7900 GTX to run at 650 MHz with only 24 pipes?

[darXoul]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
Six months ago FEAR was the poster child of poor coding by the ATi faithful- now it is the harbinger of all games to come.

I didn't label it a poorly coded game then, nor am I trying to make it look like a harbinger of all upcoming games now. It's just a good game which I want to play in high settings, just like everything else, that's all. However, I do think it might be a rough indication that future games loaded with shaders can bring the GeForce cards to their knees.

Shader heavy or not, I just can't wait for Oblivion benchmarks, and for the game itself.

B&W2 and SC:CT are also extremely shader heavy games. Now it may well end up being that FEAR is a better indicator then the others- but try to keep in mind that it was a great example of poor coding according to the same posters touting its prophetic abilities now.

What can I say... hypocrites.

 

[Munky]

As far as I remember, FEAR always ran better on Ati card than their comparable Nv cards. The x1800xt beat the gtx512 in FEAR with AA enabled, and even a x850xt pe runs it faster than a 7800gt. The ironic part is that FEAR is a TWIMTBP game, so go figure...

 

[BenSkywalker]

As far as I remember, FEAR always ran better on Ati card than their comparable Nv cards.

The ATi faithful were quite upset actually.

The ironic part is that FEAR is a TWIMTBP game, so go figure...

And B&W2 is in ATi's camp

However, I do think it might be a rough indication that future games loaded with shaders can bring the GeForce cards to their knees.

B&W2 is bringing the XTX to its knees now and it is as shader heavy as FEAR. It is supposed to be a bug that will be fixed, and I assume it will, but I won't take a singular example without something else to back it up.

Shader heavy or not, I just can't wait for Oblivion benchmarks, and for the game itself.

Amen brotha

 

[Hacp]

Dailytech recently posted the 7900GT specs. 450 core 24 pipes. Looks like were getting something like a 450 core 32 pipe 7800GTX. Possibly more speed on the 7900GTX, since it has to make up for slower memory than the 512GTX.

550 Core 32 pipes 1600MHZ anyone??

 

[yacoub]

And yet regardless of the mild fanboy bickering about FEAR, the reality is FEAR is the most intensive/demanding game out for the PC right now as far as hardware is concerned and Black & White 2 is not an fps, not a popular game, and not very important in the grand scheme of things. Even Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory is much more important than B&W2.

When I see future GPU / system tests, I expect the list of FPS games tested to include:

FEAR
CoD2
Quake 4 (to be replaced by Quake Wars: Enemy Territory when available)

outgoing:
Battlefield 2 (to be phased out in the next six months)
Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory (to be phased out in the next six months and/or release of next Splinter Cell game)
HalfLife 2 w/ HDR (to be phased out in the next six months)

incoming:
Quake Wars: Enemy Territory (when available)
Unreal Tournament 2007 (when available)
Halo 2 (when available and IF it turns out to be popular)


And I hope it can go without saying that the reason FPS games are the primary choice of videocard performance benchmarking is because FPS games tend to have the highest hardware requirements while requiring the most speedy precision in difficult scenes that by nature necessitate high frames-per-second to be playable. Sure, Neverwinter Nights 2 and Supreme Commander are worth testing just like Black & White 2 is, but they are not what determines the true usefulness and performance of a videocard these days.

 

[apoppin]

BFG 7900 GTX 512 to launch on the 9th of March

Nvidia . . . promised the systems to its partners and some samples will be delivered as soon as next week.

We know that 7900 GTX 512 is set to have a MSRP of $599 we don?t know why Nvidia priced this product cheaper, it makes us happy for the consumers but it also makes us wonder about the performance. The last flagship card was MSRP at $649. 99 resulting with at least 699.99 retail price at most of the etailers.

The minimum suggested retail price for Nvidia's upcoming 7600 card is $249.99 and this card is supposed to take over from 6800GS and to continue the tradition. ATI will fight this one with its X1800GTO priced at the same price point.

There are no limitations on the number of orders that you will be able to place so this might mean that Nvidia got the yields right. The only question that we need to answer is, are the cards clocked to 650 MHz only and have 24 pipes?

 

[Ronin]

Repost, apoppin.

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
In 16 days, all will be known. This kind of exactly reminds me of the R520. Remember?
All those articles about what speed ATI was shooting for but could only reach a certain number. And that ATI themselves announced that their R520 will be "competitive" with the 7800GTX? De' Ja Vous.

Certainly, most launches seem to follow this pattern. When you have nothing to compete, exaggeration of the next coming is appropriate. Than as you get closer to launch it is time to lower expectations or people will be disapointed and angry that you did not reach expectations. Now hopefully for nvidia, people will be happy with a smaller beating of the x1900xtx and forget about any misses in features. Myself I would take a nice passive cooled, quiet card. :beer:

 

[DeathReborn]

Originally posted by: yacoub
And yet regardless of the mild fanboy bickering about FEAR, the reality is FEAR is the most intensive/demanding game out for the PC right now as far as hardware is concerned and Black & White 2 is not an fps, not a popular game, and not very important in the grand scheme of things. Even Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory is much more important than B&W2.

When I see future GPU / system tests, I expect the list of FPS games tested to include:

FEAR
CoD2
Quake 4 (to be replaced by Quake Wars: Enemy Territory when available)

outgoing:
Battlefield 2 (to be phased out in the next six months)
Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory (to be phased out in the next six months and/or release of next Splinter Cell game)
HalfLife 2 w/ HDR (to be phased out in the next six months)

incoming:
Quake Wars: Enemy Territory (when available)
Unreal Tournament 2007 (when available)
Halo 2 (when available and IF it turns out to be popular)


And I hope it can go without saying that the reason FPS games are the primary choice of videocard performance benchmarking is because FPS games tend to have the highest hardware requirements while requiring the most speedy precision in difficult scenes that by nature necessitate high frames-per-second to be playable. Sure, Neverwinter Nights 2 and Supreme Commander are worth testing just like Black & White 2 is, but they are not what determines the true usefulness and performance of a videocard these days.

Games like The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion should be abenched when available as not everyone will judge FPS performance for an RPG. I hate to say it but we really need a good MMORPG that stresses the GPU & a Flight Sim or two as benching nothing but FPS titles is a waste of ra review if you ask me.

People want playable framerates in EQ2 will all the eyecandy turned on, they also want B&W2 to perform well and just because it's not an FPS it shouldn't be discounted.

 

[RobertR1]

The 7900GTX will likely be a 24pipe card with high clock speeds. Not sure why no one cared to read the investor conf. call highlights. The key words that were thrown out consisted of "competitive pricing" and "win most benchmarks." A 24pipe 650mhz 7900GTX would fit those two statements perfectly.

 

[Rock Hydra]

Originally posted by: RichUK
LOL .. So much speculation. Why not just wait and see.

Agreed.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Looks like the 7600GT will be able to support 2560x1600 according to dailytech. 560mhz core and 1260~mhz on the memory (probably using 1.4ns GDDR3) but 128bit.

Link

NVIDIA's new 6600GT pin compatible component shows its face

Earlier today we reported about NVIDIA's new GeForce 7900GT -- the 90nm die shrink from GeForce 7800GT. As great as high end components are, the largest battles between ATI and NVIDIA will be fought on the mid-range. GeForce 6600GT, NVIDIA's best selling GPU of all time, is getting a little long in the tooth. NVIDIA deserves some well deserved credit for the foresight to keep GeForce 6600GT and 7600GT pin compatible.

Due to the maturity of GeForce 6600GT, many manufacturers have added several features to the PCBs. These features will also appear on GeForce 7600GT. Some manufacturers have told us that boards and final products have been ready to ship for several months but NVIDIA has held off on launch. No details were given as to why. Compared to the new GeForce 7900GT, the reference design for the GeForce 7600GT doesn't seem to support the same audio 4-pin leads.

Quick specifications for GeForce 7600GT from NVIDIA documents:

* PCIe native
* 560MHz core frequency
* 128-bit memory interface
* 20.2GB/sec. memory bandwidth
* 7B pixels/sec. fill rate
* 730M vertices/sec.
* 12 pixels per cycle
* Built in dual-link DVI support for 2560x1600 resolution

More to come.

 

[Steelski]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
Has anyone really thought this through? A 650MHZ 24pipe G71 would be ~20% faster then the 512MB 7800. Compare 7800GTX+20% and based on AT's review of the XTX(using the highest a to a setting tested for each game)-

BF2
XTX- 54.1
GTX- 55.3

B&W2-
XTX- 15.1
GTX- 26.4

DoD-
XTX- 54.8
GTX- 60.1

FarCry
XTX- 58.6
GTX- 56.0

FEAR
XTX- 36
GTX- 24

SC:CT
XTX- 39.9
GTX- 36.6

Q4
XTX- 47
GTX- 57.7

The parts would be neck and neck through most of the games with ATi taking one by a big margin and nV taking two(although one of them should be fixed via an ATi driver update). Overall nV wins more benches then it loses. If I had money invested in nVidia as an investor I would be quite upset if they brought out some 700MHZ 32pipe part- reduced yields and hence margins while a part with two less quads and a drop in clock would still be quite competitive.

There are a few things wrong here. firstly the difference is 18% not 20(i know its a little) and your not taking into account the memory being 120mhz slower and you are comparing the old unofficial catalyst drivers to what they perform like now! Even B&W2 had a patch to counter the bug in it that made it slow on all ATI cards. And also Mhz dont also translate into direct scaling performance. 20% can sometimes not yield anything at all.

 

[yacoub]

Originally posted by: DeathReborn
People want playable framerates in EQ2 will all the eyecandy turned on, they also want B&W2 to perform well and just because it's not an FPS it shouldn't be discounted.

Right, that's why I said, "Sure, Neverwinter Nights 2 and Supreme Commander are worth testing just like Black & White 2 is, but they are not what determines the true usefulness and performance of a videocard these days."

They shouldn't be discounted and those genres certainly should be represented in tests, but they are not the prmiary identifier of videocard performance and thus mentioning that the 7800GTX 512MB does better in B&W2 is nowhere near as important as FEAR. FEAR is an fps game and likely to see its engine used in upcoming titles as well and thus a drastic difference in performance there does matter more.

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Looks like the 7600GT will be able to support 2560x1600

Too little, too late I guess. ATI had Dual-link DVI in their X1600 which prolly made them win over Apple.

Good to see it implemented, none the less.

 

[Munky]

FPS games may be the most popular kind, and FEAR may be the most stressful game on the hardware to show what it can really do, but I still prefer benchmarks that use all types of games, including simulators and strategy games. It's like a car review - I may place a lot of importance on how fast the thing does 0-60 and the 1/4 mile, but if it hadles corners like a boat, or if the interior is junk, then it's something that a review should cover, and I would prefer a balanced and well-rounded review, as opposed to one that only focuses on evaluating the product in one area.

 

[Extelleron]

The 7900GT sounds like it could be a good option if we see pricing around $300-350. Right now ATi controls the high-end market in the $500+ price range and I cant see a 24pp 7900GTX clocked 650/1600 or so doing anything to stop that. Let's see what munkymark says:

F.E.A.R., 1280x960, 4x AA/8xAF, no SS

7900GTX 24pp 650/1600: 56 FPS
X1900XTX: 66 FPS

Obviously not a real performance comparison, but as I said I dont see this as much more than a SLIGHT improvement over 7800GTX 512 which gets destroyed by the X1900XTX. Anyways I think even IF nVidia wins in performance in alot of games, ATi's X1900XTX will remain the better choice for those seeking to keep their cards for a while. Shader-intense games that should have performance results similar to F.E.A.R. will be the thing of the future, and people with 7900's will be suffering late 2006/2007. And also the 7900 series STILL won't have HDR + AA which will, in the near future, become important as HDR becomes commonplace. And who wants to buy a $500-600 card, buy UT 2007 or another game that supports HDR, and then have to suffer with jaggies?

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
Has anyone really thought this through? A 650MHZ 24pipe G71 would be ~20% faster then the 512MB 7800. Compare 7800GTX+20% and based on AT's review of the XTX(using the highest a to a setting tested for each game)-

BF2
XTX- 54.1
GTX- 55.3

B&W2-
XTX- 15.1
GTX- 26.4

DoD-
XTX- 54.8
GTX- 60.1

FarCry
XTX- 58.6
GTX- 56.0

FEAR
XTX- 36
GTX- 24

SC:CT
XTX- 39.9
GTX- 36.6

Q4
XTX- 47
GTX- 57.7

The parts would be neck and neck through most of the games with ATi taking one by a big margin and nV taking two(although one of them should be fixed via an ATi driver update). Overall nV wins more benches then it loses. If I had money invested in nVidia as an investor I would be quite upset if they brought out some 700MHZ 32pipe part- reduced yields and hence margins while a part with two less quads and a drop in clock would still be quite competitive.

Where did you get your numbers from? Lately the only numbers nV fans seem to be using are techreport.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: munky
FPS games may be the most popular kind, and FEAR may be the most stressful game on the hardware to show what it can really do, but I still prefer benchmarks that use all types of games, including simulators and strategy games. It's like a car review - I may place a lot of importance on how fast the thing does 0-60 and the 1/4 mile, but if it hadles corners like a boat, or if the interior is junk, then it's something that a review should cover, and I would prefer a balanced and well-rounded review, as opposed to one that only focuses on evaluating the product in one area.

QFT

I'll never play anything but FPS games, and I even narrow that to the ones that don't involve pretending I'm in a war of some sort.

Many people do play other genres though so they have to be included.

 

[Hacp]

WRONG! 7900GTX confirmed by dialytech to be 655 mhz and 24 pipes! I love how the Inquirer is always wrong!

 

[5150Joker]

New report by DailyTech: http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=915 Seems a 24 pipe GTX at 655 mhz is imminent. What a disappointment, seems my XTX at stock clocks (650/775) will be neck-to-neck with this card. Oh well, guess I'll just continue to hold on to my XTX@750/850 for a little while longer.

 

[Extelleron]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
New report by DailyTech: http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=915 Seems a 24 pipe GTX at 655 mhz is imminent. What a disappointment, seems my XTX at stock clocks will be neck-to-neck with this card. Oh well, guess I'll just continue to hold on to my XTX@750/850 for a little while longer.

How the heck did you get a X1900XTX @ 750/1800?

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Extelleron

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
New report by DailyTech: http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=915 Seems a 24 pipe GTX at 655 mhz is imminent. What a disappointment, seems my XTX at stock clocks will be neck-to-neck with this card. Oh well, guess I'll just continue to hold on to my XTX@750/850 for a little while longer.

How the heck did you get a X1900XTX @ 750/1800?

750/1700 and I use water cooling. Lots of guys have actually gotten higher than that, some reaching 800/900+.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
New report by DailyTech: http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=915 Seems a 24 pipe GTX at 655 mhz is imminent. What a disappointment, seems my XTX at stock clocks (650/775) will be neck-to-neck with this card. Oh well, guess I'll just continue to hold on to my XTX@750/850 for a little while longer.

I think I'll wait for the benchmarks to call it a "disappointment", but I'm crazy like that!

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
New report by DailyTech: http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=915 Seems a 24 pipe GTX at 655 mhz is imminent. What a disappointment, seems my XTX at stock clocks (650/775) will be neck-to-neck with this card. Oh well, guess I'll just continue to hold on to my XTX@750/850 for a little while longer.

I think I'll wait for the benchmarks to call it a "disappointment", but I'm crazy like that!

New AEG directive: Quick do damage control, we had you hype up a 32 pipe card but now it's only 24 pipes with a slight increase in clocks vs the previous 512 GTX. Use diversion tactics, talk about teh dongles!!11

Benchmarks should reflect the numbers, it will keep up with and/or beat the XTX in most games by a few fps, win in OGL and that's about it. Basically an OC'd 512 GTX, nothing new here to see according to the info. we have. Too bad, I was hoping nVidia would come through with a 32 pipe card despite my doubts.