7970 GHz edition incoming!

[Tempered81]

no, not really.

SLI scales much better


http://tpucdn.com/reviews/ASUS/HD_7970_CrossFire/images/perfrel_2560.gif

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTX_680_SLI/images/perfrel_2560.gif

That's on 680 with day 1 drivers. So how about them apples??

Thanks for the links:

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

As someone in the Team Red camp, this is ehhhh...

Ok, so an OCed 7970 takes back the crown (whatever clocks it takes), but given a stock 7970 already uses more power, I wouldn't want a power hog in my system. Oddly enough I upgrade SO LITTLE that I've jumped from an original Radeon to a GF7800 to a Radeon 4850. This is over the span of 10 years. LOL. Ok let's not count my 5xxx and 6xxx series which are just bitcoin mining.

 

[railven]

Thanks for the links:

Throw Hawx 2 and Farcry 2 up there, I'm sure it has 200% scaling there

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

Needs to be at least 1100 mhz to be worth the trouble... And like others said, some sort of price reduction to go along with it

 

[Grooveriding]

Not sure what you thought you were showing there ? 680 actually seems to scale better in SLI @ 1600P though, which is great for me personally. There still is driver work that needs to be done though.

http://nl.hardware.info/reviews/264...0-quad-sli-review-english-version-sli-scaling 62% scaling averaged out. At times 3 way sli is benching lower than 2 way, same goes for 4 way.


http://www.sweclockers.com/recension/15196-geforce-gtx-680-kepler-samt-sli/21#pagehead

Faster than a 7970, 2 are slower than 2 7970s though. Poor scaling.


The guru3d sli review today showed most of the issues. Looking through the benches it actually also shows that scaling is better off @ 1600P, but is not as good at lower resolutions for some reason.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-680-sli-review/12

Look at Metro, the 680 is faster than a 580 but 2 680s perform the same as 2 580s

You see the same playing out through most of the other games.

Anyways my point was not to get your hackles up and talking about apples, but that AMD tends to fail on marketing or finding their advantages to push. These are the kinds of things nvidia always hones in on and makes you aware of.

Just saying hey we're going to release a higher core 7970 is not the greatest, but saying we're releasing a faster than 680 stock 7970 for the same or less money and look we have some advantages would be a whole lot better. That sort of stuff tends to matter to the people who are actually forking out the $1000 a pair of these cards cost.

 

[blackened23]

no, not really.

SLI scales much better


http://tpucdn.com/reviews/ASUS/HD_7970_CrossFire/images/perfrel_2560.gif

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTX_680_SLI/images/perfrel_2560.gif

That's on 680 with day 1 drivers. So how about them apples??

So how about them apples? How old are you dude? First the trailer trash comment from the other thread and now this? Sheesh Anyway, i'm testing both and in crysis 1/2 it most certainly does not scale as well as 7970 crossfire in quite a few games. It is day 1 drivers though, i'm going to give it more time.

 

[blastingcap]

Needs to be at least 1100 mhz to be worth the trouble... And like others said, some sort of price reduction to go along with it

+1

The proper response is to DROP PRICES, AMD. Wtf! Even NV knows to do this, like with GTX 280/260 after the HD4870/4850 came out.

1GHz isn't enough. Even 1.1GHz. You'd need about 1.15-1.175GHz to legitimately claim to be on par, and even then, the 7970 would use more power, generate more heat, and probably generate more noise in the process using air cooling.

The proper response is to drop prices.

7970 - $450
7950 - $350
7870 - $250
7850 - $225

Do it!!!

 

[Stoneburner]

+1


The proper response is to drop prices.

7970 - $450
7950 - $350
7870 - $250
7850 - $225

Do it!!!

Seconded.

DO IT MITCH!

 

[Guovssohas]

Yeah, a GHZ version at what? 600+ dollars?? Doesn't sound like a good plan at all. Right now, prices must drop on the normal versions. The GHZ version should cost no more than 550 maximum imo.

 

[ArchAngel777]

1GHz isn't enough. Even 1.1GHz. You'd need about 1.15-1.175GHz to legitimately claim to be on par, and even then, the 7970 would use more power, generate more heat, and probably generate more noise in the process using air cooling.

The bold is just wrong. 1.1Ghz would make AMD the faster card overall, no doubt in 80% of the applications. 1.175 would make it superior in about 90% of the applications.

 

[blastingcap]

The bold is just wrong. 1.1Ghz would make AMD the faster card overall, no doubt in 80% of the applications. 1.175 would make it superior in about 90% of the applications.

Ok it depends on applications, but I was going off what I saw from some sites' benchmarks.

Whatever the real number is, 1.1 or 1.15 or somewhere in-between, it is clearly more than 1 GHz.

The real solution is to drop prices. Do it!!!

 

[Lepton87]

Ok it depends on applications, but I was going off what I saw from some sites' benchmarks.

Whatever the real number is, 1.1 or 1.15 or somewhere in-between, it is clearly more than 1 GHz.

The real solution is to drop prices. Do it!!!

It actually depends on the resolution, at 1080p you are probably right but at 2560 MSAA4x 1GHz would be enough to ever so slightly outperform GTX680. It's almost a wash right now at 2560 with msaa.

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/...force-gtx-680/12/#abschnitt_leistung_mit_aaaf

 

[SHAQ]

Are they giving it a BIOS update and calling it the 7980? I love innovation. The engineering department should be the star of the company not marketing. If they had made it 1 Ghz+ at release maybe Nvidia would have been forced to release the GK100.

 

[Lepton87]

by the way I don't like how most sites claim that gtx680 is the new king of the heel in single gpu cards without even comparing it against MSI 7970lighting. I think that card is actually faster.

 

[tviceman]

All this means is that AMD is going to start clocking hd7970's at 1ghz, and will phase out 925mhz. They won't bin two different hd7970's that only have a 75mhz operating frequency difference. So, essentially, AMD is going to release a 5% faster hd7970 that will consume a little more power, produce a little more heat, be a little bit louder, and still just a tiny bit slower than the gtx680.

And the price is still $550 as of right now. Go AMD.

 

[exar333]

Yawn

 

[thilanliyan]

I'm thinking they'd need more than a 75Mhz clock to beat a 680. Maybe up to 1100-1150MHz would do the trick. I'm sure a mature process can yield those results without increasing power consumption too much, but they do have to reduce prices as well.

 

[cmdrdredd]

by the way I don't like how most sites claim that gtx680 is the new king of the heel in single gpu cards without even comparing it against MSI 7970lighting. I think that card is actually faster.

They never cherry pick a non-reference design and use that for the basis of the claim. They use reference designs at reference clocks. You don't think EVGA will have a Superclocked edition sometime? Or a WTF FTW LOL Edition with a waterblock?

 

[Lepton87]

They never cherry pick a non-reference design and use that for the basis of the claim. They use reference designs at reference clocks. You don't think EVGA will have a Superclocked edition sometime? Or a WTF FTW LOL Edition with a waterblock?

But if I can order a card that is actually faster out of the box, it is not the king of the hill. All they should have said is that it beats reference clocked 7970 rather than making statements that it is the fastest single gpu card money can buy which is obviously not true. They didn't even mentioned that dual gpu cards are still faster and that they are talking about single gpu cards. It would be even better if they stopped "crowning" cards.

 

[cmdrdredd]

But if I can order a card that is actually faster out of the box, it is not the king of the hill. All they should have said is that it beats reference clocked 7970 rather than making statements that it is the fastest single gpu card money can buy which is obviously not true. They didn't even mentioned that dual gpu cards are still faster and that they are talking about single gpu cards. It would be even better if they stopped "crowning" cards.

1) they said single GPU, you said as much in your previous post.

2) They don't include non-reference designs. The cards are designed and shipped with a specific clock speed. What happens to the cards once they get to EVGA, Gigabyte, MSI etc has nothing to do with claiming it as the fastest single GPU card whatsoever. It would be like cherry picking reviews that way.

 

[Lepton87]

1) they said single GPU, you said as much in your previous post.

2) They don't include non-reference designs. The cards are designed and shipped with a specific clock speed. What happens to the cards once they get to EVGA, Gigabyte, MSI etc has nothing to do with claiming it as the fastest single GPU card whatsoever. It would be like cherry picking reviews that way.

But in the meantime, in the here and now, this is by far the easiest recommendation we’ve been able to make for an NVIDIA flagship video card. NVIDIA’s drive for efficiency has paid off handsomely, and as a result they have once again captured the performance crown.

Can you point me where they excluded dual-gpu cards from that "crown"? They(nv) have had the fastest card on the market since they released GTX590. I automatically assumed that he's talking about single-gpu but he didn't actually say that.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Can you point me where they excluded dual-gpu cards from that "crown"?

It's implied that everyone knows what they're referring to. The GTX580 got beat by the 7970, then the GTX680 beats the 7970. Simple.

 

[XxxAminxxX]

Seconded.

DO IT MITCH!

Too much time on LG.net?

 

[Lepton87]

It's implied that everyone knows what they're referring to. The GTX580 got beat by the 7970, then the GTX680 beats the 7970. Simple.

Technically it beats 7970 but 3% lead at 2560 makes it a purely academic "king" that could easily loose its "crown" with newer drivers. Of course it might be the other way around and GTX680 can widen its diminutive lead. That's exactly what I meant, it's not said explicitly only implied.

Remember gtx590 vs 6990. Actually with launch drivers it wasn't faster than 6990 but it is now although its lead over 6990 is as small as gtx680 over 7970. Clearly both cards were meant to be ever so slightly faster then the competition just to claim they have the best cards.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Technically it beats 7970 but 3% lead at 2560 makes it a purely academic "king" that could easily loose its "crown" with newer drivers. Of course it might be the other way around and GTX680 can widen its diminutive lead. That's exactly what I meant, it's not said explicitly only implied.

Faster is faster, grasping at straws doesn't change that. Plus, I'm much more confident in Nvidia getting more speed out of it than I am of AMD getting the 7970 to beat it out.