65 pregnant teens = one canceled abstinence-only program

[Savij]

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Absitance has a 100% success rate in avoiding pregnancy and STDs, but it needs to be presented and supported strongly.

Teens too stupid to know that having sex unprotected can lead to preganncy would probably be too stupid to open a concom wrapper anyway.

That's not true. My sister got pregnant without ever having sex.

Was her name Mary?

You try and stay abstinant for too long and God will knock you up.

 

[yhelothar]

Abstaining from using motor vehicles as means of trasportation has a 100% success rate in avoiding death and motor vehicle related injuries.
Abstinence is probably good for retards that can figure out how to have sex without getting pregnant.. same as the people who can't drive a fvcking car to save their life.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Savij

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Absitance has a 100% success rate in avoiding pregnancy and STDs, but it needs to be presented and supported strongly.

Teens too stupid to know that having sex unprotected can lead to preganncy would probably be too stupid to open a concom wrapper anyway.

That's not true. My sister got pregnant without ever having sex.

Was her name Mary?

You try and stay abstinant for too long and God will knock you up.

naw she probably got ahold of a turkey baster and was playing the fertility doctor game

 

[mattpegher]

Actually by Heroofpellenor's logic homosexual encounters would be a good way of preventing pregnancy.

But not stds;-)

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: mordantmonkey

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Absitance has a 100% success rate in avoiding pregnancy and STDs, but it needs to be presented and supported strongly.

Teens too stupid to know that having sex unprotected can lead to preganncy would probably be too stupid to open a concom wrapper anyway.

however, abstinence has a far lower adherence rate among highschoolers, regardless of support and presentation.

And that is the problem. It is a waste of time. Teenagers want to have sexual relations, and telling them to abstain from sex won't change their mind when Johnny has his hand up Mary's skirt and 10 minutes later she is riding him like a horse.

They should just have condoms available for free...or something. You can't stop the hormones.

that's saying that losing self control is an excuse for the commission of any act. therefore, if you piss me off, i am perfectly justified in losing control of myself, putting a gun to your head and spilling your brains on the ground.

just because a lot of people do something doesn't make it right. in this case, kids fvcking like rabbits. parents need to teach their kids, period. you can teach self control - otherwise there'd be plenty more shootings and plenty more pregnant teens.

to absolve people from being responsible for controlling themselves is to throw the very foundations of society away. by allowing people to succumb to the very basest instincts, we will become nothing more than animals. i'm not saying that people shouldn't have sex. i'm saying people need to be able to control themselves - something that seems far less prevalent now.

 

[eakers]

do you have a link?

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: glen
What is wrogn with books from 1988?
Has reading, math, or sex changed since then?

A little bit, yes, and yes

It's also nice to have newer literature

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Abstaining from using motor vehicles as means of trasportation has a 100% success rate in avoiding death and motor vehicle related injuries.
Abstinence is probably good for retards that can figure out how to have sex without getting pregnant.. same as the people who can't drive a fvcking car to save their life.

How does me not driving or operating a motor vehicle prevent me from getting struck with one while walking on the sidewalk?

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Abstaining from using motor vehicles as means of trasportation has a 100% success rate in avoiding death and motor vehicle related injuries.
Abstinence is probably good for retards that can figure out how to have sex without getting pregnant.. same as the people who can't drive a fvcking car to save their life.

How does me not driving or operating a motor vehicle prevent me from getting struck with one while walking on the sidewalk?

well thats why you should live in a padded room at home. door locked with chains, bolts and those metal shaft door stops.

 

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: glen
What is wrogn with books from 1988?
Has reading, math, or sex changed since then?

A little bit, yes, and yes

It's also nice to have newer literature

Sex has changed since 1988? Explain, please.

 

[DrPizza]

I wonder if you're all over-looking one thing - perhaps teenaged pregnancy was seen by many of those girls as a great way to seize independence? They get to get out of school and get their own apartment paid for by welfare... I saw it happen in the city I used to live in with a small group of girls one year - they intentionally got pregnant, because it was seen as a quick way to achieve status as an adult.

 

[mattpegher]

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: glen
What is wrogn with books from 1988?
Has reading, math, or sex changed since then?

A little bit, yes, and yes

It's also nice to have newer literature

Sex has changed since 1988? Explain, please.

The only thing I see is that casual oral sex is now in voque. Damn why wasn't it that way when I was in school.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: mugs
Not saying we shouldn't teach it, but come on - who doesn't know about condoms?

People who are taught abstinence only?

edit: bah, someone else alredy made that comment... I'm slow.

Seriously? Because I didn't need to be taught what a condom is... I knew about them before I had sex ed.

It also plans to replace a few well-worn health textbooks that are "older than some students," according to WYFF 4 of South Carolina. Patty Rafailedes, a physical education teacher in the district, told the station, "If we had math books from 1988, reading books from 1988, as a parent, I would be furious."

I guess it's ok for Patty to accept ancient books because she's only a teacher. It's the parents job to be upset at ~20 year old books. :roll:

I think you misunderstood her comment. She's pissed that the books were so old, and she's saying parents should be too.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: freshgeardude

Originally posted by: mugs
How dumb are these kids that they NEED someone to tell them how not to get pregnant?

(Not saying we shouldn't teach it, but come on - who doesn't know about condoms?)

those 11 yr old girls getting pregnant "mothers between the ages of 11 and 19" i guess them but anyone 13 and up should know about condoms

Yeah, I'll give you that... that's just messed up.

 

[agentsmith101]

This is a repost I believe

 

[Injury]

Patty Rafailedes, a physical education teacher in the district, told the station, "If we had math books from 1988, reading books from 1988, as a parent, I would be furious."

As a parent, it'd pretty much be YOUR job to ensure that your kids don't make stupid life choices. You'd have little right to be furious.

 

[Blazin Trav]

Isn't this one of many OT threads that should be in P&N???

 

[eits]

this is old news.... it happens in every conservative state... the carolinas are the worst.

they strongly tout their abstinence programs and end up with somewhere up to 25% pregnant teens, whereas places north that have sex ed and teach contraceptive methods have around 2% teen pregnancies.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: iwantanewcomputer
can we get a pwned pic?

why is "WYFF 4 of South Carolina" reporting this?

And Im pretty sure this is a repost from a few years ago...either that or just a very similar case

because they're one of the worst states for teen pregnancies because of ignorance (aka "abstinence").

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: mattpegher

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: glen
What is wrogn with books from 1988?
Has reading, math, or sex changed since then?

A little bit, yes, and yes

It's also nice to have newer literature

Sex has changed since 1988? Explain, please.

The only thing I see is that casual oral sex is now in voque. Damn why wasn't it that way when I was in school.

Many things have changed in our knowledge, treatment, and etiology of STDs.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Absitance has a 100% success rate in avoiding pregnancy and STDs, but it needs to be presented and supported strongly.

Teens too stupid to know that having sex unprotected can lead to preganncy would probably be too stupid to open a concom wrapper anyway.

If you'll entertain my analogy.

Condoms have a 98% success rate, but it doesn't mean anything if you don't put it on.

In stopping pregnancy.....IF used correctly. They do little to stop most STDs.

Condoms are actually quite good at preventing most STDs. The problem is, the few incurable STDs. Condoms don't really protect against them.

As for the book issues, yes, things have changed on medical knowledge. Remember, they were written at a time when all people really knew about AIDS was that a lot of gay people had it.

 

[mattpegher]

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

Originally posted by: mattpegher

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: glen
What is wrogn with books from 1988?
Has reading, math, or sex changed since then?

A little bit, yes, and yes

It's also nice to have newer literature

Sex has changed since 1988? Explain, please.

The only thing I see is that casual oral sex is now in voque. Damn why wasn't it that way when I was in school.

Many things have changed in our knowledge, treatment, and etiology of STDs.

Examples please. I entered medical school in 88 and the prevention and etiologies are still the same, the only change may be treatment regimes esp for HIV. Herpes has a few more drugs, no biggy. New vaccine may prevent HPV but treatment has changed little.

 

[mattpegher]

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Absitance has a 100% success rate in avoiding pregnancy and STDs, but it needs to be presented and supported strongly.

Teens too stupid to know that having sex unprotected can lead to preganncy would probably be too stupid to open a concom wrapper anyway.

If you'll entertain my analogy.

Condoms have a 98% success rate, but it doesn't mean anything if you don't put it on.

In stopping pregnancy.....IF used correctly. They do little to stop most STDs.

Condoms are actually quite good at preventing most STDs. The problem is, the few incurable STDs. Condoms don't really protect against them.

As for the book issues, yes, things have changed on medical knowledge. Remember, they were written at a time when all people really knew about AIDS was that a lot of gay people had it.

Again the biggest incurable STD's, Herpes, HIV and Hep still the best prevention for transmission is condoms. If your talking oral sex use a dental dam, or condom depending.

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: mattpegher

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

Originally posted by: mattpegher

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: glen
What is wrogn with books from 1988?
Has reading, math, or sex changed since then?

A little bit, yes, and yes

It's also nice to have newer literature

Sex has changed since 1988? Explain, please.

The only thing I see is that casual oral sex is now in voque. Damn why wasn't it that way when I was in school.

Many things have changed in our knowledge, treatment, and etiology of STDs.

Examples please. I entered medical school in 88 and the prevention and etiologies are still the same, the only change may be treatment regimes esp for HIV. Herpes has a few more drugs, no biggy. New vaccine may prevent HPV but treatment has changed little.

I'm mostly referring to HIV/AIDS. And look at what you posted thats more than enough info to edit a book. Heck just how things have changed with HIV/AIDS since '88 is ridiculous amount.

 

[DAGTA]

Honestly, how many people actually use condoms or dental dams during oral sex? I've never even seen a dental dam.