71.89 WHQL drivers up on nVidia's website

[imported_humey]

Id say its just BFG was of making excuses for their POS falesly names o/c cards.

I to was pissed at Nvidia for lack of drivers comapred to long ago, but i guess the nw PvP and opengl and directx added to SLI and profiles gave them bother, so it was lot more work that usual, i would bet thay had internal alphas 10 to 1 on every release at least trying to fix bugs in this new tech.

 

[PrayForDeath]

Originally posted by: hans030390
that doesnt matter...they were proven to be better, and that's sad...they have to WHQL them, which ATI doesnt, and that takes awhile...plus, they are using a different design for their cards, as opposed to ATI using the 9700 design for a reallllly long time (even in todays x800 cards). Nvidia just has more work to do than ATI, so it will take longer, but they DO release better drivers (as in everything that is not IQ and speeds in games).

X800 are not 2 years old technology, they are BASED on 2 year old technology. So ATI DOES have to work on the drivers to improve their quality. And you forgot that drivers don't only tweak hardware, they tweak software as well; meaning, every game that comes out brings many problems, compatibility and other issues with it. So they do have to work hard on their drivers just like nVidia does, but they do it faster, and that's a fact. And ATI DO offer WHQL certification in their drivers except for the millineum package.
Let me ask you this, did you try any ATI video card at all? Because you sound like you didn't. And personally, after getting a 6600GT after the 9800Pro, yes, it is faster and everything. But my only gripe would be the drivers. Every other release I find the "refresh rate override" tab disappeared. And sometimes CSS has strange purple artifacts. And the latest issue is that VST shows "ERROR" in place of the spinning mirrors. That's what I can think of ATM. ATI's drivers were stable for me, and my card is still running in my other machine with no problems at all.
I understand that you like nVidia and their products, but that doesn't mean you should bash ATI for things they didn't do.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: VIAN

You KNOW that NVIDIA had a very fast and consistant release schedule prior to the 6000 series release.

It looks like this is quite normal for Nvidia. Releasing a much needed driver fix soon. According to their Driver release archive.

The last drivers release were:

1 month ago - before that (70)
4 months, then
4 months
7 days (60)
3 months
1 month
1 month
2 months
2 months (50)
14 days
2 months
3 months
2 months
3 months
1 month
2 months (40)
1 month (30)
2 months
2 months (20)

Link? Or does this include betas?

 

[PrayForDeath]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: VIAN

You KNOW that NVIDIA had a very fast and consistant release schedule prior to the 6000 series release.

It looks like this is quite normal for Nvidia. Releasing a much needed driver fix soon. According to their Driver release archive.

The last drivers release were:

1 month ago - before that (70)
4 months, then
4 months
7 days (60)
3 months
1 month
1 month
2 months
2 months (50)
14 days
2 months
3 months
2 months
3 months
1 month
2 months (40)
1 month (30)
2 months
2 months (20)

Link? Or does this include betas?

I don't think it includes beta since there are about 4 releases in 20s/30s/40s.....

 

[PrayForDeath]

Has anyone noticed the survery on the bottom of the page Rollo linked? Supposedly it will help them improve the 'quality of their products'.

 

[jamesbond007]

Originally posted by: cubby1223
YES! Mpeg bug fixed in this release! SiS748 chipset & 6600GT, some mpeg files had corruption with hardware accelleration.

Now if someone knows how to remove the "play on my" item in the context menu of video files, I would absolutely love that! I screwed around with the registry and somehow got it removed on just .avi files, but couldn't for the others, and of course now it's back with the new driver release. =(

http://forums.winforums.org/showthread.php?t=9582

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17
What about the temp bug? Oh and the widescreen DVI problem?

Not that it matters to me since I will no longer have an SLI system, but hey for the people that it would affect.

yes those dell widescreen res's are fixed

 

[Acanthus]

Oh no! Now what do BFG and ackmed have to complain about!!111oneoneone

Im sure itll go back to the SLI is a waste of money argument, because the original warcraft doesnt take advantage of it.

 

[VIAN]

Originally posted by: PrayForDeath

Originally posted by: hans030390
that doesnt matter...they were proven to be better, and that's sad...they have to WHQL them, which ATI doesnt, and that takes awhile...plus, they are using a different design for their cards, as opposed to ATI using the 9700 design for a reallllly long time (even in todays x800 cards). Nvidia just has more work to do than ATI, so it will take longer, but they DO release better drivers (as in everything that is not IQ and speeds in games).

X800 are not 2 years old technology, they are BASED on 2 year old technology. So ATI DOES have to work on the drivers to improve their quality. And you forgot that drivers don't only tweak hardware, they tweak software as well; meaning, every game that comes out brings many problems, compatibility and other issues with it. So they do have to work hard on their drivers just like nVidia does, but they do it faster, and that's a fact. And ATI DO offer WHQL certification in their drivers except for the millineum package.
Let me ask you this, did you try any ATI video card at all? Because you sound like you didn't. And personally, after getting a 6600GT after the 9800Pro, yes, it is faster and everything. But my only gripe would be the drivers. Every other release I find the "refresh rate override" tab disappeared. And sometimes CSS has strange purple artifacts. And the latest issue is that VST shows "ERROR" in place of the spinning mirrors. That's what I can think of ATM. ATI's drivers were stable for me, and my card is still running in my other machine with no problems at all.
I understand that you like nVidia and their products, but that doesn't mean you should bash ATI for things they didn't do.

Yes, ATI driver support is the best. I experience problems with my 6600GT on games that are The Way It's Meant To Be Played. This truely proves that it is all marketing. Yes and drivers malfunction as well. Sometimes, no all the times, if I put Off in Anisotropic Filtering, the optimizations think that I enabled it. I have to manually turn off the Anisotropic Optimization. Default driver quality is horse crap compared to ATI's. But no matter how you look at it. There was no ATI hardware when I needed it. But when there is, I would pick it.

Link? Or does this include betas?

I includes only official driver releases from the Nvidia driver archive.

Looks like they released a lot of driver revisions when the 5900 series was out, attempting to get better performance. Now, they don't really care anymore.

Has anyone noticed the survery on the bottom of the page Rollo linked? Supposedly it will help them improve the 'quality of their products'.

It's BS, just for you to register and they ask you how much you know about certain things like what SLI does and Turbocache. Then you can check something where you might be considered to be emailed a survey.

 

[imported_humey]

BTW, ATI used to have crap drivers and support, when Nvidia had good both, it seems to have went vice versa but i said earlier i think PvP, SLI and new opengl/directx9c and prob lots other fact gave them problems, its no escuse as i was fed up to but things happen.

ATI are now trying to write better opengl into drivers, overall in that review few weeks ago nvidia still have the best drivers.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
Oh no! Now what do BFG and ackmed have to complain about!!111oneoneone

Im sure itll go back to the SLI is a waste of money argument, because the original warcraft doesnt take advantage of it.

LOL- this is pretty funny. SLI does seem to be the controversy of the month doesn't it? Curse nV for giving us more power!

 

[imported_humey]

I like the "dx9c / p.s 3.0 / hdr and sli" aint needed talk. lol

I can tell you i just complete Doom3 ROE and i just managed to play at 1600x1200 all settings maxed and 5.1 sound on (yes helps to slow pc to).

That game is a PC raper, i halfed frames to 29-32 with them settings and SLI with 2x Ultras would have been nice esp when you run with Torch on as it can really hit the game.

If cash flow was ok, at time i build next pci e rig i will get 2x "whatever is top model nvidias" at the time.

 

[billwinkle]

OK who posted my sex life timeline? jk😱

 

[VIAN]

Doom3 doesn't use dx9c for graphics, ps3 obviously, or hdr.

All I need is one 6600GT to play at 1280x1024 and I'm fine. My monitor looks best at that res. Because the game is so dark anyway, there probably won't be a big noticeable difference between higher resolutins with AA and AF enabled. Those with super big monitors also have the money to spend on SLI.

you don't need all those things actually.

HDR is kinda nice but not very realistic right now. PS3 does nothing over PS1 with a big performance hit. the other part of dx9c may be useful. VS3.

 

[imported_humey]

I know Doom 3 + add on dont use all them functions its a openGL game anyhow, but still its taste of PC raping games to come, SLI has a place, i wouldnt play games at that res you use , no offence.

Hmm, ive heard peeps trying to claim p.s 3.0 has nothing over 2.0 but never 1.0, you obv not seen pics of splinter Cell 3 CT with side by side pics of ATI and Nvidia, yes thats correct game only has choice of 1.0 or 3.0, this was done probably to piss of ATI by Ubisoft.

 

[VIAN]

If you have the money to play it at the res than more power to ya.

The diff between 1.1 and 3.0 is that 1.1 shows some texture artifacts, which I would rather have instead of the horrible performance that 3.0 delivers. Noticed from Demo.

 

[BFG10K]

that doesnt matter...they were proven to be better,

Not anymore I'm afraid. My 6800U has crashed far more than my 9700 Pro did.

they have to WHQL them, which ATI doesnt,

What the hell are you talking about? ATi has been releasing monthly WHQL drivers since 2002 or so.

You KNOW that NVIDIA had a very fast and consistant release schedule prior to the 6000 series release.

2-4 months is pretty much the same timeframe as it's always been. Of course before the FX line nVidia's beta drivers were actually quite good so I was more than happy to use them.

According to their Driver release archive.

Now why don't you look at ATi's release archive?

Oh no! Now what do BFG and ackmed have to complain about!!

How about the fact that 61.77, 66.93 and 71.84 were four months apart between each pair and contained raging issues that needed to be fixed? Like TWIMTBP on UT2003/UT2004 which had a 50% chance of rebooting a DEP system?

TWIMTBP indeed.

I like the "dx9c / p.s 3.0 / hdr and sli" aint needed talk. lol
I can tell you i just complete Doom3 ROE

Any such talk has nothing to do with Doom 3 or ROE.

Hmm, ive heard peeps trying to claim p.s 3.0 has nothing over 2.0 but never 1.0,

We've already covered dozens of scereenshots back in the SM 2.0/FX days but all we got was nV fanboys posting "smack smack, shiny pipes" comments.

 

[imported_humey]

Why have you got a bee in your bonnet, if your Nvidia crashes i guess it may be a BFG, i got zero issues, and if i or others add a game in to explain something, so be it.

All them quotes + replys are just rants, the top one means nothing, just because your card crashes and the drivers aint gonna flow as much as before as the new added functions inc all i mentioned but prob mostly SLI.

Yes they were buggy etc etc, but new ones are good for all ive asked so far and for me on non sli agp.

 

[BFG10K]

i got zero issues

Yes they were buggy

That's a very interesting paradox you've got there.

 

[imported_humey]

Yes it is especially if you edit and paste parts of different topics of my post, you could make any sentance/statement doing that.

Ive had ZERO probs on my 6800 U on any drivers even ones peeps got probs with in HL2 etc.

I did though state the drivers were probably buggy (for some) esp SLI as its new.

2 totally different parts of my post back seperated again not edited 🙂

 

[housecat]

why are you guys arguing over this

NVs drivers have no equal, it doesnt matter how often they update them

they are the best drivers.. whats the problem?

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

that doesnt matter...they were proven to be better,

Not anymore I'm afraid. My 6800U has crashed far more than my 9700 Pro did.

they have to WHQL them, which ATI doesnt,

What the hell are you talking about? ATi has been releasing monthly WHQL drivers since 2002 or so.

You KNOW that NVIDIA had a very fast and consistant release schedule prior to the 6000 series release.

2-4 months is pretty much the same timeframe as it's always been. Of course before the FX line nVidia's beta drivers were actually quite good so I was more than happy to use them.

According to their Driver release archive.

Now why don't you look at ATi's release archive?

Oh no! Now what do BFG and ackmed have to complain about!!

How about the fact that 61.77, 66.93 and 71.84 were four months apart between each pair and contained raging issues that needed to be fixed? Like TWIMTBP on UT2003/UT2004 which had a 50% chance of rebooting a DEP system?

TWIMTBP indeed.

I like the "dx9c / p.s 3.0 / hdr and sli" aint needed talk. lol
I can tell you i just complete Doom3 ROE

Any such talk has nothing to do with Doom 3 or ROE.

Hmm, ive heard peeps trying to claim p.s 3.0 has nothing over 2.0 but never 1.0,

We've already covered dozens of scereenshots back in the SM 2.0/FX days but all we got was nV fanboys posting "smack smack, shiny pipes" comments.

You have your 6800U configured wrong then, or refuse to disable DEP when you play UT2004. 1 of only 2 major titles with crash issues, and the other title isnt even out in the US yet.

1-2 months has been their release schedule for drivers traditionally.

As for the shiny pipes comment, you guys are doing the exact same thing now, and when the R520 comes along im sure PS3.0 will be all the rage because itll be faster than the 6800U in PS3.0. The "OMG ITS MORE PLAYABLE!!!!" crap will start flying, then nvidia will release the G70 chip and youll find some quirky little bug to frenzy on like a *pair* of sharks, (notice i didnt say school).

I tire of this endless argument about which is better, SLI is clearly on top as of now.

 

[housecat]

thats exactly right acanthus. ati fanboys try their damn-dest to convince everyone that ati is still on top.

we all know the radeon x800s/x850 is not on top.

until r520 is released, sm3 sucks, sli sucks.
we've been thru this a million times.



but the facts are clear, as of 4-16-05:
Nvidia supports the current Microsoft DirectX standard, DX9C
ATI does not.
Nvidia has working SLI that supports near 100% performance gains
ATI does not have anything at all. Just some vaporware.

So I really dont know what people are talking about here, other than attempting to downplay these facts as well as possible.

 

[VIAN]

Now why don't you look at ATi's release archive?

Because, I don't need to. I know that they release a driver every month or so, never going past 2 months, if a driver takes a bit more time. It's guarranteed and you know it.

why are you guys arguing over this

NVs drivers have no equal, it doesnt matter how often they update them

they are the best drivers.. whats the problem?

They have no equal, and ATI surpasses NV's so called quality. Where have you been man. ATI has better drivers.

1-2 months has been their release schedule for drivers traditionally.

As for the shiny pipes comment, you guys are doing the exact same thing now, and when the R520 comes along im sure PS3.0 will be all the rage because itll be faster than the 6800U in PS3.0. The "OMG ITS MORE PLAYABLE!!!!" crap will start flying, then nvidia will release the G70 chip and youll find some quirky little bug to frenzy on like a *pair* of sharks, (notice i didnt say school).

I tire of this endless argument about which is better, SLI is clearly on top as of now.

According to the schedule I setup, they haven't been traditional since ATI started to woop their ass in 2002. That's a long time ago and tradition has since been forgotten about.

And you know it will, that's why SM3.0 is retarded to base your purchase on. There isn't great performance on it. And that's why ATI didn't implement it. Why waste money on a useless feature like SM3.0.

Yeah, and so is the 60 card SLI of wildcat vpus.

we all know the radeon x800s/x850 is not on top.

Yeah, well it would be if ATI didn't fck up with availability. I'm angry about that, cause I wasn't even given a choice of what card to get, unless I spent much money. But yes, they have better performance.

until r520 is released, sm3 sucks, sli sucks.
we've been thru this a million times.

SLI is always gonna suck. SM3 is the future and was probably implimented in the Nv card more so that developers had time to play with it, but buying the card just for the feature was the most retarded thing people have done. And it was said at release time by some that the feature would run slow when activated.

but the facts are clear, as of 4-16-05:
Nvidia supports the current Microsoft DirectX standard, DX9C
ATI does not.
Nvidia has working SLI that supports near 100% performance gains
ATI does not have anything at all. Just some vaporware.

Yeah, well MS also supports DX9b
Nvidia doesn't have near 100% as they claim. It's like around 85 or something.
ATI doesn't need it IMO, but if you're in the market for it, hopefully they'll be working on a better implementation and as far as rumors go, ATI's implimentation sounds better.

 

[nRollo]

What the hell are you talking about? ATi has been releasing monthly WHQL drivers since 2002 or so.

The thing about this is ATI has been renaming the same core since 2002 or so. (i.e. they should be good at writing drivers for it, they had years of practice, not too mention it's a fairly primitive core compared to the nV40)