8 core version of 8700k is coming this Fall!

[Rakanoth]

I could not be happier

Sorry AMD

So you just picked up that six-core Core i7 8086K? Well, Intel will release their 8-core mainstream part in the Fall, the processor will be based on Coffee Lake, meaning a new SKU with two more cores. The LGA 2066 platform will also get an update towards a 22-core processor.

The news reaches us through the otherwise well-informed PC Watch, The Coffee Lake Refresh with the 8-core part would be available in the market by September. The processor is released by Intel to close the gap towards the competitor's Ryzen refresh.

There is other news, the Basin Falls platform will also receive a refresh. Intel's LGA-2066 platform for Skylake-X and Xeon W would see another SKU with four more cores, moving from 18 cores towards processor with up to 22 cores. Cascade Lake would be been postponed towards 2019.

http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/intel_8_core_coffee_lake_to_be_released_in_this_fall.html

For the original source news in Japanese:
https://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/column/ubiq/1126720.html

 

[pcslookout]

Good but will it require new mobos ?

 

[Chicken76]

Good but will it require new mobos ?

Unknown for now, but this is Intel we're talking about here. What does your gut tell you?

 

[StinkyPinky]

"the processor is released by Intel to close the gap towards the competitor's Ryzen refresh."

I'd expect it to be faster than the 2700x. It will probably clock to 4.5 Ghz with slightly better ipc. Will AMD release some ultra binned 2800x Black Edition? Or maybe even a 12 core (unlikely)? Interesting times.

 

[CatMerc]

"the processor is released by Intel to close the gap towards the competitor's Ryzen refresh."

I'd expect it to be faster than the 2700x. It will probably clock to 4.5 Ghz with slightly better ipc. Will AMD release some ultra binned 2800x Black Edition? Or maybe even a 12 core (unlikely)? Interesting times.

It will clock higher or the same at turbo than 8700K. There's no reason to drop turbo clocks, more cores doesn't affect it.

Base clocks is another story.

 

[LightningZ71]

Using their existing silicon, they can produce up to ten core processors on their LCC process. This is Skylake-X now. The 8700K is based on a die with six cores, so this part is based on something different, or it's an as yet unseen 8+ core version of that same die. I would have to guess that this product will be based on the LCC Skylake-X die with two cores disabled.

 

[IEC]

I could not be happier

Sorry AMD

http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/intel_8_core_coffee_lake_to_be_released_in_this_fall.html

For the original source news in Japanese:
https://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/column/ubiq/1126720.html

【表2】IntelのCPUのコードネーム(Whiskey Lake-U以降は筆者予想)

If you look at Table 2, it appears to say "Whiskey Lake-U Ikō wa hissha yosō".

In other words, it is what the author anticipates Intel will release, not what is confirmed.

Doesn't change the fact that 8-core Coffee Lake is the obvious move and one that we're all expecting (and looking forward to), but this isn't official confirmation.

 

[epsilon84]

"the processor is released by Intel to close the gap towards the competitor's Ryzen refresh."

I'd expect it to be faster than the 2700x. It will probably clock to 4.5 Ghz with slightly better ipc. Will AMD release some ultra binned 2800x Black Edition? Or maybe even a 12 core (unlikely)? Interesting times.

I'm assuming you mean 4.5GHz at stock speeds? Because I would be very disappointed if these chips don't hit at least 5.0GHz OC like current 8700Ks. Yes I'm aware that it's +25% cores which means 25% more heat, but it's nothing an AIO or even high end HSF couldn't handle. My 8700K does 5.0GHz with a $25 Hyper 212 HSF, fwiw.

I would expect AMD to release a higher clocked 2800X as a response, like you I doubt a 2700X would be able to adequately compete with a higher clocked CFL chip with superior IPC/lower latency.

 

[moinmoin]

Using their existing silicon, they can produce up to ten core processors on their LCC process. This is Skylake-X now. The 8700K is based on a die with six cores, so this part is based on something different, or it's an as yet unseen 8+ core version of that same die. I would have to guess that this product will be based on the LCC Skylake-X die with two cores disabled.

That'd be a step back as Skylake-X is 14nm+ while Coffee Lake is 14nm++.

Edit: Regarding what difference that'd make, as per Intel:

 

[fleshconsumed]

Meh, for me at least the ship has sailed. Intel took too long to come out with 8 cores while milking its customers for the past 5-10 years. I like AMDs forward/backward chipset compatibility. Unofficial ECC support also a plus. They have soldered heatspreader and run cooler than Intel. And they're much cheaper than Intel too. So long as AMD performance remains within spitting distance of Intel, which it is right now, I'm sticking with AMD. Intel would have to pull another C2D/C2Q architecture leap for me to even consider switching back to them.

 

[CatMerc]

Skylake-X and Skylake are different in the cache structure. Plus they have way too much I/O on die to waste on mainstream. It makes more sense for Intel to create a new die.

Remember, Intel ships such extreme volumes that it's usually worth it to make a new die for different market segments.

 

[Elfear]

"the processor is released by Intel to close the gap towards the competitor's Ryzen refresh."

I'd expect it to be faster than the 2700x. It will probably clock to 4.5 Ghz with slightly better ipc. Will AMD release some ultra binned 2800x Black Edition? Or maybe even a 12 core (unlikely)? Interesting times.

I think the quote was speaking more to the core count rather than the IPC or overall performance.

 

[LTC8K6]

We already have an 8 core Skylake-X chip. 7820X at 140W TDP.

I believe it's actually slower in gaming than the 8700K chip.

I doubt the new 8 core chip is Skylake-X based.

 

[Zucker2k]

I'm assuming you mean 4.5GHz at stock speeds? Because I would be very disappointed if these chips don't hit at least 5.0GHz OC like current 8700Ks. Yes I'm aware that it's +25% cores which means 25% more heat, but it's nothing an AIO or even high end HSF couldn't handle. My 8700K does 5.0GHz with a $25 Hyper 212 HSF, fwiw.

I would expect AMD to release a higher clocked 2800X as a response, like you I doubt a 2700X would be able to adequately compete with a higher clocked CFL chip with superior IPC/lower latency.

AMD's hit a hard clock wall for a while now. What silicon is this going to be on? They're stuck for now, unless they go the moar cores route, but they'll have to lower base clocks and up nudge power up.

 

[Zucker2k]

Skylake-X and Skylake are different in the cache structure. Plus they have way too much I/O on die to waste on mainstream. It makes more sense for Intel to create a new die.

Remember, Intel ships such extreme volumes that it's usually worth it to make a new die for different market segments.

This. I think Intel will stick to the ringbus on client-side, barring some new development on the mesh-design in upcoming arch(s).

 

[Indus]

I could not be happier

Sorry AMD

Is it SCEPTRE and MELTDOWN proof or that's the next gen?

 

[formulav8]

Is it SCEPTRE and MELTDOWN proof or that's the next gen?

I believe Cascade Lake is the earliest to have fixes...

 

[LightningZ71]

I guess that it's entirely possible that they could go with something similar to the Broadwell-E or Haswell-E arrangement and extend the existing Coffee Lake 6 core die out to 8 or even 10 cores for a Coffee Lake-E variant. Obviously cache placement is different between the die generations, but, it looks like a rather plug-and-play sort of design, assuming that the lengthening of the ring-bus doesn't cause significant issues. Being Intel, they'll probably do a 10 core design with the ability to disable cores for an 8 core product, but will have the 10 core product available for competitive reasons.

I can see them easily out-performing the 2700X with both parts, but, given the existing prices on the 2700x and the 8700K, they will be hard pressed to be price competitive without cannibalizing margins. This will give them a marked performance lead in that space for maybe 6 months or so until the 3x00 generation ryzen parts are released. I expect those parts to address a good chunk of the frequency gap, introduce a 12 core mainstream part, and improved power usage numbers. Oddly enough, I wonder what AMD's model number stack will look like? With 2X6 core CCXs, that's possible core counts of 12, 10, 8, 6, and 4. With 3X4 core CCXs, that's 12, 9, 6, and potentially 3 cores.

 

[PeterScott]

Using their existing silicon, they can produce up to ten core processors on their LCC process. This is Skylake-X now. The 8700K is based on a die with six cores, so this part is based on something different, or it's an as yet unseen 8+ core version of that same die. I would have to guess that this product will be based on the LCC Skylake-X die with two cores disabled.

This won't be Skylake-X based. They could have had that a long time ago.

This will be adding two more cores to the ring-bus 8700K.

 

[samboy]

Meh, for me at least the ship has sailed. Intel took too long to come out with 8 cores while milking its customers for the past 5-10 years.

Agreed - if they had released the 8 core instead of the 6 core last year I would have upgraded. 12 months later doesn't work for me since I really want to see what the next generation AMD processor delivers in 2019.

A problem with any upgrade at the moment (from a 4790k + 32GB RAM) is that I need to pretty much purchase every component and RAM is quite expensive at the moment (the 32GB RAM cost $200 years ago)......... I need to choose carefully on what to get and patient to see what happens (and give memory prices a chance to drop!).

 

[VirtualLarry]

This will be adding two more cores to the ring-bus 8700K.

Or, maybe, the actual die ALREADY HAS 8 cores.... *cue conspiracy theory music*.

(Intel just didn't enable the last two cores, because up until now, they didn't have to.)

Edit: Someone should de-lid both the 6-core and 8-core, and compare the dies.

 

[Campy]

Or, maybe, the actual die ALREADY HAS 8 cores.... *cue conspiracy theory music*.

(Intel just didn't enable the last two cores, because up until now, they didn't have to.)

Edit: Someone should de-lid both the 6-core and 8-core, and compare the dies.

https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/intel/core_i7/i7-8700k#Die

 

[epsilon84]

AMD's hit a hard clock wall for a while now. What silicon is this going to be on? They're stuck for now, unless they go the moar cores route, but they'll have to lower base clocks and up nudge power up.

Assuming cherry picked binning, a 4.2GHz all core turbo 2800X? Would have to be the top 10% silicon most likely because that's where most retail 2700/2700Xs top out, but you need chips that can hold 4.2GHz with lower voltages which will be difficult.

Even then I would still expect a '9700K' to score comfortably higher in most benchmarks due to higher IPC, it doesn't take a genius to work that out, just compare a 8700K to a 2600X, for example.

Without its core advantage AMD will struggle in a clock for clock shootout with Intel - at least until the next gen 7nm chips are out.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Or, maybe, the actual die ALREADY HAS 8 cores.... *cue conspiracy theory music*.

(Intel just didn't enable the last two cores, because up until now, they didn't have to.)

Edit: Someone should de-lid both the 6-core and 8-core, and compare the dies.

Die shots debunk your hypothesis. This comes straight from Intel's website.

https://newsroom.intel.com/news-releases/intel-unveils-8th-gen-intel-core-processor-family-desktop/

There would be no reason for Intel to "hold back" an 8 core SKU -- they could be selling it at a higher price than they're selling the 8700K now and they'd be raking in the money.

 

[ehume]

"the processor is released by Intel to close the gap towards the competitor's Ryzen refresh."

I'd expect it to be faster than the 2700x. It will probably clock to 4.5 Ghz with slightly better ipc. Will AMD release some ultra binned 2800x Black Edition? Or maybe even a 12 core (unlikely)? Interesting times.

What if the Sceptre/Meltdown fix means a gimped performance?

BTW -- an i7 8700k has iGPU; A Skylake LCC would not. Count me in the new die camp.