7800GTX 512 in SLI > XBox 360?

[cronic]

ND40oz wtf does the size of the screen have to do with video graphics? Other than usaully degrade them the larger the size? and how would you know what distance i play games at? I can assure you that a sony 34" xbr crt will wipe the floor with your 60" rear projection lcd. the only tv tech that can compare to the crt is the sxrd technology. And yes i have seen all the sony units as i go to there dealer show every year.
BenKYWALKER SAYING THAT hl2lc IS PATHETIC shows your true ingnorance on the topic of video quality. The forums are full of people talking about the poor aa and image quality of the 360. At this point i will exit this agrument as it is a waste of my time to debate with people how have no idea what they are talking about and completlty contradict themselves with every post. Keep playing you pos 360 and i will keep playing my pc.
peace

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: compgeek89
I just searched google, and I cant find any NFSMW benchies.

Link

And my bad... They are using an X1800XL for benchmarking. But even still, the 7800 isn't going to be twice as fast or anything.

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: compgeek89
And also, 360 didnt give devs what they wanted like the xbox1 did.

THEY WANT x86architecture on asingle core, its what they know and can really use well.

MS gave them what they wanted last gen, they really messed that up this gen.

What oriface did you pull that out from??? To a developer (in every article I've read, and developer I've spoke to) they all say that the development tools given to them for the 360 are amazing. I'd love to see a link where someone said otherwise.

Well actually, many developers (like many people) really hate change. There are quite a few of them complaining about multi-core platforms. If that's what you are referring to, they feel the same way about PC's.

 

[SPARTAN VI]

Originally posted by: cronic
Keep playing you pos 360 and i will keep playing my pc.
peace

Heh, unfortunate that when analyzing gaming systems, the first to go under the scope is system specifications and not games. I guess it makes for a big long discussion... like this thread.

The fact of the matter is you're NOT going to get a variety of racing titles, RPGs, sports, etc. on a PC. Same goes for X360; it'll be cut from certain FPSs and probably all RTSs.

Now if you can live without certain genres.. good for you. I guess a "true" hardcore gamer wouldn't isolate himself to one platform and a couple genres.

 

[JASANITY]

Of course its faster, but costs 5x more to get a system that will utilize it

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: cronic
Keep playing you pos 360 and i will keep playing my pc.
peace

Actually... I'll keep playing great games on both systems, because I don't choose to limit myself. One day I can play God of War, or Resident Evil 4, or Condemned, or PGR3. The next I might play FEAR, or WoW, or HL2. It's nice being able to allow myself to have choices. 🙂

Originally posted by: SPARTAN VI
Heh, unfortunate that when analyzing gaming systems, the first to go under the scope is system specifications and not games. I guess it makes for a big long discussion... like this thread.

The fact of the matter is you're NOT going to get a variety of racing titles, RPGs, sports, etc. on a PC. Same goes for X360; it'll be cut from certain FPSs and probably all RTSs.

Now if you can live without certain genres.. good for you. I guess a "true" hardcore gamer wouldn't isolate himself to one platform and a couple genres.

VERY well said. :thumbsup:

 

[cronic]

hmm, the only sports games i play are ea and they are on the pc and the only racing games of any interest to me are flatout and nfsmw, as for rpg i don't play them so yes the pc offers me plenty of titles to play. if 360 ever looks better i will reconsider, but untill then its pc for me at stupid high resolution.
But if, and that is a huge if, the content i saw of gears of war turns out to be actual gameplay
(which i don't think it was, but thats another topic intirely) that one game would be worth buying another console. we will have to wait and see.

 

[Ichigo]

Fight Night 360 looked nice.

 

[1Dark1Sharigan1]

Sigh, once again we have a debate over two things that can not be really be compared in the first place. I don't think anyone is doubting that a SLI 7800GTXs system would most definitely have more raw graphic processing power than the X360. But that's not really an argument, it's just a mathematical fact. But comparing PC vs. Xbox 360 games however is more than a matter of math.

Also for the person who said that games look better with a 512MB GTX than say a 256MB 7800GT, you do realize that the only difference between those two cards are performance correct? There is absolutely no difference in visual quality or IQ. Merely you get more FPS with one card and less with the other card.

There are many ways for a game to look good and resolution is merely one factor. For instance, texture detail in FEAR isn't exactly super (for such a new game) but the shader/ballistic effects more than make up for that. On the contrary Quake 4 can't quite compare with FEAR when it comes to effects (ballistic or otherwise) but it has better looking textures so visually it is comparable.

I am an avid PC gamer and while I do own both the PS2 and Xbox I would say that 80% of my gaming is still on the PC. However, I have seen and played PGR3 on a 42" LCD TV and I must say that to venture that PC has a comparable racing game with the same amount of immersion or detail is well, a fallacy. Higher resolution for games on the PC is a moot point if the engine itself is inferior. Play Quake 3 @ 2048x1536 and then play HL2 @ 1024x768 and tell me which one looks better. In the same fashion, if a game's engine is not capable of the same level of detail or immersion (dynamic lighting, HDR, motion, etc.) raising the resolution or IQ won't help. Beyond technical elements there are of course also artistic elements to compare. A technically better game engine may not produce a better looking game than a technically inferior gaming engine that utilizes better art.

This can even be said of say comparing Doom 3 engine vs. Source engine. Undoubtly few of us would contend the Source engine is better from a technical standpoint. However, while Doom 3 may have been better from a technical standpoint, I thought HL2 looked better overall.

Graphics are not 100% technical. Graphics is a form of art after all and hence very subjective. However, I would say that even from that angle to say NFSMW on the PC even at higher resolutions is comparable to PGR3 on the X360 is is well, mid-boggling. For example:

http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images.../reviews/927142_20051031_screen001.jpg

vs

http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images.../reviews/927245_20051117_screen001.jpg

How exactly is NFSMW comparable to PGR3 again? And remember those are just still pics and doesn't even taken into account how incredible PGR3 looks in motion (not to mention the "cockpit" view is amazing)

Just my opinion of course, 😉

 

[yhelothar]

Originally posted by: vision33r

Originally posted by: cronic

Originally posted by: vision33r
Really Apples & Oranges..

The 360 IMHO is currently more powerful than the current PC Gaming Setup, graphically.

Don't just count polygons..

The PC has so much overhead in the backend that a lot of wasted processing power.

The consoles have lower overhead, since there's no windoze GUI and the developers can use much more available system resources just for games.

I look at many PC games and 360 games, while the current crop of 360 games aren't that much exciting, there are some impressive graphics that I've yet to see on the PC yet.

Yes, PGR3 makes all PC racers look like SNES Mariokart. Even PC racers like GTR just look like crayon colored cars than PGR3's graphics.

Now, I still play my HL2, CSS, FEAR, and WOW but you gotta admit developers prefer consoles because they can wield more power out of consoles than PCs with the most expensive hardware.

wrong in every way, have you even palyed games on a 7800 sli setup? i highly doubt it. the 360 looks good on low resolution tvs, but a HIGH end pc will blow its doors off.

Dude, I have 6800GT right now and sold my 7800GTX, SLI or not PC graphics just does not push the envelope of the hardware one bit. It is not about hardware, it is the game code is just not pushing the hardware enough.

Show me one PC game that can blow the doors off of PGR3.

Get off that high horse that PC graphics are better, I still have yet to see one PC game that blows Ninja Gaiden Xbox away or Resident Evil 4.

Just because no one makes games like PGR3 for PC, it doesn't mean if they brought the game over to PC, it couldn't run it. GTR does look like crap, but then again, a geforce3 can take it easily. But quake4 in ultra quality mode at 1920x1200 on a PC will destroy an xbox360.

 

[1Dark1Sharigan1]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Just because no one makes games like PGR3 for PC, it doesn't mean if they brought the game over to PC, it couldn't run it. GTR does look like crap, but then again, a geforce3 can take it easily. But quake4 in ultra quality mode at 1920x1200 on a PC will destroy an xbox360.

That's exactly the point, IF the PC had games like that. The problem is it doesn't. And it doesn't because PC game developers have to cater to a broad market of PC hardware from the low end to the high end whereas Console developers only need to code for one hardware specification hence PC games will never show off the true potential of PC hardware. This point has been brought up again and again . . .

Can PGR3 be optimized to look, run, and play well on the PC? Most certainly, even with current high-end PC hardware. Will this happen? Not anytime soon . . .

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: Ichigo
Fight Night 360 looked nice.

Fight Night 3 looks spectacular! The graphics are amazing. Probably the best I've ever seen on any platform, even the mighty SLI PC, for a game of its type.

Some new images for Fight Night 3... And yes, these are actual gameplay screenshots... And yes, it really does look that good!

• Pic 1
• Pic 2
• Pic 3

 

[JRW]

Just got done playing the Fight Night 3 demo and was very impressed, Insane graphic detail & animation especially when it shows a knockout punch in slow motion, Will be looking forward to the full version :thumbsup:

Gamespot has some videos / pics / impressions of the demo here

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: JRW
Just got done playing the Fight Night 3 demo and was very impressed, Insane graphic detail & animation especially when it shows a knockout punch in slow motion, Will be looking forward to the full version :thumbsup:

Gamespot has some videos / pics / impressions of the demo here

I didn't think I'd care too much for FN3... But now that I've played the demo, I'll definitely be picking up this game. 🙂

 

[LukeMan]

after watching the Perfect Dark Zero demo for the Xbox 360 I would have to say that either the cpu or the having to play off dvd is really killing its performance. The graphics looked sweet, but in the high action scenes(mainly the end of the clip where the red head was fighting the flying jet or whatever it was) there would be a real slow down in the fps. Something you notice on computer if your cpu is not powerful enough to keep up with the game.

Check the video clip and be the judge - http://www.xboxyde.com/leech_1886_en.html

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: LukeMan
after watching the Perfect Dark Zero demo for the Xbox 360 I would have to say that either the cpu or the having to play off dvd is really killing its performance. The graphics looked sweet, but in the high action scenes(mainly the end of the clip where the red head was fighting the flying jet or whatever it was) there would be a real slow down in the fps. Something you notice on computer if your cpu is not powerful enough to keep up with the game.

Check the video clip and be the judge - http://www.xboxyde.com/leech_1886_en.html

While there were a lot of slowdowns during the cutscenes (obvious inefficient programming), I didn't incur any slowdown during game action.

 

[Skriptures17]

i have a quad sli system with 4 geforce mx 400 64 mb series, and i bet it kills the 360. hell can you get 8-16 fps at 800x600 while playing call of duty 2 on your babybox360? what thougt not.

 

[JRW]

Originally posted by: LukeMan
after watching the Perfect Dark Zero demo for the Xbox 360 I would have to say that either the cpu or the having to play off dvd is really killing its performance. The graphics looked sweet, but in the high action scenes(mainly the end of the clip where the red head was fighting the flying jet or whatever it was) there would be a real slow down in the fps. Something you notice on computer if your cpu is not powerful enough to keep up with the game.

Check the video clip and be the judge - http://www.xboxyde.com/leech_1886_en.html

I played through the game in 1080i mode and dont remember seeing any slowdown in that area, in fact the only time I remember seeing any issues was during the cutscenes.


If you want to see impressive CPU power try playing Kameo ,theres areas when you'll see hundreds (literaly) of enemies on screen at once and your able to get off your horse and fight them or bowl through them riding your horse without any slowdown whatsoever ,in fact the game never slowed down from start to finish (1080i mode) and it was actualy a fun game,Kameo so far is the most impressive 360 title Ive played through.

Heres a screenshot from the area im reffering to: Pic

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: JRW

Originally posted by: LukeMan
after watching the Perfect Dark Zero demo for the Xbox 360 I would have to say that either the cpu or the having to play off dvd is really killing its performance. The graphics looked sweet, but in the high action scenes(mainly the end of the clip where the red head was fighting the flying jet or whatever it was) there would be a real slow down in the fps. Something you notice on computer if your cpu is not powerful enough to keep up with the game.

Check the video clip and be the judge - http://www.xboxyde.com/leech_1886_en.html

I played through the game in 1080i mode and dont remember seeing any slowdown in that area, in fact the only time I remember seeing any issues was during the cutscenes.


If you want to see impressive CPU power try playing Kameo ,theres areas when you'll see hundreds (literaly) of enemies on screen at once and your able to get off your horse and fight them or bowl through them riding your horse without any slowdown whatsoever ,in fact the game never slowed down from start to finish (1080i mode) and it was actualy a fun game,Kameo so far is the most impressive 360 title Ive played through.

Heres a screenshot from the area im reffering to: Pic

That scene in Kameo is very impressive, indeed.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Nocturnal
Is the graphics combined in two 7800GTX 512mb cards better than the XBox 360's GPU?

are you kidding? my old x850xtpe was better than xbox 360's gpu. a 7800gtx 256mb (non-sli) would crush the xbox 360.

 

[sxr7171]

Originally posted by: Dainas
People assumed the same thing way back when the PS2 came out and it was far far from true thanks to the geForce and Voodoo 5. The only console in history to have graphics processing(NOT cpu) compairible to a high end PC was the dreamcast thanks to basicly having a bumped up Kyro 1 and decent Vram. The dreamcast was compairible because at the time of its release(early 1999 a few months before the geForce 256) the best of the best were TNT2 and voodoo 3. The PS2 was only faster than the dreamcast in poly count and by the time of its release in march 2000 it wast even compairible to high end PCs.

The Xbox 360 is much closer than the PS2 was but I still would not put it near a G70, but I guess we cannot be sure until someone can hack one to run 1600x1200 VGA.

Yeah, when I saw Dreamcast for the first time my jaw dropped. When I saw PS2 I puked at all the jaggies. BTW, Dreamcast was out in 1998 in Japan so that thing really leapfrogged the PC for its time.

 

[JRW]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Nocturnal
Is the graphics combined in two 7800GTX 512mb cards better than the XBox 360's GPU?

are you kidding? my old x850xtpe was better than xbox 360's gpu. a 7800gtx 256mb (non-sli) would crush the xbox 360.

Incorrect.. Try doing some research before posting nonsense. :disgust:

 

[Skriptures17]

Originally posted by: JRW

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Nocturnal
Is the graphics combined in two 7800GTX 512mb cards better than the XBox 360's GPU?

are you kidding? my old x850xtpe was better than xbox 360's gpu. a 7800gtx 256mb (non-sli) would crush the xbox 360.

Incorrect.. Try doing some research before posting nonsense. :disgust:

sorry to break it too you cowboy but he's telling it like it is. and i have done my reserch, xbox 360 is like a man with no arms when it comes to gtx 7800 it just cant hang. in fact some benchmark test r saying it may beat out ps3's RSX, some say other(which is strange as seeing the ps3 isnt even out yet). but all agree it slaps down 360, hands down.

EDIT: but to me i would take the console over the pc just because they release like 70 million more games, and they dont crash ever. But alas no mods 🙁(

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Skriptures17

Originally posted by: JRW

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Nocturnal
Is the graphics combined in two 7800GTX 512mb cards better than the XBox 360's GPU?

are you kidding? my old x850xtpe was better than xbox 360's gpu. a 7800gtx 256mb (non-sli) would crush the xbox 360.

Incorrect.. Try doing some research before posting nonsense. :disgust:

sorry to break it too you cowboy but he's telling it like it is. and i have done my reserch, xbox 360 is like a man with no arms when it comes to gtx 7800 it just cant hang. in fact some benchmark test r saying it may beat out ps3's RSX, some say other(which is strange as seeing the ps3 isnt even out yet). but all agree it slaps down 360, hands down.

EDIT: but to me i would take the console over the pc just because they release like 70 million more games, and they dont crash ever. But alas no mods 🙁(

nonsense

let's see your "research"

 

[ND40oz]

Originally posted by: cronic
ND40oz wtf does the size of the screen have to do with video graphics? Other than usaully degrade them the larger the size? and how would you know what distance i play games at? I can assure you that a sony 34" xbr crt will wipe the floor with your 60" rear projection lcd. the only tv tech that can compare to the crt is the sxrd technology. And yes i have seen all the sony units as i go to there dealer show every year.

Sorry, missed this a few days ago. Size matters based on how far you sit from your tv. To take advantage of the resolution an HDTV, you want to sit 2.5-3 times the height of the screen from the tv. On your 34" XBR that's 5-6 feet, I don't know about you, but I sit farther away then that when playing my 360. Your XBR is a great TV, but personally I'd rather game on something bigger. And to put this in perspective, I have a Sammy 32" HD CRT, Sammy 50" DLP and Sony 60" RPLCD and I prefer playing the 360 on the Sony.