65 pregnant teens = one canceled abstinence-only program

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: mugs
How dumb are these kids that they NEED someone to tell them how not to get pregnant?

(Not saying we shouldn't teach it, but come on - who doesn't know about condoms?)

I guess kids in Canton, Ohio.


That and you have to also think if this is what they are doing in schools, I am sure it is not easy to get condoms. Not every 16 year old has a car and money (even the little they cost) etc... to get them and keep them without the "no sex is the only way, you don't need these..." being put on them.

then they shouldn't be poking their d!cks in places that can get them in trouble. saying that there's not good enough sex-ed is just some half-assed excuse for the fact that parents aren't doing their job anymore. kids don't need to be having sex when there's no way in hell they can possibly deal with the responsibilities and consequences it entails.

Sounds like someone here didn't lose his virginity until he was 35!
Hey, I'm 25 - I still don't think I can afford to have a kid...It's NYC and I'm just not ready for that leap.. Does that I shouldn't have sex? Nah, it's too much fun -I'll just use a condom, thank you very much.

kids are generally a lot dumber than you are, plus schools end up with daycares to take care of said kids. of the public high schools in the tricounty area at my home, all have their daycares filled to maximum capacity. i use this over and over, but it's far too poignant an example. growing up in a daycare is no way to to learn as a child.

if YOU have a kid, they're not put into a public high school's daycare center, funded by the taxpayers.

 

[Kelvrick]

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
I'm all for impregnating 11-19 year olds.

translated for those who don't speak blanconese.

I don't know about the 11 part, but I wouldn't mind impregnating some 18-19 year olds.

 

[JustAnAverageGuy]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Absitance has a 100% success rate in avoiding pregnancy and STDs, but it needs to be presented and supported strongly.

Teens too stupid to know that having sex unprotected can lead to preganncy would probably be too stupid to open a concom wrapper anyway.

If you'll entertain my analogy.

Condoms have a 98% success rate, but it doesn't mean anything if you don't put it on.

 

[lyssword]

lol

 

[Kaervak]

Originally posted by: DAGTA
1. Parents need to be parents. Don't depend on a public school to teach your children about sex.
2. It's Ohio. For some reason, in rural areas, getting pregnant is a status symbol to the girls in high school. Seriously.

Canton isn't rural at all. Suburb is more accurate.

 

[Phoenix86]

Originally posted by: mugs
Not saying we shouldn't teach it, but come on - who doesn't know about condoms?

People who are taught abstinence only?

edit: bah, someone else alredy made that comment... I'm slow.

It also plans to replace a few well-worn health textbooks that are "older than some students," according to WYFF 4 of South Carolina. Patty Rafailedes, a physical education teacher in the district, told the station, "If we had math books from 1988, reading books from 1988, as a parent, I would be furious."

I guess it's ok for Patty to accept ancient books because she's only a teacher. It's the parents job to be upset at ~20 year old books. :roll:

 

[dullard]

Some people honestly believe if you tell your cat enough times, it won't jump on the counter.

The rest of us realize the cat isn't listening and instead we scare it from ever going back on there.

 

[Sheep]

Abstinence-only programs have been proven to be ineffective, but if you look at the details for that school, saying that this HS is representative of all abstinence-only programs is like saying the number of shootings in gangland LA is representative of the entire US (e.g., 51% graduation rate at this particular school compared to 82% for the rest of the state).

Can't draw any valid conclusions from this alone, though there's plenty of other, valid evidence out there indicating that abstinence-only programs don't work.

 

[fitzov]

Originally posted by: mordantmonkey

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Absitance has a 100% success rate in avoiding pregnancy and STDs, but it needs to be presented and supported strongly.

Teens too stupid to know that having sex unprotected can lead to preganncy would probably be too stupid to open a concom wrapper anyway.

however, abstinence has a far lower adherence rate among highschoolers, regardless of support and presentation.

touche

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: chambersc
One assumes that children are going to ignore their hormones and primal urges in fear of having a child

There are more reaons than that and, yes, we should expect them to. If people are all just slaves to their primal urges then we're nothing more than animals. Do you seriously think these kids got pregnant never knowing what a condom is? :roll: Get real.

I also agree that parents play a FAR bigger role in whether or not their kids get in trouble. And parents who push abstinence properly, ime, have wild success.

But, heck, if these kids are too dumb or lack the self-control then let them do whatever they want. Somebody's got to end up n the menial deadend jobs while the fittest go to college, marry well, drive BMWs and take vacations in Europe.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: mordantmonkey

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Absitance has a 100% success rate in avoiding pregnancy and STDs, but it needs to be presented and supported strongly.

Teens too stupid to know that having sex unprotected can lead to preganncy would probably be too stupid to open a concom wrapper anyway.

however, abstinence has a far lower adherence rate among highschoolers, regardless of support and presentation.

And that is the problem. It is a waste of time. Teenagers want to have sexual relations, and telling them to abstain from sex won't change their mind when Johnny has his hand up Mary's skirt and 10 minutes later she is riding him like a horse.

They should just have condoms available for free...or something. You can't stop the hormones.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: chambersc
One assumes that children are going to ignore their hormones and primal urges in fear of having a child

There are more reaons than that and, yes, we should expect them to. If people are all just slaves to their primal urges then we're nothing more than animals. Do you seriously think these kids got pregnant never knowing what a condom is? :roll: Get real.

I also agree that parents play a FAR bigger role in whether or not their kids get in trouble. And parents who push abstinence properly, ime, have wild success.

But, heck, if these kids are too dumb or lack the self-control then let them do whatever they want. Somebody's got to end up n the menial deadend jobs while the fittest go to college, marry well, drive BMWs and take vacations in Europe.

The ones with the parents who care are most likely not as dumb as the kids who screw up, or at least their life at home is better so they are less likely to make such a big mistake...but this still isn't always the case.

Regardless of what is taught in school...some kids are always gonna screw up and get pregnant. It's life...telling them to abstain won't help.

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: mugs
but come on - who doesn't know about condoms?

People who grow up in communities that do things like this.

 

[JustAnAverageGuy]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
:roll: Get real.

Excellent advice. I will grant abstinance works 100% if adhered to, but unfortunately, we live in a real world where that abstinance will NOT always happen; When it doesn't the kids need to be educated on how to avoid pregnancy.

- JaAG

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Absitance has a 100% success rate in avoiding pregnancy and STDs, but it needs to be presented and supported strongly.

Teens too stupid to know that having sex unprotected can lead to preganncy would probably be too stupid to open a concom wrapper anyway.

If you'll entertain my analogy.

Condoms have a 98% success rate, but it doesn't mean anything if you don't put it on.

In stopping pregnancy.....IF used correctly. They do little to stop most STDs.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Absitance has a 100% success rate in avoiding pregnancy and STDs, but it needs to be presented and supported strongly.

Teens too stupid to know that having sex unprotected can lead to preganncy would probably be too stupid to open a concom wrapper anyway.

That's not true. My sister got pregnant without ever having sex.

 

[mattpegher]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Absitance has a 100% success rate in avoiding pregnancy and STDs, but it needs to be presented and supported strongly.

Teens too stupid to know that having sex unprotected can lead to preganncy would probably be too stupid to open a concom wrapper anyway.

Nice statistic, but the truth is every program that proposes abstinence as the only method of birth control has about a 15% failure rate. Mainly because of the 85% of the girls that didn't get pregnant a significant number used an alternate method of birth control.
Abstinence is a pipe dream for parents too stupid to know or care what their children are doing.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Absitance has a 100% success rate in avoiding pregnancy and STDs, but it needs to be presented and supported strongly.

Teens too stupid to know that having sex unprotected can lead to preganncy would probably be too stupid to open a concom wrapper anyway.

If you'll entertain my analogy.

Condoms have a 98% success rate, but it doesn't mean anything if you don't put it on.

In stopping pregnancy.....IF used correctly. They do little to stop most STDs.

wow, you are a virgin are you not? Its the only way you could be so dumb and think abstinence programs work at all.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Kelvrick

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
I'm all for impregnating 11-19 year olds.

translated for those who don't speak blanconese.

I don't know about the 11 part, but I wouldn't mind impregnating some 18-19 year olds.

i don't know about impregnating them but i wouldnt mind nailing some 17-19yr olds!

 

[RaiderJ]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Absitance has a 100% success rate in avoiding pregnancy and STDs, but it needs to be presented and supported strongly.

Teens too stupid to know that having sex unprotected can lead to preganncy would probably be too stupid to open a concom wrapper anyway.

Sex education should definitely include abstinence, as it is the only way to avoid STD's and pregnacy. However, only teaching abstinence is silly. Kids should know basic ways to protect themselves, how to seek help for various situations, etc.

I feel it is the parent's job to teach the majority of this information, but unforutately many of them choose not to.

 

[yhelothar]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
heh yea abstinence "education" tends to be bullsh*t, it tends to be filled with scare tactic lies, and or omissions when it comes to contraception. its known that compared to real comprehensive sex education it has poor results. children aren't just robots you can tell to abstain and hope for the best, the result is just going to be bad. stats show this, but the religious folk don't like facts.

QFT. Best reply in this thread.

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Absitance has a 100% success rate in avoiding pregnancy and STDs, but it needs to be presented and supported strongly.

Teens too stupid to know that having sex unprotected can lead to preganncy would probably be too stupid to open a concom wrapper anyway.

That's not true. My sister got pregnant without ever having sex.

Was her name Mary?

 

[mattpegher]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Absitance has a 100% success rate in avoiding pregnancy and STDs, but it needs to be presented and supported strongly.

Teens too stupid to know that having sex unprotected can lead to preganncy would probably be too stupid to open a concom wrapper anyway.

If you'll entertain my analogy.

Condoms have a 98% success rate, but it doesn't mean anything if you don't put it on.

In stopping pregnancy.....IF used correctly. They do little to stop most STDs.

What the He11 are you talking about. Condoms are the primary means of stopping the spread of STD in sexually active people. Many studies have shown that in school districts, primarily NYC inner city, that introduce sex education including the use of condoms have decreased the rate of teen stds.
Abstinence cannot be taught, it cannot be forced and it cannot be relied upon.

 

[Freshgeardude]

Originally posted by: mugs
How dumb are these kids that they NEED someone to tell them how not to get pregnant?

(Not saying we shouldn't teach it, but come on - who doesn't know about condoms?)

those 11 yr old girls getting pregnant "mothers between the ages of 11 and 19" i guess them but anyone 13 and up should know about condoms

 

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Absitance has a 100% success rate in avoiding pregnancy and STDs, but it needs to be presented and supported strongly.

Teens too stupid to know that having sex unprotected can lead to preganncy would probably be too stupid to open a concom wrapper anyway.

That's not true. My sister got pregnant without ever having sex.

Abstinance is often defined as abstaining from ALL sexual activity, not just intercourse. Obviously it's possible to get pregnant if semen gets anywhere near the vagina, just less likely than during intercourse.