85 year old man crashed into my new car yesterday (pics)

[Iron Woode]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: jvarszegi

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: meltdown75
Sorry you got in an addicent man, that blows.

This pic makes me the saddest of all though: Text

I know, I know... bleeding hearts unite. Good luck with this situation, I hope it doesn't drag on too long.

exactly, you wil be the biggest TW@T in the world to sue an old man, who probably fought for your freedom anyway, becuase u have a little neck ache

Obfuscation and misdirection. The old man's service (or lack of) has nothing to do with his negligent driving habits. Maybe he was a conscientious objector, or a Nazi. WTF does that have to do with anything?

Do you remember that news item a year or so ago where the old man killed 14 people by plowing into a crowd? These types of things happen with alarming frequency. Me, I believe that no one is really engineered to drive; we're engineered for activities like chasing antelopes across grassy areas, throwing spears, etc. However, we're stuck with the rapid advance of technology, and our legal system is just too slow to catch up. Old people shouldn't drive.

i know thats got nout to do with the accident, im just saying, id be giving that man some respect rather than slapping a bit "YOU OWE ME MONEY" demand on his table. people have accidents, get over it. bunch of pussy's

you are an idiot.

Old or not, he is responsible for damaging property and causing injuries. He needs to be held responsible.

Go talk to an insurrance investigator about seniors and accidents. Watch as they cringe when they have to investigate a crash involving seniors. Seniors are causing more problems for insurrance companies than any other group.

You should feel sorry for seniors. Its not their fault they are old. :roll:

I feel sorry for the people they maim and kill everyday. I have respect for their victims. Respect is earned not given because you are old.

Accidents happen because too many negligent drivers are on the road. No one wants to take responsibilty for their actions. That's why there are lawyers and laws and courts.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: toekramp
the majority of the people in this forum are self-righteous assholes, if the old man can't drive why the fvck wouldn't you sue him. it's his responsibility, you all get nailed by a guy, have back and neck pain (and you don't know if they are chronic or not) and then come back in here. morons

another wimp, ive had my share of nasty accidents, much worse than a fender bender into a snow bank, (try T-Boned into someones front garden, we almost rolled through the front room, ive had all the pains and i just got on with it, and i was only 15 at the time. and multiple 360's on black ice ending up backwards in a tree car was a write off and so much for 4x4 )

alot of you are obviously brought up wrapped in a protective blanket till your like 20, then when something bad happens its like WTF im gunna sue.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: Iron Woode

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: jvarszegi

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: meltdown75
Sorry you got in an addicent man, that blows.

This pic makes me the saddest of all though: Text

I know, I know... bleeding hearts unite. Good luck with this situation, I hope it doesn't drag on too long.

exactly, you wil be the biggest TW@T in the world to sue an old man, who probably fought for your freedom anyway, becuase u have a little neck ache

Obfuscation and misdirection. The old man's service (or lack of) has nothing to do with his negligent driving habits. Maybe he was a conscientious objector, or a Nazi. WTF does that have to do with anything?

Do you remember that news item a year or so ago where the old man killed 14 people by plowing into a crowd? These types of things happen with alarming frequency. Me, I believe that no one is really engineered to drive; we're engineered for activities like chasing antelopes across grassy areas, throwing spears, etc. However, we're stuck with the rapid advance of technology, and our legal system is just too slow to catch up. Old people shouldn't drive.

i know thats got nout to do with the accident, im just saying, id be giving that man some respect rather than slapping a bit "YOU OWE ME MONEY" demand on his table. people have accidents, get over it. bunch of pussy's

you are an idiot.

Old or not, he is responsible for damaging property and causing injuries. He needs to be held responsible.

Go talk to an insurrance investigator about seniors and accidents. Watch as they cringe when they have to investigate a crash involving seniors. Seniors are causing more problems for insurrance companies than any other group.

You should feel sorry for seniors. Its not their fault they are old. :roll:

I feel sorry for the people they maim and kill everyday. I have respect for their victims. Respect is earned not given because you are old.

Accidents happen because too many negligent drivers are on the road. No one wants to take responsibilty for their actions. That's why there are lawyers and laws and courts.

better an idiot that can handle a little pain, that a complete baby who needs to be compesated to the roof over a fender bender

and actually (here in the UK anyway) its tw@ts with fast cars/ or boy racing ricers who have too much car and too little skil that cause the accidents

 

[IndieSnob]

Originally posted by: Lucky
"The crux of my argument is this: you're not suffering undue harm from this accident other than what you'll be compensated for. Why sue for pain and suffering that isn't there? Your pain is covered. Your suffering is nonexistent. "


No, my medical treatments are covered. The pain (and certainly suffering as well) has NOT been covered.

Good lord, you don't even know if there's any sort of permanent physical damage or not (which there probably isn't) and you're ready to call an ambulance chaser. Simple fact is you have VERY light injuries that will go away in a week or two. To say that you are suffering is alot of absolute bullcrap. If you can't handle the stress of a fender bender, then stop driving. The simple fact is some people drive like idiots, no matter the age, but at the speeds you were hit at, there's nil probability you're suffering. If everyone sued for minor backpain and whiplash, you'd be paying a grand a month for insurance. Be a man, get over the pain, and quit acting like a little girl.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Lucky
I'm glad you were able to walk away from an accident 10x as worse with no pain. Good for you. Not all accidents are the same though. But hey, I'm glad you are able to determine from afar how I don't "deserve" it.

My rental car will NOT be paid for, however, according to what I'm being told.

I don't really care how old he is, whatever actions I take against him would be the same if he was 25 or 85.

Check your state laws. Generally, you are entitled to a rental car while your car is disabled and/or being repaired regardless of your coverage if the accident was not your fault. If you and the person who hit you have the same insurance company, do not trust that company to tell you the truth. Call your state insurance commission on Monday.

I'm sorry, but the damage appears to be very minimal. I know it might look like a lot, but it's not. The car will not be totaled. If you were injured as seriously as you say in that, then I will not be buying a Scion anytime soon, I can tell you that. Regardless, you are entitled to be compensated for your medical costs and time missed from work. What you want is more than that and you know it -- you want punitive. Get over it.

As for the person's age, you brought it up. Looking at the pictures, it seems pretty obvious that the cause of the accident was that he lost control and skidded on the ice, and not his age.

 

[mchammer187]

Originally posted by: jumpr

Originally posted by: Lucky
"But it's tough to prove negligence when the guy's only fault is that he's old. "


That's his only fault? What about ramming on the gas pedal instead of the brake into oncoming traffic, then blaming the accident on phantom ice that supposedly covered the whole length of the car wash's parking lot? The officer disagreed with his explanation of how it happened and even had me document that the path of his car did not have ice the whole way and that he should have been able to stop.

He was ticketed for his fault in the accident. And he'll be punished by his insurance premiums, which will likely go up substantially, or he'll be dropped from his policy. The crux of my argument is this: you're not suffering undue harm from this accident other than what you'll be compensated for. Why sue for pain and suffering that isn't there? Your pain is covered. Your suffering is nonexistent.

I was in a car accident (not my fault, but my car was totalled) last year during finals week at college. I need my car to get to class. I had to take an hour-and-a-half long bus ride to get to campus each day for finals, and all the hair was burned (literally, burned) off my arm from the airbags, and I had wrist pain requiring a brace.

Did I ask for punitive damages? No, because I can deal with inconvenience without being a dick and suing someone who made a mistake. I sure as hell wouldn't want someone to target me for some easy cash in that situation...why do you have to act like you're entitled to EXTRA money because some old guy made a mistake?

by that logic rich person could carelessly go around an "accidentally" lets say 20 bones in your body and only expect to pay your medical bills

because that is compensation enough right?

if he was fine other than the car being wrecked he should let him go but if he did suffer alot of pain than i would go after him

if i was able to completely recover in say 1 or 2 days fine whatever

but if i am still experiencing back pains say a month later once you agree the the insurance settlment you are SOL

 

[jpeyton]

Bottom line: you need a lawyer. You're going to get shot down quickly if you try to do this yourself.

 

[IndieSnob]

Also, what are you doing postured over a keyboard replying every few minutes if your back really hurt that much? Pain and suffering my foot. :roll:

 

[Stark]

this can really screw up a car

i got into an accident where someone hit the front side of my car and it completely tweaked the frame. The car was never the same afterwards. It looks like the accident was pretty severe... the car went from going one direction to 90 degrees in another direction. I'd want pain and suffering also. I'm sure the old dude has insurance. If a company is willing to cover him, it should be ready to pay out when something like this happens.

if any of you remember the old guy in Santa Monica who killed a bunch of people for doing exactly what this old guy did, you might be a little less eager to jump to his defense.

driving is just as much a privledge for an 85 year old guy as it is for a 16 year old kid. if you can't do it well, you have no right to be on the road. If he's claiming that ice caused the wreck, it sounds like he's either in denial or suffering dementia. If he was my all-time favorite grandpa, I'd say the exact same thing.

 

[AnyMal]

Apparently you feel well enought to come here and whine. "Suffering" my ass.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

jesus this compensation culture is 100% pathetic, guess im changin my mind about moving over the US (less theres a state where people dont sue you for looking at them) think ill try OZ instead, or new zeland

lucky you really are making a moutain out of a mole hill

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Bottom line: you need a lawyer. You're going to get shot down quickly if you try to do this yourself.

You don't have any idea what you're talking about. Fools that use lawyers (for real injuies) end up with 33-40% less than they could have had by dealing straight away with the defendants insurance company. Lawyers like this are blood suckers who fill out a simple from and get thousands of dollars from thier victims. Victimized twice you are.

 

[rh71]

wow how does someone go 20-25 mph out of a lot like that ? I see ice at the point of exit from the lot... did he just slide or did he just do an elderly-drivers thing to you ?

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: Stark
this can really screw up a car

i got into an accident where someone hit the front side of my car and it completely tweaked the frame. The car was never the same afterwards. It looks like the accident was pretty severe... the car went from going one direction to 90 degrees in another direction. I'd want pain and suffering also. I'm sure the old dude has insurance. If a company is willing to cover him, it should be ready to pay out when something like this happens.

if any of you remember the old guy in Santa Monica who killed a bunch of people for doing exactly what this old guy did, you might be a little less eager to jump to his defense.

driving is just as much a privledge for an 85 year old guy as it is for a 16 year old kid. if you can't do it well, you have no right to be on the road. If he's claiming that ice caused the wreck, it sounds like he's either in denial or suffering dementia. If he was my all-time favorite grandpa, I'd say the exact same thing.

OMG the air bag never even deployed....that was a hell of a crash!

 

[James3shin]

Lucky will get money, it just depends how good his lawyer is...I also feel the elderly man should not have been driving. That is all.

 

Originally posted by: Stark
if any of you remember the old guy in Santa Monica who killed a bunch of people for doing exactly what this old guy did, you might be a little less eager to jump to his defense.

THIS GUY DIDN'T KILL ANYONE. I'm not sure why you're comparing Lucky's fender bender with the mowing down of dozens of shoppers in an outdoor market. This is an old guy who's made a mistake.

 

[brigden]

Pain and suffering? What a load of shite. You money-grubbing little turd.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: jumpr

Originally posted by: Stark
if any of you remember the old guy in Santa Monica who killed a bunch of people for doing exactly what this old guy did, you might be a little less eager to jump to his defense.

THIS GUY DIDN'T KILL ANYONE. I'm not sure why you're comparing Lucky's fender bender with the mowing down of dozens of shoppers in an outdoor market. This is an old guy who's made a mistake.

what he said

 

[Lucky]

Originally posted by: IndieSnob
Also, what are you doing postured over a keyboard replying every few minutes if your back really hurt that much? Pain and suffering my foot. :roll:

I'm in bed, asshat. Ever hear of laptop computers? :|

As for the person's age, you brought it up. Looking at the pictures, it seems pretty obvious that the cause of the accident was that he lost control and skidded on the ice, and not his age.

From the exit point of the actual car wash to the street exit, there is NO ice. The only ice present is a small stretch at the driveway exit. The cop agreed with my hypothesis that he was using gas instead of brake as he exited. He stayed and watched several cars exit after my car was towed and no one else had a problem stopping. The old man got his feet confused. He couldn't even walk on his own when he had to leave his car because "his feet were too stiff".

As for my rental car, I guess I will have to call a state authority. My insurance has definitively told me that it is not covered by him. And told me that even if I wanted to go after him in small claims that he would not be liable for it.

Good lord, you don't even know if there's any sort of permanent physical damage or not (which there probably isn't) and you're ready to call an ambulance chaser. Simple fact is you have VERY light injuries that will go away in a week or two. To say that you are suffering is alot of absolute bullcrap.

Thanks doctor, I'm glad you know how long my pain will last. :roll: Why did I even go to the hospital, I should have just listened to you and sat at home. :thumbsdown:

 

[MmmSkyscraper]

You should sue for brain damage too, how is it possible to spell red wrong? Maybe you can spend the winnings on a dictionary for those tricky words...

 

[Stark]

Originally posted by: jumpr

Originally posted by: Stark
if any of you remember the old guy in Santa Monica who killed a bunch of people for doing exactly what this old guy did, you might be a little less eager to jump to his defense.

THIS GUY DIDN'T KILL ANYONE. I'm not sure why you're comparing Lucky's fender bender with the mowing down of dozens of shoppers in an outdoor market. This is an old guy who's made a mistake.

he hit the gas instead of the brake and blames ice. next time, it could be a little kid crossing the intersection who gets hit.

this sounds like "old driver" syndrome pure and simple. The Seinfeld joke "at what age do you just stop looking behind you when you back out of the driveway" is funny because it's true.

 

[Lucky]

Originally posted by: rh71
wow how does someone go 20-25 mph out of a lot like that ? I see ice at the point of exit from the lot... did he just slide or did he just do an elderly-drivers thing to you ?

he had his foot on the gas from the time he left the car wash until he hit my car. never tried to slow down. You can only turn left or right from his point of exit, there is not where to go straight ahead.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Stark
driving is just as much a privledge for an 85 year old guy as it is for a 16 year old kid. if you can't do it well, you have no right to be on the road. If he's claiming that ice caused the wreck, it sounds like he's either in denial or suffering dementia. If he was my all-time favorite grandpa, I'd say the exact same thing.

Heh. Like you would know anything about driving on ice living in LA. Judging from the pics, it's extremely obvious that the ice caused the accident.

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Bottom line: you need a lawyer. You're going to get shot down quickly if you try to do this yourself.

You don't have any idea what you're talking about. Fools that use lawyers (for real injuies) end up with 33-40% less than they could have had by dealing straight away with the defendants insurance company. Lawyers like this are blood suckers who fill out a simple from and get thousands of dollars from thier victims. Victimized twice you are.

:thumbsup:

 

[Maximus96]

saw your thread in scionlife. feel sorry for you. old people shouldn't drive.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

you want pain and suffering right well, jus get your ass over to any third world coutry and you see what real pain and suffering is, your in 10 star luxury compared to what people in places like iraq, africa and vietnam have to live with.

the fact that you wernt seriously injured and dont live under a dictator or comunist reign should be compensation enough ...