I'll reply to the rest of your post but are you comparing the Mac mini to this system?
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/ol...t&id=pcmprd78200050004
I really hope not.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/ol...t&id=pcmprd78200050004
I really hope not.
WelshBloke
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Might have been. I looked over it real quick.
In any case, from an average user's standpoint... what the matter with that system?
"OH NOES IT'S COMPAQ!"
"OH NOES IT'S FROM BEST BUY"
"NOOOOES! IT'S NOT BLEACH WHITE WITH AN APPLE ON IT"
Why not? Are you concerned about the size? The color? It's not as if you unplug everything and move your computer around to match the style of your room (or at least I hope you don't). My computer has been in exactly the same spot for the past 8 years. The reason it's out in the open has nothing to do with its size and everything to do with the number of cables sticking out of it. Even if I had something the size of a Mac Mini, it would be in the same spot as my current computer, with just as many crossed wires, looking just as ugly.
If he was comparing the size, I'd be more than happy to price a system similar to a mac pro for him and show the price difference.
A mac mini? Really the only place to get them (as well as most macs) is directly from Apple, the Apple store, or an authorized reseller. I would definitely recommend one if you're looking for a first time mac to get familiar with. Just don't plan on using them for a RAID setup or something because they certainly don't have the room for extra drives. They have a damn good resale value if you buy it and realize it's not for you, too.
Oh sorry I misread. I thought you said Mac Mini rather than Mac Pro. Laptops I just don't care about
Man, I keep wanting to get a Mac Mini, but I have my MacBook, which is like a Mini with a screen in terms of teh performance.
Minis are really for specialized needs. It wasn't a good attempt to appeal to PC enthusiast because they were too limited in ability and had no expandability. After Apple TV came out they lost even more relevance as many people I saw who bought them used them just for that.
Well, I think their creation was more of a way to get rid of the cheap/low-end mac pros for the crowd that didn't want an all-in-one iMac... kind of a "hey looks it's a shiny thing" sort of marketing ploy. Mac pros start at $2500 and there was no way they could take the price up that much without a different desktop solution. I spend a majority of my day on an iMac, but I'll be dammed if I'd open it up to upgrade anything but the RAM.
Mac Pro starts at $2200. Which is why it is the only one on the Apple Store page that doesn't say "Starts at $n" it reads "At $n". You can configure it with dual 2.0GHz chips for $299 less. Just pointing it out.
If Apple would only offer a non-Xeon non-FB memory version ... in other words a desktop using C2D chips and Santa Rosa or equivalent chipset. They could price it along the same lines as the iMac... just with a real video card at the top end price.
Say...
2.4 C2D 320hd 2g ram (4g max) 8600GT graphics = 1199
2.66 C2D 500hd 2g ram (4g max) 8600GT graphics = 1499
2.66 Quad 500hd 2g ram (4g max) 8800GTS (320) graphics 1799
I'd be there
Nothinman
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I am indeed. I don't remember the specifics since it was years ago but did I help a friend of mine replace a few files on his OS X box to change the UI theme and it worked fine.
Actually in that respect UAC and sudo are very similar, the difference being that by default Windows users are admins without any rights so when UAC pops up it just says "Allow this?" instead of "Give me your password to allow this". If you give them a regular user account the UAC prompts will then require the admin password.
Both of which are already proven impossible for most people.
It's a non-issue because very few viruses exist, not because OS X is magically more secure.
heymrdj
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I buy a computer rig cause it can multi task. At the end of the day, a console with 80$ games will only please me so long. A computer beats a console anyday of the year IMHO. I will gladly pay 3 grand right now on a kick ass computer that I'll pay on for 12 months before ever putting money toward a 300$ console that I'll pay off in 1.
As for Mac, used it for a year, the newest release. Didn't like it, too limited, bootcamp wasn't good enough for me to stick to it, hated the mouse thing, mine actually did lock up, and looks were too limited IMHO with not enough user mods available. All i can say is Windows Vista Ultimate FTW.
As for Mac, used it for a year, the newest release. Didn't like it, too limited, bootcamp wasn't good enough for me to stick to it, hated the mouse thing, mine actually did lock up, and looks were too limited IMHO with not enough user mods available. All i can say is Windows Vista Ultimate FTW.
In what ways did you feel the Mac was too limited? How was BootCamp not good enough (did you keep updating the drivers?) I can dig the mouse thing, but did you ever plug in any other mouse, 99% of them work, sorry to hear that it locked up, but how often was it, and is it possible that it was caused by a 3rd party piece of software, not anything 'native', what do you mean by the looks were too limited?
heymrdj
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I prefer Windows Dreamscene to (i believe it's called) the Save Hollywood alternative that you can get for OSX. Naturally, gaming wasn't much of an option without running on the Bootcamp partition, which I wasn't a happy camper about because of all the wasted HD space. There were things I wanted to do with OSX, like photoshop, while wanting to do things in Windows, game, but I couldn't cause Bootcamp isn't a virtualizer (which I am leaps and bounds happier with), just a fancy bootloader. As for another mouse, I tried my little microsoft optical mouse USB and it froze up, which kinda teed me off cause I like cheap 10$ mice, I don't wanna spend 70$ on a Logitech Laser. The lockups weren't too frequent, and I believe it was related to heat more then anything, even though my two Vista rigs don't freeze up when they reach 60C. I was just mainly pointing out another ad campaign, that windows freezes and macs don't, is bull. My Windows Vista Ultimate in the last 2 months has only frozen once, and that was my own fault for using a damaged CD in the CD drive (I found that out when I tried it on 4 other computers with the same results), but that's no worse track record then with the mac. Yeah..that's about it I think.
Ok, so you were annoyed that you had to dual-boot to game, which you saw as a waste of space since you really only had Windows on there for gaming? If that is the case then, I don't know what to tell you... rebooting really shouldn't take that long, but I can get how it can be annoying. I find it incredibly strange that the mouse didn't work, simply because every mouse I have ever used (except the one with teh fried receiver) has worked flawlessly with OS X, including my cheap $20 microsoft mice.
Weird that you would experience heat related lock ups since the MBP that i am on right now is at 55C, and is running fine, and my MacBook has gotten as high as 70C (sitting on my mattress for a while, I had forgotten about it ::uh oh:.
But oh well, to each their own. Hey, at least you have actually a mac and then passed judgement. Too many people don't like them just because they think they are trendy, or because they are white, or because they once had this friend named Mac, and he was a real tool, used to steal their lunch money and everything.
Weird that you would experience heat related lock ups since the MBP that i am on right now is at 55C, and is running fine, and my MacBook has gotten as high as 70C (sitting on my mattress for a while, I had forgotten about it ::uh oh:
.But oh well, to each their own. Hey, at least you have actually a mac and then passed judgement. Too many people don't like them just because they think they are trendy, or because they are white, or because they once had this friend named Mac, and he was a real tool, used to steal their lunch money and everything.
heymrdj
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Well no, I also have the Studio MX sweet for Windows, Office 2003 Student (now Office 2007 Ultimate thanks to the educational discount with www.theultimatesteal.com), many many video encoders, ect already on here. Maby 1 hour a day is actually used to game.
Why not use both? :laugh:
Mac Zealots are just as annoying as Windows Zealots. They're nearly as annoying as Religious Zealots.
Mac Zealots are just as annoying as Windows Zealots. They're nearly as annoying as Religious Zealots.
I always think it is interesting that Apple users tout that their PCs can run Windows...
[*]This inidicates that Microsoft is good enough to produce an OS that will run at that hardware.
[*]The only reason you can't run OSX on an non-apple Intel PC is because Apple is restrictive and will not allow it... oh... and they don't have enough drivers in their OS for some hardware.
So touting that Apple computers can run Windows is just highlighting Apple's faults; at least to me.
[*]This inidicates that Microsoft is good enough to produce an OS that will run at that hardware.
[*]The only reason you can't run OSX on an non-apple Intel PC is because Apple is restrictive and will not allow it... oh... and they don't have enough drivers in their OS for some hardware.
So touting that Apple computers can run Windows is just highlighting Apple's faults; at least to me.
Nothinman
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All it really indicates is that Apple switched to commodity hardware a few years ago, it says nothing about MS or their software. If MS had continued the NT PPC port and made it work on older PPC Macs then that would say something about MS but that didn't happen.
So choosing commodity hardware is a fault now?
Nothinman:
The point is that on the commodity hadware - Windows runs. Sure Microsoft did nothing to make that happen, but neither did Apple. Windows supports far more drivers than Apple does with OSX.
Apple's faults are not with the hardware selection; they were actually late in making that transition. The fault was with their not being able to make OSX work with non-Apple intel products and being restrictive with the software by not allowing people to do it. I can understand not supporting other people's hardware, but not controlling the OS beyond what Microsoft does.
The point is that on the commodity hadware - Windows runs. Sure Microsoft did nothing to make that happen, but neither did Apple. Windows supports far more drivers than Apple does with OSX.
Apple's faults are not with the hardware selection; they were actually late in making that transition. The fault was with their not being able to make OSX work with non-Apple intel products and being restrictive with the software by not allowing people to do it. I can understand not supporting other people's hardware, but not controlling the OS beyond what Microsoft does.
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