel entitled to it? You likely won't be out any cash and will likely only suffer the temporary inconvenience. This minor accident has unlikely caused any long-term damage to either individual.

The only reason you want to sue is for personal profit.

People like you are the reason why American (indeed Western) society is so boring. Everybody is afraid of being sued. There are disclaimers everywhere. You have to watch what you say for fear of offending everyone.

I see this event as contributing to the slow death of common sense and good nature. You people make me sick.

You are yet again giving in to knee-jerk reactionism.

Chances are the insurance company will compensate him out of court for his pain and suffering. No law suit required.

So that just leaves "pussy." Tell me, if I break your nose, will you not suffer for days, or weeks because of it? Do you not deserve compensation for that time?

Negligent acts should be paid for by the negligent party. That is part of dealing with personal responsibility.

You're a real tough guy. :roll:

Personal responsibility would be sucking it up and being happy he wasn't more seriously injured.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: brigden

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: brigden
If you're in so much pain and suffering, why are you posting on the Internet? I thought you were allegedly "doped up in bed."

YOU ARE SCUM.

He is scum because he is asking for compensation for being made to suffer???

I can post on the Internet with massive pain. I've posted on the Internet after operations and on pain pills. That doesn't mean I wasn't in pain, or suffering.

Causing pain and suffering through negligence SHOULD be compensated for. No one should have to go through pain due to the negligence of another.

He was involved in a minor accident. He is fully entitled to recieve compensation for damage to his vehicle, medical expenses, lost wages. I personally believe he should be compensated for having to rent another vehicle.

However, seeking compensation for pain and suffering is a load of complete and utter pussy-weasel-money-grubbing-bollocks. Give me a fvcking break.

You bloody yanks and your litigeous culture are so quick to jump down someone's throat to make a quick buck.

How would you feel if the roles were reversed? Assume you were coming out of the carwash when you sneezed and smashed into another vehicle. Imagine being sued for pain and suffering when you knew the idiot was only out to make a couple of bucks.

Seriously, I want to know: What is the motive to sue? You clearly don't deserve the money, why do you feel entitled to it? You likely won't be out any cash and will likely only suffer the temporary inconvenience. This minor accident has unlikely caused any long-term damage to either individual.

The only reason you want to sue is for personal profit.

People like you are the reason why American (indeed Western) society is so boring. Everybody is afraid of being sued. There are disclaimers everywhere. You have to watch what you say for fear of offending everyone.

I see this event as contributing to the slow death of common sense and good nature. You people make me sick.

You are yet again giving in to knee-jerk reactionism.

Chances are the insurance company will compensate him out of court for his pain and suffering. No law suit required.

So that just leaves "pussy." Tell me, if I break your nose, will you not suffer for days, or weeks because of it? Do you not deserve compensation for that time?

Negligent acts should be paid for by the negligent party. That is part of dealing with personal responsibility.

He did'nt break anything but *maybe the front blinker houseing in this little fender bender. It looks to me like 5MPH crash and he chasing jackpot justice.

 

[myusername]

Whether there is ice is, afaik, irrelevant to legal proceedings. A driver is responsible to maintain control of their vehicle and drive appropriately for conditions. While it is possible that the "ice" (packed snow) contributed to the accident actually occurring - i.e. if the driver had slammed on his brakes at the entrance where the ice begins, there is a possibility he would not have impacted the otehr car - he still would have ended up in the middle of the near lane, perpendicular to traffic

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: Lucky
"You clearly don't deserve the money, why do you feel entitled to it? You likely won't be out any cash and will likely only suffer the temporary inconvenience. This minor accident has unlikely caused any long-term damage to either individual. "


I clearly don't deserve money? Why not? How are you determining that or the length of our injuries?

As Amused says, I deserve to be compensated for my injuries.

what injuries? aches n pains dont count, bruises dont count either, you can get them jus by walking into things

blood, broken bones, missing teeth, internal bleeding, fractures, torn ligaments, now theyre injuries.


you actually make the premier league footballers look like hardcore mercenaries, ( and these guys are know to fall over with a hamstring injury if another player even does so much as breathes on them)

 

[KLin]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: brigden

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: brigden
If you're in so much pain and suffering, why are you posting on the Internet? I thought you were allegedly "doped up in bed."

YOU ARE SCUM.

He is scum because he is asking for compensation for being made to suffer???

I can post on the Internet with massive pain. I've posted on the Internet after operations and on pain pills. That doesn't mean I wasn't in pain, or suffering.

Causing pain and suffering through negligence SHOULD be compensated for. No one should have to go through pain due to the negligence of another.

He was involved in a minor accident. He is fully entitled to recieve compensation for damage to his vehicle, medical expenses, lost wages. I personally believe he should be compensated for having to rent another vehicle.

However, seeking compensation for pain and suffering is a load of complete and utter pussy-weasel-money-grubbing-bollocks. Give me a fvcking break.

You bloody yanks and your litigeous culture are so quick to jump down someone's throat to make a quick buck.

How would you feel if the roles were reversed? Assume you were coming out of the carwash when you sneezed and smashed into another vehicle. Imagine being sued for pain and suffering when you knew the idiot was only out to make a couple of bucks.

Seriously, I want to know: What is the motive to sue? You clearly don't deserve the money, why do you feel entitled to it? You likely won't be out any cash and will likely only suffer the temporary inconvenience. This minor accident has unlikely caused any long-term damage to either individual.

The only reason you want to sue is for personal profit.

People like you are the reason why American (indeed Western) society is so boring. Everybody is afraid of being sued. There are disclaimers everywhere. You have to watch what you say for fear of offending everyone.

I see this event as contributing to the slow death of common sense and good nature. You people make me sick.

You are yet again giving in to knee-jerk reactionism.

Chances are the insurance company will compensate him out of court for his pain and suffering. No law suit required.

So that just leaves "pussy." Tell me, if I break your nose, will you not suffer for days, or weeks because of it? Do you not deserve compensation for that time?

Negligent acts should be paid for by the negligent party. That is part of dealing with personal responsibility.

He did'nt break anything but *maybe the front blinker houseing in this little fender bender. It looks to me like 5MPH crash and he chasing jackpot justice.

a 5mph collision would maybe result in a dent and a cracked headlight. Lucky's Scion has quite a bit more damage than that.

 

[Lucky]

He did'nt break anything but *mayb*e the front blinker houseing in this little fender bender. It looks to me like 5MPH crash and he chasing jackpot justice.

WTF are you talking about? The ENTIRE front end is going to need to be replaced. I don't think anything on it was unscathed. In addition, there is a good chance that there is frame or axle damage. Notice how the wheel is off-kilter?

 

[PHiuR]

Originally posted by: Lucky

Originally posted by: Vic
Nope, no ice here

there's not until the very end. Look again.

yeah...he sped up to the exit...(some people drive like that) probably going 10-20mph?
then tried to stop at the very end. but couldnt because of the icepatch which is CLEARLY there.

still HIS fault 100% for not going slower and being in control.

all i have to say is karma.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: myusername
Whether there is ice is, afaik, irrelevant to legal proceedings. A driver is responsible to maintain control of their vehicle and drive appropriately for conditions. While it is possible that the "ice" (packed snow) contributed to the accident actually occurring - i.e. if the driver had slammed on his brakes at the entrance where the ice begins, there is a possibility he would not have impacted the otehr car - he still would have ended up in the middle of the near lane, perpendicular to traffic

last i checked ice provides zero friction between the tires and the road, black ice is even worse coz u cant see it.....tell me how to control a car that has no friction between its tires and the road and ill pay u to teach me

hitting the gas, breaks and steering in any direction has no bearing when your on blakc ice...might as well just enjoy the ride

 

[HyTekJosh]

Originally posted by: FlyLice
You won't get shvt for pain and suffering unless you lost an arm or leg.

Not true at all. My mom got $10,000 because she got rear-ended and her foot was fractured in the accident. She was in a great deal of pain walking around for over 6 months. I have also worked in multiple law offices and they would not be in business if it was not possible to win claims for pain and suffering.

Edit: BTW, that $10k was in addition to having all medical expenses paid, along with the deductible, rental car, and car being fixed.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: brigden

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: brigden

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: brigden
If you're in so much pain and suffering, why are you posting on the Internet? I thought you were allegedly "doped up in bed."

YOU ARE SCUM.

He is scum because he is asking for compensation for being made to suffer???

I can post on the Internet with massive pain. I've posted on the Internet after operations and on pain pills. That doesn't mean I wasn't in pain, or suffering.

Causing pain and suffering through negligence SHOULD be compensated for. No one should have to go through pain due to the negligence of another.

He was involved in a minor accident. He is fully entitled to recieve compensation for damage to his vehicle, medical expenses, lost wages. I personally believe he should be compensated for having to rent another vehicle.

However, seeking compensation for pain and suffering is a load of complete and utter pussy-weasel-money-grubbing-bollocks. Give me a fvcking break.

You bloody yanks and your litigeous culture are so quick to jump down someone's throat to make a quick buck.

How would you feel if the roles were reversed? Assume you were coming out of the carwash when you sneezed and smashed into another vehicle. Imagine being sued for pain and suffering when you knew the idiot was only out to make a couple of bucks.

Seriously, I want to know: What is the motive to sue? You clearly don't deserve the money, why do you feel entitled to it? You likely won't be out any cash and will likely only suffer the temporary inconvenience. This minor accident has unlikely caused any long-term damage to either individual.

The only reason you want to sue is for personal profit.

People like you are the reason why American (indeed Western) society is so boring. Everybody is afraid of being sued. There are disclaimers everywhere. You have to watch what you say for fear of offending everyone.

I see this event as contributing to the slow death of common sense and good nature. You people make me sick.

You are yet again giving in to knee-jerk reactionism.

Chances are the insurance company will compensate him out of court for his pain and suffering. No law suit required.

So that just leaves "pussy." Tell me, if I break your nose, will you not suffer for days, or weeks because of it? Do you not deserve compensation for that time?

Negligent acts should be paid for by the negligent party. That is part of dealing with personal responsibility.

You're a real tough guy. :roll:

Personal responsibility would be sucking it up and being happy he wasn't more seriously injured.

I'm not trying to be "tough." I'm trying to use an example.

There is no reason why he should have to suck anything up. There's no reason for him to be happy about anything. This isn't his fault. He WAS responsible. He didn't go out and hit someone. The other driver did.

Folks, reasonable pain and suffering is not a "jackpot." It's a couple hundred a day or so. I'd say that's a small price to pay for destroying a person's quality of life for a while.

 

[shimsham]

Originally posted by: Vic
Nope, no ice here

combine that with the fact that he just left a car wash, and i can see where he would slide out into the road. throw water on top of ice and snow, and youre on a slip and slide. you and that cop must be blind not too see that. hell, id sue the car wash company for neglecting to provide safe conditions of their parking lot before the old man.

its bullsh!t everyone saying old people shouldnt drive. while i believe they should be tested frequently once past a certain age, they should be stopped based on medical/cognitive conditions, not just age.

my wife and daughter were hit by a 65 yo man a few years ago. he was doing 45+ and rear-ended them. completely fvcked the car up. they were sore a few days, and we went on with our life and they are fine now. i guess my 6yo daughter and 30yo wife are tougher than you? no offense lucky, but pain and suffering in such a minor fender bender = money grubbing. accidents happen.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: Lucky

He did'nt break anything but *mayb*e the front blinker houseing in this little fender bender. It looks to me like 5MPH crash and he chasing jackpot justice.

WTF are you talking about? The ENTIRE front end is going to need to be replaced. I don't think anything on it was unscathed. In addition, there is a good chance that there is frame or axle damage. Notice how the wheel is off-kilter?

axle damage in a front wheel drive car

nice one

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: myusername
Whether there is ice is, afaik, irrelevant to legal proceedings. A driver is responsible to maintain control of their vehicle and drive appropriately for conditions. While it is possible that the "ice" (packed snow) contributed to the accident actually occurring - i.e. if the driver had slammed on his brakes at the entrance where the ice begins, there is a possibility he would not have impacted the otehr car - he still would have ended up in the middle of the near lane, perpendicular to traffic

last i checked ice provides zero friction between the tires and the road, black ice is even worse coz u cant see it.....tell me how to control a car that has no friction between its tires and the road and ill pay u to teach me

hitting the gas, breaks and steering in any direction has no bearing when your on blakc ice...might as well just enjoy the ride

That little patch of snow is no excuse for flying accross the road and slamming into someone.

I drive in that crap every day.

 

[Stark]

to use the Queen's English...

I'm sure lucky would much rather be shagging his bird rotten than sitting in bed feeling like shite. The bloke absobloodylutely deserves something for that loss. Calling him an airy-fairy is all mouth and no trousers.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Lucky

Originally posted by: Vic
Nope, no ice here

there's not until the very end. Look again.

At a downhill point right when he would have turned the wheels. It's pretty obvious he understeered right into you at low speed. Not surprising, downhill ice plus FWD generally does cause understeer. If your car hadn't been there, he would have wrecked anyway, now wouldn't he?
And why would I apologize? I know traffic laws. Skidding on skating rink thick ice still would not remove the other driver of his fault in the accident, as a driver is required to maintain control of his vehicle at all times. The officer rightfully wrote the other driver up for losing control. My point is that you (and Stark) are putting the cause of the accident on the driver's age, and I think that is unfair. I will not apologize for that.

Originally posted by: Lucky
WTF are you talking about? The ENTIRE front end is going to need to be replaced. I don't think anything on it was unscathed. In addition, there is a good chance that there is frame or axle damage. Notice how the wheel is off-kilter?

Whew... thank God, you're an expert! :roll:
The wheel is like that from a damaged lower control arm. Axle damage means nothing in an FWD. Strut top mount damage is a concern there, but I sincerely doubt the frame is damaged.

 

[Drakkon]

Originally posted by: Lucky
"You clearly don't deserve the money, why do you feel entitled to it? You likely won't be out any cash and will likely only suffer the temporary inconvenience. This minor accident has unlikely caused any long-term damage to either individual. "


I clearly don't deserve money? Why not? How are you determining that or the length of our injuries?

As Amused says, I deserve to be compensated for my injuries.

I'm in agreement with the people that say you deserve nothing extra than what you are getting. Its clear that this "pain and suffering" in this case is just bullshit. Pain and suffering (as defined by the court i worked in) was defined as only when the person was injured to the point where they couldn't function as normal for an extended period of time.
If you had been in a real accident and suffering from whiplash or any other sort of real injury from a wreck (which i have been) you wouldn't be able to even be winning about your situation on an internet forum. Your keeping up your average posts per day in here so i say if anything this guy contributed to your normal life.

I do however agree with the fact that old people shouldnt drive and he should be made an example of. If any of the old farts around me hit my car I'd take them for all i could You deserve the money to repair whatever cars you were driving and cover your doc bills