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8-Year-Old Migrant Child From Guatemala Dies in U.S. Custody

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Jaskalas said:
So you blame the hospitals?

Or, maybe you already recognize that the previous conditions and health status of these kids doomed them to a certain death no matter what happened to them next? And that responsibility lies with those who acted negligently in establishing those conditions in the first place. Not those who had "responsibility" at time of death.
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Nice straw man.
 
Viper1j said:
Ever consider the possibility that it's deliberate? That Kirstjen Nielsen ordered a few kids be put to death as part of her "deterrence" thing?

A 46 year old woman with no kids or husband is bound to have a few hidden demons..
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I sincerely doubt this is the case. Most likely these deaths are the result of incompetence, overzealousness, and underfunding leading to overcrowding and inhumane conditions in the detention centers.
 
Vic said:
I sincerely doubt this is the case. Most likely these deaths are the result of incompetence, overzealousness, and underfunding leading to overcrowding and inhumane conditions in the detention centers.
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You can doubt all you want, but you can't deny the possibility. Especially considering the nature of the people that we're dealing with.
 
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UglyCasanova said:
Any nurse will tell you that’s not the case. A child can be brought o a hospital with a condition they contracted prior to coming to the hospital. The child is now in the care of the medical staff but they die so it's assumed the fault of the nurse/doc? They were responsible for the child’s welfare at the time they died but the cause of death was something contracted before entering the hospital.
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If a kid comes into hospital, is not diagnosed with anything, then dies of dehydration 8 hours later under my care I would expect to be fired, struck off as a nurse and criminal charges filed unless I have some really good reasons why that's not my fault.
 
UglyCasanova said:
Any nurse will tell you that’s not the case. A child can be brought o a hospital with a condition they contracted prior to coming to the hospital. The child is now in the care of the medical staff but they die so it's assumed the fault of the nurse/doc? They were responsible for the child’s welfare at the time they died but the cause of death was something contracted before entering the hospital.
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We went over this with the last death. Custody has legal implications.
 
UglyCasanova said:
No I don’t think they take it lightly. But they still make that decision to put their kids in dangerous situations and they deserve the blame. We owe these people nothing but are providing beds and food and healthcare (even if one views it as inadequate). I’m not sure what the answer is but I do believe the fault and blame lies on the parents for knowingly putting their kids is such situations.
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One could argue that taking your kids away from a town where drug gangs (created by US policy in central America) are indiscriminately abducting/murdering people is a prudent course of action.

For some reason these "horrible parents" assume their children will be safer in BP custody than they would be relying on the whims of vicious murderers.
 
Everyone has some blame, but parents coming to this country with kids weighed alot of different scenarios, considerations, and outcomes in determining their course of action.

The most influential of those considerations has to be that the US remains a better place, than where they left.

Are we still that country? Do we still want to be the best place in the world to live? because if we do, then we have to do something for these people that are fleeing horrible conditions in their home countries.

We can't just shrug our shoulders and blame others.. For a country as rich and as powerful as the US, we are responsible for so many things and that includes making the world a better place for others


OTHERS.

edit: If you feel that is not a responsibility of ours as US citizens then take a look in the mirror and ask yourself what do you believe in?
 
dank69 said:
They do it as a publicity stunt, obviously.
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Did a child really die or was he a paid crisis actor? This is all some liberal scam to make the Border Patrol look bad. George Soros is behind it as part of his anti-freedom agenda to make everywhere brown.
 
UglyCasanova said:
How in the world was that a straw man??
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Because the hospital staff weren't the adults responsible for the children's welfare. ICE had custody and was responsible. A medical worker providing emergency care is never responsible unless there is proven malpractice.
You know this. Jackalas knows this. IJTSSG the HDS/ODS sufferer know this. Everyone knows this. Your little act of lying and then playing stupid doesn't fool anyone.
 
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UglyCasanova said:
No I don’t think they take it lightly. But they still make that decision to put their kids in dangerous situations and they deserve the blame. We owe these people nothing but are providing beds and food and healthcare (even if one views it as inadequate). I’m not sure what the answer is but I do believe the fault and blame lies on the parents for knowingly putting their kids is such situations.
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And there we have it.

And no one is surprised you'd spew such vile, immoral idiocy.
 
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UglyCasanova said:
No I don’t think they take it lightly. But they still make that decision to put their kids in dangerous situations and they deserve the blame. We owe these people nothing but are providing beds and food and healthcare (even if one views it as inadequate). I’m not sure what the answer is but I do believe the fault and blame lies on the parents for knowingly putting their kids is such situations.
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Fucking pathetic.
 
Vic said:
Because the hospital staff weren't the adults responsible for the children's welfare. ICE had custody and was responsible. A medical worker providing emergency care is never responsible unless there is proven malpractice.
You know this. Jackalas knows this. IJTSSG the HDS/ODS sufferer know this. Everyone knows this. Your little act of lying and then playing stupid doesn't fool anyone.
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ICE took the child to the hospital when they thought he had a cold. Hospital staff took care of him and released him. He grew nauseated and vomited later so ICE took him back to the hospital. He was placed in the care of the hospital staff where he died. That’s all we know at this point. The adults responsible for the kids welfare as you put it were ICE initially but the hospital staff during the child’s two stays at the hospital. They won’t be held responsible for his death unless there was malpractice but they were certainly under the hospitals care at the time. They were in the custody of ICE but the welfare of the child was temporarily transferred to the hospital staff who were better able to care for them. i can’t see where either party did anything wrong in this situation.
 
UglyCasanova said:
No I don’t think they take it lightly. But they still make that decision to put their kids in dangerous situations and they deserve the blame. We owe these people nothing but are providing beds and food and healthcare (even if one views it as inadequate). I’m not sure what the answer is but I do believe the fault and blame lies on the parents for knowingly putting their kids is such situations.
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You do know the Trump administration is intentionally under-staffing legal ports of entry to deliberately make it more dangerous in order to discourage migrants from using a LEGAL means of claiming asylum.
 
Some blame the Border Patrol
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because the children died after encountering Border Patrol officials. This is like blaming the fire department for fires, because whenever a house burns down, firemen are there.
Even more off-base is the implication that troubles at immigration facilities are unique to the Trump era.
In May 2018, the American Civil Liberties Union reported from a review of 30,000 pages of documents they obtained that tens of thousands of unaccompanied minors who crossed into the U.S. from Mexico were repeatedly beaten, sexually abused, and deprived of food and medical care by Border Patrol agents between the years of 2009 to 2014 — that was during the Obama administration.
The U.S. government deserves criticism whenever it mistreats anyone in its custody. But the rage against Trump is currently untethered to the facts.
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...-administration-for-border-deaths-is-off-base
 
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