7800 specs leaked (and possibly prices)

[OILFIELDTRASH]

No way the hd7870 is going to be $400. Common sense people. The hd7950 1 gig is going to be $399, the hd7890 (still based on tahiti, albeit more cut down the hd7950) is going to be $349. The hd7870 is going to be $299.... at least until GK104 forces AMD to do some price readjustments.

6970 level performance with 28nm overclocking capabilities and power draw for $300? You could overclock past 7950 performance for $300. Why would anyone buy a 7950 again if the 7870 was $300?

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Probably the worst analogy I have ever seen. People get absolutely raped on the price of gas, some countries much worse than others, usually the ones that have none of their own...

Okay ignore the analogy and tell me if you're okay with price gouging? Cause that's what AMD has done thus far.

 

[Grooveriding]

Okay ignore the analogy and tell me if you're okay with price gouging? Cause that's what AMD has done thus far.

I just don't see it as gouging, or gouging that is beyond the pale or not understandable. I think the only problem is that AMD went back to pricing the way they used to when they were on top and a lot of people had their expectations up because of 4XXX and 5XXX pricing. So, some sticker shock sure.

So we have a group of buyers who got seriously let down when they did not get 5870 redux in being able to afford a couple top end cards on a new process for a good price. The prices are not going to change, beyond maybe a $50 price drop. Will have to wait till late this year once nvidia has their flagship ready.

As per the prices linked for the 78XX series, balderdash, only a fool would believe those are accurate.

 

[Bobisuruncle54]

15-16 months later and we're getting the same price/performance ratio or worse than AMD's previous 6xxx series. Am I the only one seeing the suck in this?

Absolutely not. On these forums there are questionable characters saying moronic things like "work more" because we should be expected to pay more for less performance per $. The 7900 series are not selling well in the UK and I suspect the same goes for the 7700s, with the possible exception to the 7750.

 

[NIGELG]

Well maybe Nvidia fans hate the AMD prices only because it might affect their precious Nvidia card prices....not because they want to buy an ATi card.

 

[railven]

Well maybe Nvidia fans hate the AMD prices only because it might affect their precious Nvidia card prices....not because they want to buy an ATi card.

Hey, they never had issues with the premiums before, why now?

Go Premiums!

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

As per the prices linked for the 78XX series, balderdash, only a fool would believe those are accurate.

The prices are absurd indeed. See the 7770 prices? Any comment on those? So will you keep this same stance once prices are revealed if they are true?

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Well maybe Nvidia fans hate the AMD prices only because it might affect their precious Nvidia card prices....not because they want to buy an ATi card.

Right, what AMD does only matters in so much as affecting the prices of Nvidia cards. If $550 subpar performance allows Nvidia a chance to price their high end cards which destroy the 7970 well above $550 then for shame AMD, for shame.

 

[railven]

Right, what AMD does only matters in so much as affecting the prices of Nvidia cards. If $550 subpar performance allows Nvidia a chance to price their high end cards which destroy the 7970 well above $550 then for shame AMD, for shame.

This post is just completely illogical.

The HD 7970 is faster than the GTX 580. Where should they have priced it? SHouldn't you be mad at nVidia for never lowering the MSRP on their card after a whole year?

It won't stop people from buying the higher priced nVidia card.

 

[skipsneeky2]

Were you planning on buying one if the prices were lower?

LOL i don't think anyone with a 6970 or gtx570 is gonna be purchasing this card,if it doesn't perform the same,its gonna be the price that throws them off and the only upgrade option for people like Toyota is high end 7000 radeon or another gtx570 for sli now or wait for high end 600 series and with his psu,he will of course go for the high end nvidia part if it is cheap enough i am sure over a new psu and another gtx570.

 

[skipsneeky2]

This post is just completely illogical.

The HD 7970 is faster than the GTX 580. Where should they have priced it? SHouldn't you be mad at nVidia for never lowering the MSRP on their card after a whole year?

It won't stop people from buying the higher priced nVidia card.

I used to be be mad about the 7970 pricing myself,but yeah the ocing headroom,the tdp is awesome and the amount of vram really has this card priced right for the moment,if a nvidia high end counterpart does compete good i do doubt still either of the two options will have a price war dropping under $500.

Let the fanboy wars commence if both high end cards are priced nearly the same with the same level of performance,unlike last generation where amd only had mid range for a single gpu,they appear to have a high end part now but who knows,if nvidia has a super monstor coming out,the 7970 could look tiny like the 6970 did to the gtx580.

 

[Grooveriding]

The prices are absurd indeed. See the 7770 prices? Any comment on those? So will you keep this same stance once prices are revealed if they are true?

7770 is a crap card and is the only card in the 7XXX lineup that is not priced appropriately imo. But I have no issue with the 7970/7950 prices. You want the best, you pay for it, that's how it's always been. The GK104 is not going to dethrone the 7970 so prices will stay that way.

These 7870/7850 price rumours are wrong. There is still a 1.5GB 7950 and a 1.5G 7890 that have to fit beneath the $449 price tag of the 7950 3GB and above the price of the 7870. What are they going to be priced, $425 and $435 ? It's not even worthy of discussing. 7870 will be $299, 7850 $249.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

7770 is a crap card and is the only card in the 7XXX lineup that is not priced appropriately imo. But I have no issue with the 7970/7950 prices. You want the best, you pay for it, that's how it's always been. The GK104 is not going to dethrone the 7970 so prices will stay that way.

These 7870/7850 price rumours are wrong. There is still a 1.5GB 7950 and a 1.5G 7890 that have to fit beneath the $449 price tag of the 7950 3GB and above the price of the 7870. What are they going to be priced, $425 and $435 ? It's not even worthy of discussing. 7870 will be $299, 7850 $249.

Well if 7870 is $299 then it won't be equal to 6970 performance. My guess is based upon 7870=6970.

 

[lavaheadache]

7770 is a crap card and is the only card in the 7XXX lineup that is not priced appropriately imo. But I have no issue with the 7970/7950 prices. You want the best, you pay for it, that's how it's always been. The GK104 is not going to dethrone the 7970 so prices will stay that way.

These 7870/7850 price rumours are wrong. There is still a 1.5GB 7950 and a 1.5G 7890 that have to fit beneath the $449 price tag of the 7950 3GB and above the price of the 7870. What are they going to be priced, $425 and $435 ? It's not even worthy of discussing. 7870 will be $299, 7850 $249.

I agree completely with this statement.

I feel only the best warrants the price

 

[BallaTheFeared]

This post is just completely illogical.

The HD 7970 is faster than the GTX 580. Where should they have priced it? SHouldn't you be mad at nVidia for never lowering the MSRP on their card after a whole year?

It won't stop people from buying the higher priced nVidia card.

The leader never follows, Intel never does large reduction of their prices they just phase out their old products.

Nvidia is the Intel of the GPU world, awesome, amazing, always on top. Sure they might be a few months behind, but really whats a few months in a two year time frame?

I'd rather not validate a system where early to market products set the price structure, otherwise we're going to be overpaying for the superior Nvidia card since without question they'll be faster.

 

[railven]

The leader never follows, Intel never does large reduction of their prices they just phase out their old products.

Nvidia is the Intel of the GPU world, awesome, amazing, always on top. Sure they might be a few months behind, but really whats a few months in a two year time frame?

I'd rather not validate a system where early to market products set the price structure, otherwise we're going to be overpaying for the superior Nvidia card since without question they'll be faster.

Then it seems you have more gripes with nVidia than AMD. If they would deliver faster they can set their price and not gouge you. You'll still buy it, as you said - it's the superior product.

Go Premiums!

 

[xbanzai89]

http://www.overclockers.ru/hardnews/46102/Chastota_yadra_Radeon_HD_7870_dostignet_1_GGc.html

Thats a total joke if true.

 

[Grooveriding]

The leader never follows, Intel never does large reduction of their prices they just phase out their old products.

Nvidia is the Intel of the GPU world, awesome, amazing, always on top. Sure they might be a few months behind, but really whats a few months in a two year time frame?

I'd rather not validate a system where early to market products set the price structure, otherwise we're going to be overpaying for the superior Nvidia card since without question they'll be faster.

Don't know about this. Nvidia only holds the single-gpu crown on each process once they manage to release it. Every other bracket AMD has them matched and in many cases bested.

Only about 1% of people out there buy 8800GTX, 480GTX, 580GTX, 680GTX on release day. Everyone else gets the cheaper cards, that again, AMD always has a card as good or better than.

But sure, buy nvidia because some people can afford their best single-gpu cards, even though per your sig, you can't.

Everyone taking notes ? This is brand power working to its best. Go iPad! Go iPhone! Go nvidia! Gooooooo premiums!

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Then it seems you have more gripes with nVidia than AMD. If they would deliver faster they can set their price and not gouge you. You'll still buy it, as you said - it's the superior product.

Go Premiums!

Nah I wouldn't say that, though I'm aware they're not my friend and are a cooperation attempting to bleed money from me just like any other. I have enough power currently for most these console ports, but sooner or later that will change and a new setup will be required.

I just hope when the time comes for that upgrade we're still not paying the same price for last gen performance in the current generation. However I probably won't have to worry about that as I purchase superior Nvidia products.

I can't afford the best card Grooveriding, but I can overclock to that level at less than half the cost silly premiums. Because of superior product design and implementation through drivers and industry leading game development support I give my alliegence to the overlord and master of the universe, Nvidia.

 

[maniac5999]

7770 is a crap card and is the only card in the 7XXX lineup that is not priced appropriately imo. But I have no issue with the 7970/7950 prices. You want the best, you pay for it, that's how it's always been. The GK104 is not going to dethrone the 7970 so prices will stay that way.

These 7870/7850 price rumours are wrong. There is still a 1.5GB 7950 and a 1.5G 7890 that have to fit beneath the $449 price tag of the 7950 3GB and above the price of the 7870. What are they going to be priced, $425 and $435 ? It's not even worthy of discussing. 7870 will be $299, 7850 $249.

Is the 7890 confirmed? I assume that you're also implying the 7950 1.5gb @ $400, and the 7890 @ $350. The gap between the 7950 and the 7870 may not be big enough to facilitate another card in between the two, especially if the 7870 is 1200 cores at 1ghz, as some of the rumors suggest, which would make the gap about 20% between the 7950 and 7870.

If that is the case, we may see the 7870 at $350, with the 7850 2gb at $300, and the 7850 1gb at $249.

Also, Re: the 7770, I think that it's just priced a little too high, I strongly suspect that it's price will drop to $140 after it's been out for a couple months, which IMO is a very reasonable price for the card. (although performance increases in the $150 range have been small over the last few years, I bought my 4870 in march of '09 for $159, and neither AMD nor Nvidia has put out anything dramatically faster)

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Don't know about this. Nvidia only holds the single-gpu crown on each process once they manage to release it. Every other bracket AMD has them matched and in many cases bested.

Only about 1% of people out there buy 8800GTX, 480GTX, 580GTX, 680GTX on release day. Everyone else gets the cheaper cards, that again, AMD always has a card as good or better than.

But sure, buy nvidia because some people can afford their best single-gpu cards, even though per your sig, you can't.

That's a low blow and an ignorant one at that. So what someone spends on gaming computers determines their wealth now? I honestly don't know one person that couldn't afford an uber ftw gaming rig.

And if that's the barometer then what's running a tri sli 2 gen old 480's say about you?

 

[Grooveriding]

That's a low blow and an ignorant one at that. So what someone spends on gaming computers determines their wealth now? I honestly don't know one person that couldn't afford an uber ftw gaming rig.

And if that's the barometer then what's running a tri sli 2 gen old 480's say about you?

I was just highlighting that using the logic of nvidia having the best single-gpu card every process to base your buying decision on is flawed if that's not the card you're buying. That does make sense right ?

Especially with such a broken and off-base comment like 'Nvidia is the Intel of the GPU world, awesome, amazing, always on top.'

Intel dominates CPUs top to bottom for the most part. Nvidia is nowhere near that position in consumer GPUs. They make one niche product that 1% of us buy that out does their competition.

Brand power go.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

I bought 470s but get the same features/support as 580s and the same stock performance at less than half the cost...

What exactly about that is flawed?

 

[railven]

Nah I wouldn't say that, though I'm aware they're not my friend and are a cooperation attempting to bleed money from me just like any other. I have enough power currently for most these console ports, but sooner or later that will change and a new setup will be required.

I just hope when the time comes for that upgrade we're still not paying the same price for last gen performance in the current generation. However I probably won't have to worry about that as I purchase superior Nvidia products.

I can't afford the best card Grooveriding, but I can overclock to that level at less than half the cost silly premiums. Because of superior product design and implementation through drivers and industry leading game development support I give my alliegence to the overlord and master of the universe, Nvidia.

Most definitely, unless there is price fixing and each card slots in between each other with no one really pressing for price drops.

/shrugs

Who knows at this point.

 

[Edrick]

I bought 470s but get the same features/support as 580s and the same stock performance at less than half the cost...

huh? You bought magic 470s?