7900 GTX to run at 650 MHz with only 24 pipes?

[Ronin]

Wow...we all believe you now because you used caps.

 

[Steelski]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: MADMAX23

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: MADMAX23
Capt Caveman: Read the above answer to keysplayr2003

Please provide links to the forum threads. Looking at the forums, I found only these two threads and they're just references to vr-zone speculation articles.

http://www.mvktech.net/component/option...Itemid,34/func,view/id,31971/catid,10/
http://www.mvktech.net/component/option...Itemid,34/func,view/id,31870/catid,10/

The first link contains, as you have already read, only speculation. However, the second one, says; "We have seen"...etc, that proves they had it to preview it, they even tell us the Samsung ram chips' model: K4J55323QG-BC14. I do believe them.
Why would not you believe them since nVIDIA has already developed and produced every single 7900 GTX/GT card for their launch in March???

I recognise my fault, it was not mvktech.net's own info, it was from VR-ZONE posted by mvktech's administrator Mavke, sorry for that.

This is the vr-zone preview, word for word:
"We have seen the GeForce 7900 GT card already and we can say that the PCB layout is different from the current 7800GT card. The PWM area is slightly different too. The GeForce 7900 GT card comes with 256MB of K4J55323QG-BC14 GDDR3 memories from Samsung which has an effective data rate of 700MHz so a good guess will be 1.2GHz memory clock for the 7900 GT. We will eagerly wait for the launch in March during CeBIT."

Do you think they would have written more if they actually had previewed it themselves? The part number is just the part number for that particular memory. If you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you.

This basically says they have seen the memory. I can belive that. What is also important to know is that the chip (GPU) is unknown. they dont say anything about it in there. All rumours are speculation. but considering the March 9th release then i would almost always tend to belive the inquirer with things so close. thats what usually happens. they mess up the initial rumours and then get it right about 2-3 weeks from launch.

 

[ronnn]

Will be a great card and am looking forward to it. This seems to be normal that expectations are severely lowered a couple of weeks before launch. This way everyone will be happy when it is only 10 - 15% faster than the 7800gtx 512mb. Interesting times ahead. If this card has a nice cooling solution and uses less power than the x1900xtx - will be big winner.

 

[MADMAX23]

Originally posted by: Ronin
Wow...we all believe you now because you used caps.

Sorry for the caps, hehe, I have already finished preparing one of my clients accusation for tomorrow on court and I'm a bit tired....

Maybe the guys at VR-ZONE could only watch it for a time in private, I mean, they couldn't test it and couldn't even take photos of it, but I am 99,9% sure they had that 7900GT on their hands thanks to some nvidia guys.

Remember the rumours about the photos taken of an "early preview" the ATI X1900XTX by a webpage (can't remeber which one was)?? Most people thought they were photoshoped, they were liars and so on....well, they were not right, the webpage photo's were real and everybody had to shut up their mouths....

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: MADMAX23

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: MADMAX23

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: MADMAX23
Capt Caveman: Read the above answer to keysplayr2003

Please provide links to the forum threads. Looking at the forums, I found only these two threads and they're just references to vr-zone speculation articles.

http://www.mvktech.net/component/option...Itemid,34/func,view/id,31971/catid,10/
http://www.mvktech.net/component/option...Itemid,34/func,view/id,31870/catid,10/

The first link contains, as you have already read, only speculation. However, the second one, says; "We have seen"...etc, that proves they had it to preview it, they even tell us the Samsung ram chips' model: K4J55323QG-BC14. I do believe them.
Why would not you believe them since nVIDIA has already developed and produced every single 7900 GTX/GT card for their launch in March???

I recognise my fault, it was not mvktech.net's own info, it was from VR-ZONE posted by mvktech's administrator Mavke, sorry for that.

This is the vr-zone preview, word for word:
"We have seen the GeForce 7900 GT card already and we can say that the PCB layout is different from the current 7800GT card. The PWM area is slightly different too. The GeForce 7900 GT card comes with 256MB of K4J55323QG-BC14 GDDR3 memories from Samsung which has an effective data rate of 700MHz so a good guess will be 1.2GHz memory clock for the 7900 GT. We will eagerly wait for the launch in March during CeBIT."

Do you think they would have written more if they actually had previewed it themselves? The part number is just the part number for that particular memory. If you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you.

I BET YOU THEY WILL BE RIGHT!! WHAT DO U BET?

You said Mvktech was not a liar. But he got the information from vr-zone articles. Now, you're saying that vr-zone are not liars? Do you believe everything that you read?

Bet on what? That the 7900GTX will have 32 pipes or
"We have seen the GeForce 7900 GT card already and we can say that the PCB layout is different from the current 7800GT card. The PWM area is slightly different too. The GeForce 7900 GT card comes with 256MB of K4J55323QG-BC14 GDDR3 memories from Samsung which has an effective data rate of 700MHz so a good guess will be 1.2GHz memory clock for the 7900 GT"?

They may have seen a reference board but they never previewed a running 7900GT.

 

[RichUK]

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: RichUK
Also will the 7800GT drop in price that much?

Inq's other article is about the 7800 series getting discontinued.

I suppose it makes sense from a manufacturing point just to focus on one production tech (aka 90nm), I might be interested in a 7900 GT if the price is right.

Originally posted by: Ronin
That's been discussed several times, actually, Rich. The slated date (supposedly, mind you) is CeBit.

CeBit, that starts in March doesn't it? I hope Anand and crew get good coverage.


At the time I might just look for a cheap 7800GT (I get my new PCI-e board on the 6th of March )

 

[Ronin]

March 9th, iirc.

 

[Vesper8]

so.. according to rumors.. is it only the 256mb 7900GT that's getting released in early march? or will there also be a 7900GTX with 512mb ?

 

[MADMAX23]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: MADMAX23

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: MADMAX23

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: MADMAX23
Capt Caveman: Read the above answer to keysplayr2003

Please provide links to the forum threads. Looking at the forums, I found only these two threads and they're just references to vr-zone speculation articles.

http://www.mvktech.net/component/option...Itemid,34/func,view/id,31971/catid,10/
http://www.mvktech.net/component/option...Itemid,34/func,view/id,31870/catid,10/

The first link contains, as you have already read, only speculation. However, the second one, says; "We have seen"...etc, that proves they had it to preview it, they even tell us the Samsung ram chips' model: K4J55323QG-BC14. I do believe them.
Why would not you believe them since nVIDIA has already developed and produced every single 7900 GTX/GT card for their launch in March???

I recognise my fault, it was not mvktech.net's own info, it was from VR-ZONE posted by mvktech's administrator Mavke, sorry for that.

This is the vr-zone preview, word for word:
"We have seen the GeForce 7900 GT card already and we can say that the PCB layout is different from the current 7800GT card. The PWM area is slightly different too. The GeForce 7900 GT card comes with 256MB of K4J55323QG-BC14 GDDR3 memories from Samsung which has an effective data rate of 700MHz so a good guess will be 1.2GHz memory clock for the 7900 GT. We will eagerly wait for the launch in March during CeBIT."

Do you think they would have written more if they actually had previewed it themselves? The part number is just the part number for that particular memory. If you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you.

I BET YOU THEY WILL BE RIGHT!! WHAT DO U BET?

You said Mvktech was not a liar. But he got the information from vr-zone articles. Now, you're saying that vr-zone are not liars? Do you believe everything that you read?

Bet on what? That the 7900GTX will have 32 pipes or
"We have seen the GeForce 7900 GT card already and we can say that the PCB layout is different from the current 7800GT card. The PWM area is slightly different too. The GeForce 7900 GT card comes with 256MB of K4J55323QG-BC14 GDDR3 memories from Samsung which has an effective data rate of 700MHz so a good guess will be 1.2GHz memory clock for the 7900 GT"?

They may have seen a reference board but they never previewed a running 7900GT.

1) I tend to not trust everything I read, it's my job, I am a lawyer.
2) I bet they are telling the truth about the 7900GT they previewed on February 15, 2006 that's all.

 

[Steelski]

I was planning to go to Cebit this year, but i guess i wont afterall. (wife to be lives in Hannover). is anyone going? Ronin, you going?

 

[RichUK]

Originally posted by: Ronin
March 9th, iirc.

Ohh yeah i remember last year, didn't you go, im pretty sure you did?

If you go this year, PICS PICS PICS

 

[RobertR1]

If you look carefully at the Investors Conf call highlights you can see that the inquirer is probably close. Nvidia constantly claims "competitive prices" and "will beat the competition in most benchmarks."

Don't expect anything but a 24pipe 650mhz card. If you were to believe the specs about the 32pipe GTX and the much slower 24pipe GT, the difference is too big.

A 650mhz card will beat the x1900xtx in most current games since the 7800GTX 512 is already pretty close so it should be good competition.

 

[M0RPH]

However, according to our sources, the G71 will be nothing more than a 90 nanometre G70 die shrink. It won't have more than 24 pipelines but you never know what Nvidia has exactly up its sleeves.

Just like I've been saying all along

 

[Zebo]

1900 being faster in shader heavy games and the 7900 faster in OGL

I think I've heard that before.


all I see about 7900 is a 7800 part OC'ed and die shrunk if you look at 3marks scaleing so far.

 

[Metr0]

you shouldnt believe the inq, i've been told by ati them selfs that they called fuad just to fool him 50% of the time

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I'm still skeptical of a refresh adding eight more pipelines, but we'll see.

 

[gi0rgi0]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: darXoul
Yeah, I can't wait for March either. Speculations all over the place. I hope nVidia will be able to positively surprise us and release a real monster I doubt it though. Even at the upper end of the rumored specs, it probably won't be enough to beat ATi where it really matters, i.e. in shader-loaded games where cards struggle to deliver a playable frame rate in high settings. If the Inq article is correct, it's gonna be even worse for nVidia - it won't reccover much in games like F.E.A.R. and won't be able to beat the XTX by a lot in other games, even in Open GL.

Anyway, the MSRP (if it proves correct) is attractive - 500 bucks for the GTX compared to 650 for the XTX looks nice. SLI action anyone?

You can actually get a 1900xtx for $540 - http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant..._Code=190262&Category_Code=VC-HIS-PCIE

Got in on this last week :thumbsup:. Was delivered on Thurs. I just couldnt wait another few weeks to see what the g71 has to offer.
I had sold my 512gtx I had gotten through stepup. Made a nice $800 on ebay and then turned around and got the xtx . Awesome card btw

 

[Sable]

Originally posted by: Metr0
you shouldnt believe the inq, i've been told by ati them selfs that they called fuad just to fool him 50% of the time

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

 

[5150Joker]

I really doubt nVidia will be able to pull off a 32 pipeline part with mass availability. If they do have one, it will be a limited edition card like the 512 GTX was while the 24 pipe card is the mass availability one that's available for around $500.

 

[LittleNemoNES]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
I really doubt nVidia will be able to pull off a 32 pipeline part with mass availability. If they do have one, it will be a limited edition card like the 512 GTX was while the 24 pipe card is the mass availability one that's available for around $500.

I hope you're wrong cos I need to justify my upgrade path from 7800 GT SLI

My money's burning a hole in my pocket

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: jiffylube1024
If this rumour is true then it's basically a $499 7800GTX 512MB. Not that impressive nor worth waiting a bunch of time for... IMO X1900 is more impressive tech at the moment, until both companies release their next gens.

Again, that depends on how you look at it... If the MSRP is $499, than the street price will be closer to $400 fairly soon after launch... An $800ish SLI set that stomps a single $600ish X1900XTX doesn't look too bad from my perspective (since I already own an SLI mobo). It all depends on your perspective and what you currently own.

Expecting a $100 price drop so soon is wishful thinking IMO keeping in mind they are going to launch the 7900GT as well.

Besides if you heard Nvidia's recent conf. call, they will try to keep the same profit margins as with the 7800 series.

I didn't actually say a $100 prce drop, and I don't expect to see that. What I actually said was "closer to $400", and I don't think it's unreasonable to expect to see the cards available $50-60 under MSRP a month or two after launch. Either way, with the launch of the 7900GT (which looks like it will perform roughly like a 7800GTX), it looks like there might be some good opportunities for a high performance SLI rig at a decent price. It looks like with R580 and G71, both companies are focusing a bit more on "value".

 

[nRollo]

It's still my impression the 7900GTX will be 32 pipes, but time will tell soon enough.

In any case, I don't think a 24 pipe card running at 650MHz with 1600MHz RAM is necessarily a BAD thing either- I'd think it would be pretty competitive with an XTX. If the rumors of lower priced are true, a little less performance in some games, a little more in others, and better multi possibilities for less money wouldn't be a bad thing.

BTW- I know I said I would not post here, but several members have asked that I do. (which surprised me pretty much)

So I'm going to try it out.

 

[fliguy84]

Originally posted by: Rollo
BTW- I know I said I would not post here, but several members have asked that I do. (which surprised me pretty much)

So I'm going to try it out.

:thumbsup:

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: Rollo
It's still my impression the 7900GTX will be 32 pipes, but time will tell soon enough.

In any case, I don't think a 24 pipe card running at 650MHz with 1600MHz RAM is necessarily a BAD thing either- I'd think it would be pretty competitive with an XTX. If the rumors of lower priced are true, a little less performance in some games, a little more in others, and better multi possibilities for less money wouldn't be a bad thing.

BTW- I know I said I would not post here, but several members have asked that I do. (which surprised me pretty much)

So I'm going to try it out.

As I've said, I don't think that a 650 MHZ 24 pipe G71 part will lose to ATI in more than 1 or 2 benchmarks. The 7800GTX 512 was very competative with the X1900XTX card. Add 100 MHZ, and we will see the G71 beat the XTX convincingly in open GL and win some of the heavy shader games with its pure speed.

 

[RobertR1]

Originally posted by: Rollo

BTW- I know I said I would not post here, but several members have asked that I do. (which surprised me pretty much)

So I'm going to try it out.

Shocker......