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71 Year Old Florida Man, In Jail For Shooting Friend's Attackers

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He was fvcked when he did not kill them all.

He will spend the remainder of his life in trial being sued by the thugs
 
When you take the law into your own hands, expect the *real* law to not take it lightly.

IMO a shot in the air would've taken care of the issue, and if it didn't, then pop one of them...
But the fact still stands that he shot a man, and no matter what the circumstance, it's illegal no matter how justified it is. I don't particularly agree with it either....
 
what the hell. this will be thrown out of court.

Deadly force is justifiable in self-defense or the defense of others.
 
Originally posted by: geno
When you take the law into your own hands, expect the *real* law to not take it lightly.

IMO a shot in the air would've taken care of the issue, and if it didn't, then pop one of them...
But the fact still stands that he shot a man, and no matter what the circumstance , it's illegal no matter how justified it is. I don't particularly agree with it either....
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Please tell me you are kidding.
 
Originally posted by: geno
When you take the law into your own hands, expect the *real* law to not take it lightly.

IMO a shot in the air would've taken care of the issue, and if it didn't, then pop one of them...
But the fact still stands that he shot a man, and no matter what the circumstance, it's illegal no matter how justified it is. I don't particularly agree with it either....
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dude you are a complete idiot. ever hear of the "make my day law"? Shooting a man in certain instances is not illegal.
 
Anyone know the demographic of this county in Florida? Possibly a large elderly population but with a high crime rate among the youth? Is the prosecutor elected? If so, this will never see trial.
 
Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: geno
When you take the law into your own hands, expect the *real* law to not take it lightly.

IMO a shot in the air would've taken care of the issue, and if it didn't, then pop one of them...
But the fact still stands that he shot a man, and no matter what the circumstance, it's illegal no matter how justified it is. I don't particularly agree with it either....
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dude you are a complete idiot. ever hear of the "make my day law"? Shooting a man in certain instances is not illegal.
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Maybe someone in his family will get raped or murdered and then he'll understand.

KK
 
While I wouldnt advocate planning on using it for self-defense, in this case, if you only get one hit in the arm, its too bad it wasnt with one of these loaded with either frangible rounds, OR quickly expanding hollow points.
 
Originally posted by: geno
When you take the law into your own hands, expect the *real* law to not take it lightly.

IMO a shot in the air would've taken care of the issue, and if it didn't, then pop one of them...
But the fact still stands that he shot a man, and no matter what the circumstance, it's illegal no matter how justified it is. I don't particularly agree with it either....
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You are what is wrong with the world.

- M4H
 
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Originally posted by: geno
When you take the law into your own hands, expect the *real* law to not take it lightly.

IMO a shot in the air would've taken care of the issue, and if it didn't, then pop one of them...
But the fact still stands that he shot a man, and no matter what the circumstance, it's illegal no matter how justified it is. I don't particularly agree with it either....
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You are what is wrong with the world.

- M4H
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Hey, I'm agreeing with Ornery here, I don't agree with this guy getting arrested
rolleye.gif
Take your flaming and cram it.
 
Originally posted by: Mookow
While I wouldnt advocate planning on using it for self-defense, in this case, if you only get one hit in the arm, its too bad it wasnt with one of these loaded with either frangible rounds, OR quickly expanding hollow points.
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Something tells me that your typical 71-year-old man would have a few issues with the recoil on that baby. 😀

- M4H
 
Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: geno
When you take the law into your own hands, expect the *real* law to not take it lightly.

IMO a shot in the air would've taken care of the issue, and if it didn't, then pop one of them...
But the fact still stands that he shot a man, and no matter what the circumstance, it's illegal no matter how justified it is. I don't particularly agree with it either....
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dude you are a complete idiot. ever hear of the "make my day law"? Shooting a man in certain instances is not illegal.
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Is it ever legal when you're not the one being attacked? I'm not arguing, just tell me if I'm incorrect about this. It was obviously NOT legal in this instance or else this guy wouldn't be arrested right now.
 
Originally posted by: geno
When you take the law into your own hands, expect the *real* law to not take it lightly.

IMO a shot in the air would've taken care of the issue, and if it didn't, then pop one of them...
But the fact still stands that he shot a man, and no matter what the circumstance, it's illegal no matter how justified it is. I don't particularly agree with it either....
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Did you read the article? [Chief assistant state attorney] "Bartlett said people in certain circumstances can fire at aggressors to prevent them from killing someone or causing "great bodily harm" to a victim."

And btw, shooting in the air can still land you in jail for unlawful discharge of a firearm.



 
Originally posted by: geno
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Originally posted by: geno
When you take the law into your own hands, expect the *real* law to not take it lightly.

IMO a shot in the air would've taken care of the issue, and if it didn't, then pop one of them...
But the fact still stands that he shot a man, and no matter what the circumstance, it's illegal no matter how justified it is. I don't particularly agree with it either....
Click to expand...

You are what is wrong with the world.

- M4H
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Hey dickhead, I'm agreeing with Ornery here, I don't agree with this guy getting arrested
rolleye.gif
Take your flaming and cram it.
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Well, since your post was so crystal clear ...

"I don't particularly agree with it either...."

Please explain what it is you're not agreeing with - the shooting, or him being arrested for it.

- M4H
 
Originally posted by: geno
Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: geno
When you take the law into your own hands, expect the *real* law to not take it lightly.

IMO a shot in the air would've taken care of the issue, and if it didn't, then pop one of them...
But the fact still stands that he shot a man, and no matter what the circumstance, it's illegal no matter how justified it is. I don't particularly agree with it either....
Click to expand...

dude you are a complete idiot. ever hear of the "make my day law"? Shooting a man in certain instances is not illegal.
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Is it ever legal when you're not the one being attacked? I'm not arguing, just tell me if I'm incorrect about this. It was obviously NOT legal in this instance or else this guy wouldn't be arrested right now.
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Yea, I would just stand there talking to the police while my elderly family/friend gets the sh!t kicked out of them.
I don't think so.

 
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Originally posted by: geno
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Originally posted by: geno
When you take the law into your own hands, expect the *real* law to not take it lightly.

IMO a shot in the air would've taken care of the issue, and if it didn't, then pop one of them...
But the fact still stands that he shot a man, and no matter what the circumstance, it's illegal no matter how justified it is. I don't particularly agree with it either....
Click to expand...

You are what is wrong with the world.

- M4H
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Hey dickhead, I'm agreeing with Ornery here, I don't agree with this guy getting arrested
rolleye.gif
Take your flaming and cram it.
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Well, since your post was so crystal clear ...

"I don't particularly agree with it either...."

Please explain what it is you're not agreeing with - the shooting, or him being arrested for it.

- M4H
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Thanks Merc, I appreciate you not jumping to conclusions. I think the shooting was justified since the thugs were messing with his car first. The only thing I would've tried first is a warning shot, but I don't think he was obligated to one since he gave them fair warning.
 
Originally posted by: geno
Is it ever legal when you're not the one being attacked? I'm not arguing, just tell me if I'm incorrect about this. It was obviously NOT legal in this instance or else this guy wouldn't be arrested right now.
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There's a reason it's called "Defense of self or other".

- M4H
 
Originally posted by: geno

Is it ever legal when you're not the one being attacked? I'm not arguing, just tell me if I'm incorrect about this. It was obviously NOT legal in this instance or else this guy wouldn't be arrested right now.
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I'm wondering this, myself. Any links?
 
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Originally posted by: geno
Is it ever legal when you're not the one being attacked? I'm not arguing, just tell me if I'm incorrect about this. It was obviously NOT legal in this instance or else this guy wouldn't be arrested right now.
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There's a reason it's called "Defense of self or other".

- M4H
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Would this be a case where he wouldn't even need to be arrested (I guess not since he already is), or where he would be brought to trial and acquitted "by reason of..." [insert law here]?
 
Originally posted by: AvesPKS
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Originally posted by: geno
Is it ever legal when you're not the one being attacked? I'm not arguing, just tell me if I'm incorrect about this. It was obviously NOT legal in this instance or else this guy wouldn't be arrested right now.
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There's a reason it's called "Defense of self or other".

- M4H
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Would this be a case where he wouldn't even need to be arrested (I guess not since he already is), or where he would be brought to trial and acquitted "by reason of..." [insert law here]?
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I am not even sure that the legal defense would matter. The prosecutor would have a very tough time getting a jury that would be willing to convict him. There are a few older people in Florida if I recall.
 
Originally posted by: geno
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Originally posted by: geno
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Originally posted by: geno
When you take the law into your own hands, expect the *real* law to not take it lightly.

IMO a shot in the air would've taken care of the issue, and if it didn't, then pop one of them...
But the fact still stands that he shot a man, and no matter what the circumstance, it's illegal no matter how justified it is. I don't particularly agree with it either....
Click to expand...

You are what is wrong with the world.

- M4H
Click to expand...

Hey dickhead, I'm agreeing with Ornery here, I don't agree with this guy getting arrested
rolleye.gif
Take your flaming and cram it.
Click to expand...

Well, since your post was so crystal clear ...

"I don't particularly agree with it either...."

Please explain what it is you're not agreeing with - the shooting, or him being arrested for it.

- M4H
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Thanks Merc, I appreciate you not jumping to conclusions. I think the shooting was justified since the thugs were messing with his car first. The only thing I would've tried first is a warning shot, but I don't think he was obligated to one since he gave them fair warning.
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Long as you're appreciating my not jumping to conclusions, I appreciate your mastery of the English language. 😛 When you finish discussing "the shooting wasn't justified" for a paragraph, then close with "I don't agree with it either" - the "it" becomes "the shooting". And when it comes to matters such as this, I prefer to err on the side of offensiveness. 😀

The fact that they were messing with his car isn't the justification for using deadly force (which even a .22 is classified as) - the justification is that there were three young guys gang-beating an elderly man.

But hey, that's just my opinion, some people would rather have the old guy go back inside, call 9-1-1, then calmly watch his friend get beaten to death.

- M4H
 
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: AvesPKS
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Originally posted by: geno
Is it ever legal when you're not the one being attacked? I'm not arguing, just tell me if I'm incorrect about this. It was obviously NOT legal in this instance or else this guy wouldn't be arrested right now.
Click to expand...

There's a reason it's called "Defense of self or other".

- M4H
Click to expand...

Would this be a case where he wouldn't even need to be arrested (I guess not since he already is), or where he would be brought to trial and acquitted "by reason of..." [insert law here]?
Click to expand...


I am not even sure that the legal defense would matter. The prosecutor would have a very tough time getting a jury that would be willing to convict him. There are a few older people in Florida if I recall.
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Granted, but that's more akin to how you couldn't get a white jury to convict a white man in the South in the 1950's...I'm asking if this is a situation where it will be acknowledged that he shot the guy, but isn't legally guilty of committing a crime because of [insert law here]?
 
Would this be a case where he wouldn't even need to be arrested (I guess not since he already is), or where he would be brought to trial and acquitted "by reason of..." [insert law here]?
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I am not even sure that the legal defense would matter. The prosecutor would have a very tough time getting a jury that would be willing to convict him. There are a few older people in Florida if I recall.[/quote]

Granted, but that's more akin to how you couldn't get a white jury to convict a white man in the South in the 1950's...I'm asking if this is a situation where it will be acknowledged that he shot the guy, but isn't legally guilty of committing a crime because of [insert law here]?[/quote]

It could very well be. I guess that would depend on the local laws.

 
Originally posted by: AvesPKS
Granted, but that's more akin to how you couldn't get a white jury to convict a white man in the South in the 1950's...I'm asking if this is a situation where it will be acknowledged that he shot the guy, but isn't legally guilty of committing a crime because of [insert law here]?
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Please don't drag a racism-based analogy into this. That crap has nothing to do with justice.

This would be a situation where it's acknowledged that yes, he shot him, but he's not guilty of attempted murder (honestly, wtf?^^) by justification of defense of self or other. In a just world, this guy would be off the hook and home in time for Matlock.

- M4H
 
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