7-year-old suspended over stick-figure drawing

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: Xanis

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
You guys are stupid. You really buy that he drew a water pistol? have you EVER drawn a picture of somebody shooting a water pistol? :roll:

And the fact that he gave it to some other kid? Why? As a valentine? Or as a veiled threat? You don't know. I don't know. But the facts as we've seen them presented, could very well lead to the conclusion that this kid may have some violent tendencies that I'd want his parents to sit down and consider....ESPECIALLY at this age.

Oh, I forgot. Every kid that draws guns is a potential KILLER!!!

I drew guns and shit all the time when I was kid. Why? B/C I watched fucking GI Joe and Transformers and it was cool as hell!!!!

America is too fucking scared for its own good these days, so they over police. Like I said above, Columbine and 9/11 have made for some scared shitless Americans. Fuck the war on terror, we need a war on mindless, numbnut, jump to conclusions assholes that are scared of their own shadows.

I recently read the piece on Colin Powell in the October issue of GQ Magazine. He said it best:

We are taking too much counsel of our fears...

Yes, there are a few dangerous nuts in Brooklyn and New Jersey who want to blow up Kennedy Airport and Fort Dix. These are dangerous criminals, and we must deal with them. But come on, this is not a threat to our survival! The only thing that can really destroy us is us. We shouldn't do it to ourselves, and we shouldn't use fear for political purposes -- scaring people to death to they will vote for you, or scaring people to death so that we create a terror-industrial complex.

You are perfectly typical of what I described. It's not what he drew. He gave the picture to some other kid. That's the key part. His motivation for doing to is the key. Maybe he thought it was a fine work of art, this stick figure drawing......maybe it was a love note......who knows. But if it WAS a threat of any kind, then, yes, he needed to be suspended.

Are you shitting me? It's a 7 year old child. You probably drew guns, explosions and other violent stuff when you were a child. For that matter, what little boy DOESN'T like a little violence? He probably drew the gun because he saw it on Power Rangers or some shit, not because he's a psychopathic killer or something at SEVEN YEARS OF AGE.

How could you read my last post and then write that? Is this forum the homepage for a LAN at a stupid convention or something?

 

[Number1]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
You guys are stupid. You really buy that he drew a water pistol? have you EVER drawn a picture of somebody shooting a water pistol? :roll:

And the fact that he gave it to some other kid? Why? As a valentine? Or as a veiled threat? You don't know. I don't know. But the facts as we've seen them presented, could very well lead to the conclusion that this kid may have some violent tendencies that I'd want his parents to sit down and consider....ESPECIALLY at this age.

Here is the picture in question:

Gun

You are right that this drawing could have been perceived as a direct threat to the young child who received it. One day suspension seams reasonable in that case.

 

[xanis]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Xanis

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
You guys are stupid. You really buy that he drew a water pistol? have you EVER drawn a picture of somebody shooting a water pistol? :roll:

And the fact that he gave it to some other kid? Why? As a valentine? Or as a veiled threat? You don't know. I don't know. But the facts as we've seen them presented, could very well lead to the conclusion that this kid may have some violent tendencies that I'd want his parents to sit down and consider....ESPECIALLY at this age.

Oh, I forgot. Every kid that draws guns is a potential KILLER!!!

I drew guns and shit all the time when I was kid. Why? B/C I watched fucking GI Joe and Transformers and it was cool as hell!!!!

America is too fucking scared for its own good these days, so they over police. Like I said above, Columbine and 9/11 have made for some scared shitless Americans. Fuck the war on terror, we need a war on mindless, numbnut, jump to conclusions assholes that are scared of their own shadows.

I recently read the piece on Colin Powell in the October issue of GQ Magazine. He said it best:

We are taking too much counsel of our fears...

Yes, there are a few dangerous nuts in Brooklyn and New Jersey who want to blow up Kennedy Airport and Fort Dix. These are dangerous criminals, and we must deal with them. But come on, this is not a threat to our survival! The only thing that can really destroy us is us. We shouldn't do it to ourselves, and we shouldn't use fear for political purposes -- scaring people to death to they will vote for you, or scaring people to death so that we create a terror-industrial complex.

You are perfectly typical of what I described. It's not what he drew. He gave the picture to some other kid. That's the key part. His motivation for doing to is the key. Maybe he thought it was a fine work of art, this stick figure drawing......maybe it was a love note......who knows. But if it WAS a threat of any kind, then, yes, he needed to be suspended.

Are you shitting me? It's a 7 year old child. You probably drew guns, explosions and other violent stuff when you were a child. For that matter, what little boy DOESN'T like a little violence? He probably drew the gun because he saw it on Power Rangers or some shit, not because he's a psychopathic killer or something at SEVEN YEARS OF AGE.

How could you read my last post and then write that? Is this forum the homepage for a LAN at a stupid convention or something?

My point is that tons of other kids have probably done the same thing before and nothing was made of it. Why? Because kids will be kids. Lots of boys draw guns and whatnot. Does that mean anything? Probably not. I understand what you're saying though about the motivation factor, so I'm not completely ignorant. All I'm saying is that it's just something that's been blown way out of proportion.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Anubis
and the pussificiation of america continues

QFmfTruth.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: Xanis

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Xanis

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
You guys are stupid. You really buy that he drew a water pistol? have you EVER drawn a picture of somebody shooting a water pistol? :roll:

And the fact that he gave it to some other kid? Why? As a valentine? Or as a veiled threat? You don't know. I don't know. But the facts as we've seen them presented, could very well lead to the conclusion that this kid may have some violent tendencies that I'd want his parents to sit down and consider....ESPECIALLY at this age.

Oh, I forgot. Every kid that draws guns is a potential KILLER!!!

I drew guns and shit all the time when I was kid. Why? B/C I watched fucking GI Joe and Transformers and it was cool as hell!!!!

America is too fucking scared for its own good these days, so they over police. Like I said above, Columbine and 9/11 have made for some scared shitless Americans. Fuck the war on terror, we need a war on mindless, numbnut, jump to conclusions assholes that are scared of their own shadows.

I recently read the piece on Colin Powell in the October issue of GQ Magazine. He said it best:

We are taking too much counsel of our fears...

Yes, there are a few dangerous nuts in Brooklyn and New Jersey who want to blow up Kennedy Airport and Fort Dix. These are dangerous criminals, and we must deal with them. But come on, this is not a threat to our survival! The only thing that can really destroy us is us. We shouldn't do it to ourselves, and we shouldn't use fear for political purposes -- scaring people to death to they will vote for you, or scaring people to death so that we create a terror-industrial complex.

You are perfectly typical of what I described. It's not what he drew. He gave the picture to some other kid. That's the key part. His motivation for doing to is the key. Maybe he thought it was a fine work of art, this stick figure drawing......maybe it was a love note......who knows. But if it WAS a threat of any kind, then, yes, he needed to be suspended.

Are you shitting me? It's a 7 year old child. You probably drew guns, explosions and other violent stuff when you were a child. For that matter, what little boy DOESN'T like a little violence? He probably drew the gun because he saw it on Power Rangers or some shit, not because he's a psychopathic killer or something at SEVEN YEARS OF AGE.

How could you read my last post and then write that? Is this forum the homepage for a LAN at a stupid convention or something?

My point is that tons of other kids have probably done the same thing before and nothing was made of it. Why? Because kids will be kids. Lots of boys draw guns and whatnot. Does that mean anything? Probably not. I understand what you're saying though about the motivation factor, so I'm not completely ignorant. All I'm saying is that it's just something that's been blown way out of proportion.

Bolded the key phrase. Also, he claims it was a water gun which probably makes him a lying little bastard.

 

[IEC]

Originally posted by: NFS4
Why are some school officials so fucking stupid?

Columbine + 9/11 = America has lost its fucking mind

We all know what good ol' Bennie Franklin would say about this...

(Heavily paraphrased) Any idiot who gives up liberty to be "safe" deserves to live in constant danger and lose his liberty.

Frivolous litigation, anal-retentiveness, political-correctness, spineless cowards, and corrupt politics are to blame for our current state of FAIL.

 

[apac]

Jeez and I used to draw jeeps and helicopters loaded with missiles and guns when I was that old. Usually I just roll my eyes at this "pussification of america" stuff people always whine about, but this is outrageous.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Number1

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
You guys are stupid. You really buy that he drew a water pistol? have you EVER drawn a picture of somebody shooting a water pistol? :roll:

And the fact that he gave it to some other kid? Why? As a valentine? Or as a veiled threat? You don't know. I don't know. But the facts as we've seen them presented, could very well lead to the conclusion that this kid may have some violent tendencies that I'd want his parents to sit down and consider....ESPECIALLY at this age.

Here is the picture in question:

Gun

You are right that this drawing could have been perceived as a direct threat to the young child who received it. One day suspension seams reasonable in that case.

Yes, because usually shooters and their victims SMILE when it's happening.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor


Bolded the key phrase. Also, he claims it was a water gun which probably makes him a lying little bastard.

Call me crazy, but I'd tend to agree with the "little bastard." The pic shows both kids with smiling faces. That to me indicates "fun."

Every seven year old knows that "X's" over the eyes and a frowning face means death.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
You guys are stupid. You really buy that he drew a water pistol? have you EVER drawn a picture of somebody shooting a water pistol? :roll:

And the fact that he gave it to some other kid? Why? As a valentine? Or as a veiled threat? You don't know. I don't know. But the facts as we've seen them presented, could very well lead to the conclusion that this kid may have some violent tendencies that I'd want his parents to sit down and consider....ESPECIALLY at this age.

You win the Idiot of the Day award. A 7 year old drawing guns has violent tendencies? You're a damn fool.

 

[mugs]

If a gun will get you suspended, then the graphic depictions of battles involving aircraft carriers and fighter jets probably would have gotten me expelled in elementary school.

The school is pretty stupid, but wtf is the deal with the parents of the other kid?! Unless there are some details that we're missing here (and I have NO doubt we're missing some important details), it sounds like they need a good kick in the ass.

 

[ColdFusion718]

Originally posted by: Anubis
and the pussificiation of america continues

 

[videogames101]

What idiots are running these schools? do we have anyone with half a brain in any government position? i hate people!

lol, cheers :beer:



EDIT: when i was in second grade, i brought in a 50-cal round from a military plane i had been on, and used it for show and tell. this was 7 years ago, and i didn't even know it might be a bad thing to bring in, and i never even got talked to by a teacher, it was no big deal. but now, a kid draws a stick-figure and gets suspended? wtf....

 

[randay]

Another great case for crayon control laws! Only licensed drawers should be allowed to carry crayons. We need to do something to reduce all the rampant drawings.

 

[IEC]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
You guys are stupid. You really buy that he drew a water pistol? have you EVER drawn a picture of somebody shooting a water pistol? :roll:

And the fact that he gave it to some other kid? Why? As a valentine? Or as a veiled threat? You don't know. I don't know. But the facts as we've seen them presented, could very well lead to the conclusion that this kid may have some violent tendencies that I'd want his parents to sit down and consider....ESPECIALLY at this age.

Jack Thompson, is that you?

 

[IEC]

Originally posted by: randay
Another great case for crayon control laws! Only licensed drawers should be allowed to carry crayons. We need to do something to reduce all the rampant drawings.

We should start the Cradle To Grave Association of America (CTGAA) which licenses being able to do anything and everything with DRM. That way whenever anyone does anything we don't like, we can just invalidate their license keys! Imagine the look on their faces when their crayon drawing turns into a big red "X" and says "This image cannot be displayed because the license key is invalid. Contact the reseller of crayons and paper to get properly licensed tools and media."

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: jagec
"zero-tolerance" policy on GUNS, not on *&$# drawings:roll:

Besides, zero-tolerance policies are almost never a good idea. It's not as if they enact harsher penalties for the worst offenders, they just enforce the harshest penalty on ALL offenders, even the ones who don't deserve any punishment at all.

Its one of those "word of the hour" type words that makes things worse. We see them all the time.

 

[RESmonkey]

Seriously, though. This was just pretty fucking stupid. It's a drawing. Take your fingers out of your asses and accept it. The kid doesn't even have extremist thoughts that these highschool/college shooters have. Stupid administration.

 

[Number1]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Number1

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
You guys are stupid. You really buy that he drew a water pistol? have you EVER drawn a picture of somebody shooting a water pistol? :roll:

And the fact that he gave it to some other kid? Why? As a valentine? Or as a veiled threat? You don't know. I don't know. But the facts as we've seen them presented, could very well lead to the conclusion that this kid may have some violent tendencies that I'd want his parents to sit down and consider....ESPECIALLY at this age.

Here is the picture in question:

Gun

You are right that this drawing could have been perceived as a direct threat to the young child who received it. One day suspension seams reasonable in that case.

Yes, because usually shooters and their victims SMILE when it's happening.

Smiling or not this drawing WAS perceived as a threat by the young child and her parents. That is the only explanation that makes sense to me as to why the child would have been suspended

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: Number1

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
You guys are stupid. You really buy that he drew a water pistol? have you EVER drawn a picture of somebody shooting a water pistol? :roll:

And the fact that he gave it to some other kid? Why? As a valentine? Or as a veiled threat? You don't know. I don't know. But the facts as we've seen them presented, could very well lead to the conclusion that this kid may have some violent tendencies that I'd want his parents to sit down and consider....ESPECIALLY at this age.

Here is the picture in question:

Gun

You are right that this drawing could have been perceived as a direct threat to the young child who received it. One day suspension seams reasonable in that case.

Thanks. Good new info.

Doesn't settle it one way or the other, though. I'd think a picture of a water gun would have a stream and not a series of bullet things. Although a manual non-super-soaker type of gun could have multiple shots like that. And the stuff streaming from poor David looks like water to me moreso than a gaping neck wound.

Looks like a water gun to me, personally. But there's still an issue of context. Who is David? Why was a kid bothered enough to give it to a parent and how did he get it?

As for zero tolerance, it's really the lesser of two evils. The other being a beaurocratic nightmare with every incident needing to be reviewed and the result being nothing ever getting done. Although you could argue a water gun isn't the same, which is what I would do.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Number1

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Number1

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
You guys are stupid. You really buy that he drew a water pistol? have you EVER drawn a picture of somebody shooting a water pistol? :roll:

And the fact that he gave it to some other kid? Why? As a valentine? Or as a veiled threat? You don't know. I don't know. But the facts as we've seen them presented, could very well lead to the conclusion that this kid may have some violent tendencies that I'd want his parents to sit down and consider....ESPECIALLY at this age.

Here is the picture in question:

Gun

You are right that this drawing could have been perceived as a direct threat to the young child who received it. One day suspension seams reasonable in that case.

Yes, because usually shooters and their victims SMILE when it's happening.

Smiling or not this drawing WAS perceived as a threat by the young child and her parents. That is the only explanation that makes sense to me as to why the child would have been suspended

Isn't this one of those things where you contact the other kid's parents to see what's going on instead of the administrators? When I was in elementary school 20 years ago, parents had call lists where they could get in contact with other parents. This is something that could have been resolved in a 5 minute phone conversation instead of going to school officials.

Instead, "OMG HE'S TRYING TO KILL MY BAY-BEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!111one"

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Number1

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Number1

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
You guys are stupid. You really buy that he drew a water pistol? have you EVER drawn a picture of somebody shooting a water pistol? :roll:

And the fact that he gave it to some other kid? Why? As a valentine? Or as a veiled threat? You don't know. I don't know. But the facts as we've seen them presented, could very well lead to the conclusion that this kid may have some violent tendencies that I'd want his parents to sit down and consider....ESPECIALLY at this age.

Here is the picture in question:

Gun

You are right that this drawing could have been perceived as a direct threat to the young child who received it. One day suspension seams reasonable in that case.

Yes, because usually shooters and their victims SMILE when it's happening.

Smiling or not this drawing WAS perceived as a threat by the young child and her parents. That is the only explanation that makes sense to me as to why the child would have been suspended

Isn't this one of those things where you contact the other kid's parents to see what's going on instead of the administrators? When I was in elementary school 20 years ago, parents had call lists where they could get in contact with other parents. This is something that could have been resolved in a 5 minute phone conversation instead of going to school officials.

Instead, "OMG HE'S TRYING TO KILL MY BAY-BEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!111one"

Maybe the two kids have a history of conflict...

 

[RaiderJ]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
You guys are stupid. You really buy that he drew a water pistol? have you EVER drawn a picture of somebody shooting a water pistol? :roll:

And the fact that he gave it to some other kid? Why? As a valentine? Or as a veiled threat? You don't know. I don't know. But the facts as we've seen them presented, could very well lead to the conclusion that this kid may have some violent tendencies that I'd want his parents to sit down and consider....ESPECIALLY at this age.

I was wondering what happened to you.

 

[Number1]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Number1

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Number1

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
You guys are stupid. You really buy that he drew a water pistol? have you EVER drawn a picture of somebody shooting a water pistol? :roll:

And the fact that he gave it to some other kid? Why? As a valentine? Or as a veiled threat? You don't know. I don't know. But the facts as we've seen them presented, could very well lead to the conclusion that this kid may have some violent tendencies that I'd want his parents to sit down and consider....ESPECIALLY at this age.

Here is the picture in question:

Gun

You are right that this drawing could have been perceived as a direct threat to the young child who received it. One day suspension seams reasonable in that case.

Yes, because usually shooters and their victims SMILE when it's happening.

Smiling or not this drawing WAS perceived as a threat by the young child and her parents. That is the only explanation that makes sense to me as to why the child would have been suspended

Isn't this one of those things where you contact the other kid's parents to see what's going on instead of the administrators? When I was in elementary school 20 years ago, parents had call lists where they could get in contact with other parents. This is something that could have been resolved in a 5 minute phone conversation instead of going to school officials.

Instead, "OMG HE'S TRYING TO KILL MY BAY-BEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!111one"

The way some parents are, they will invariably side with their own children.
It is a better idea for the offended party to contact the autorities with their complaints. The school board is in a better position to decide if the complaint was justified and take action.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Number1


Smiling or not this drawing WAS perceived as a threat by the young child and her parents. That is the only explanation that makes sense to me as to why the child would have been suspended

Ok, what if someone gives someone a flower and they perceived that as a threat? You know, the flower got decapitated and now you're giving the severed head to someone.

Or if you give someone a hug and get suspended for that. Woops, I forgot- someone already did get suspended for that.