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Well we know now how they will bridge the long wait to Zen4 on AM5 Q4 2022.
Production start for V-cache is end this year so too early for Zen4 so this is certainly coming to AM4.
+15% Lisa said is "like an entire architectural generation"
 
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blckgrffn said:
I am glad this is performing well and
getting embraced and wondering if I should have gotten this rather than the 5900K I picked up here rather inexpensively (it was the CPU I had always wanted but you all remember the release woes).

All I do on this PC is game… decisions… :)
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Yeah, you could sell the 5900X for a slight profit (assuming you got it cheaper than $394) and go with the 5800X3D. It does boost gaming performance for quite a few titles through the stratosphere.
 
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Still no benchmarks or even mention of the 3D V-cache performance driver for the 5800X3D. Are reviewers sleeping? That should have been the first thing they should have tested. Maybe it improves the performance in cases where there are slight performance regressions in comparison with the 5800X.
 
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igor_kavinski said:
Still no benchmarks or even mention of the 3D V-cache performance driver for the 5800X3D. Are reviewers sleeping?
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No, they're doing just fine. You've just been had by the rumor mill, the same way a bunch of naive folks waited days/weeks for the Rocket Lake microcode update that was suposed to bring significant gaming performance.

The microcode update did not materialize into anything worthy in terms of average gaming peformance, all we got was some vitriol directed at Anandtech for posting an "imoral" CPU preview.

Moral of the story: stop ingesting INVENTED naratives by people you don't know on the forums.
 
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First I've heard of this driver. I'm still waiting on a BIOS update to get my CPU to reach 4550 MHz single core. Other than having an external BCLK generator and having the IF reach 2GHz+ with CL15 DDR4 or below, I don't there there is a lot of performance left on the table.
 
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EUROCOM Nightsky ARX315 Configure

EUROCOM Fully configurable and upgradeable Desktop Replacement Notebooks, mobile workstations, mobile servers and Portable LCD PC systems. Our products are engineered for quality, performance, long-term stability and serviceability. Eurocom Corporation is based on the philosophy that the...
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That's the laptop I asked them about.
 
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igor_kavinski said:
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EUROCOM Nightsky ARX315 Configure

EUROCOM Fully configurable and upgradeable Desktop Replacement Notebooks, mobile workstations, mobile servers and Portable LCD PC systems. Our products are engineered for quality, performance, long-term stability and serviceability. Eurocom Corporation is based on the philosophy that the...
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That's the laptop I asked them about.
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I wonder why no ARX317 model. For about $4k that's a pretty awesome gaming station mostly maxxed out. Surely they will offer 5800x3d.
 
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Anandtech said they would have a review "next week" on April 14th. Am I surprised they do not have one? Not at all. When was there last GPU review?

I get it, people get sick, but surely they have more than one person that can do a CPU review. It's not like its a new uarch that gets the deep dive treatment. If it wasn't for these forums I would have given up on Anandtech long ago.
 
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Thunder 57 said:
Anandtech said they would have a review "next week" on April 14th. Am I surprised they do not have one? Not at all. When was there last GPU review?

I get it, people get sick, but surely they have more than one person that can do a CPU review. It's not like its a new uarch that gets the deep dive treatment. If it wasn't for these forums I would have given up on Anandtech long ago.
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Fore sure. It's amazing that Tom's Hardware is higher on the food chain than AnandTech. I never would have guessed that would come to pass. It's like this place is an afterthought. Here we have these great CPUs and GPUs and this site is hauntedly dead.
 
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Fore sure. It's amazing that Tom's Hardware is higher on the food chain than AnandTech. I never would have guessed that would come to pass. It's like this place is an afterthought. Here we have these great CPUs and GPUs and this site is hauntedly dead.
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Do you mean "as policy" by the same owners?
 
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Thunder 57 said:
Anandtech said they would have a review "next week" on April 14th. Am I surprised they do not have one? Not at all. When was there last GPU review?

I get it, people get sick, but surely they have more than one person that can do a CPU review. It's not like its a new uarch that gets the deep dive treatment. If it wasn't for these forums I would have given up on Anandtech long ago.
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Yea, I only look at the forums, never the "main" site.
 
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Thunder 57 said:
Anandtech said they would have a review "next week" on April 14th. Am I surprised they do not have one? Not at all. When was there last GPU review?

I get it, people get sick, but surely they have more than one person that can do a CPU review. It's not like its a new uarch that gets the deep dive treatment. If it wasn't for these forums I would have given up on Anandtech long ago.
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Maybe they are waiting to get a current gen GPU.
 
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Have finally completed my first game comparison between my maxed 5950x, my 5800x3d and golden samples Alderlake cpus @ ~5.6ghz and ~7200MT/s

https://imgur.com/a/TZdNAzm
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https://imgur.com/a/ahnY3nl

Shadow of the Tomb Raider: 1080p lowest:
  • 5950x @ ~5100/5000mhz = 353fps average cpu game
  • 12900k @ 5750mhz 4300MT/s CL14 = 373fps average cpu game
  • 5800x3d @ 4450mhz = 402fps average cpu game

Horizon Zero Dawn: 1080p performance preset, lowest res scale:
  • 5950x @ ~5100mhz = 301fps average cpu game
  • 12900k @ 5580mhz 7160MT/s CL30 = 321fps average cpu game
  • 5800x3d @ 4450mhz = 313fps average cpu game

F1 2020 1080p low dx11: Australia benchmark location and dry weather:
  • 5950x @ ~5100mhz = 490 average fps
  • 5800x3d @ 4450mhz = 555 average fps

Farcry6 1080p ultra, HD-texture enabled, FSR QTY:
  • 5950x @ ~5100mhz = 163 average fps
  • 12900k @ 5580mhz 7160MT/s CL30 = 203 average fps
  • 5800x3d @ 4450mhz = 176 average fps

Cyberpunk 2077: 1080p low
  • 5950x @ ~5100mhz = 252 average fps
  • 12900k @ 5580mhz 7160MT/s CL30 = 304 average fps
  • 5800x3d @ 4450mhz = 268 average fps

Final Fantasy XV 1080p low: (game engine limited, results with grain of salt)
  • 5950x @ ~5100mhz = 23426 score
  • 12900k @ ~5700mhz(?) = 23585 score
  • 5800x3d @ 4450mhz = 23489 score

Final Fantasy XIV: Endwalker 1440p maximum: (game engine limited, results with grain of salt)
  • 5950x @ ~5100mhz = 30553 score
  • 12900k @ ~5700mhz(?) = 33891 score
  • 5800x3d @ 4450mhz = 33764 score

HardwareLux Counter-Strike: Global Offensive benchmark settings: (only scale with clockspeed it seems)
  • 12900k @ 5500mhz 4133MT/s CL16 = 954 fps
  • 5800x3d @ 4450mhz = 716 fps
Max tuned Alderlake beats out Zen3 in games, but i have to say i'm pretty impressed by the5800x3 :)
...Considering zero binning/golden samples are required for 5800x3d and they dont scale with memory, so you can use a cheapo x470 together with 3200/3600MT/s memory for a nice "low-end gaming machine".

My old Spectre install was bloated at this point, so i made a new win10 install for the 5800x3d runs..
(earlier when i did the 5950x runs the spectre install were pretty slim)

And i have no control over the Alder Lake windows installs, but those runs are cherry picked super golden samples with the highest scores i could find.. (binned cores+binned IMC+super cooling+best of the best memory) But feel free to improve the AL numbers if anyone can, maybe @JoeRambo ?)

For this to be a even more fair comparison of "maxed out gaming systems" i would need a new motherboard with an external clockgen so i could run the 5800x3d at ~4900mhz instead of 4450mhz, but i dont think that would change the outcome much in the end either.. Alder Lake should still come out on top.

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Added some Alder Lake screenshots
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