Info 64MB V-Cache on 5XXX Zen3 Average +15% in Games

[Kedas]

Well we know now how they will bridge the long wait to Zen4 on AM5 Q4 2022.
Production start for V-cache is end this year so too early for Zen4 so this is certainly coming to AM4.
+15% Lisa said is "like an entire architectural generation"

 

[JoeRambo]

Up to 11% faster than 5800X in blender, but no uplift in some other pure benchmark, no gaming test yet

Pretty much expected. But kinda dissapointing score in GB5 ST, did not expect it to be so far behind. Seems like 4.5Ghz clock is really holding it back.

But let's wait for proper testing, shall we.

 

[nicalandia]

I hope now that their PSU blows up in a cloud of smoke and takes their damn 5800X3D with it!

They will milk this(click bait) for as long as they can. I am sure they will post some gaming benchmarks very soon...

 

[Asterox]

Pretty much expected. But kinda dissapointing score in GB5 ST, did not expect it to be so far behind. Seems like 4.5Ghz clock is really holding it back.

But let's wait for proper testing, shall we.

Why are you looking at trash GB ST or MT scores. For what reason, if we know that additional 64mb L3 Cache is mostly for gaming?

 

[nicalandia]

Why are you looking at trash GB ST or MT scores. For what reason, if we know that additional 64mb L3 Cache is mostly for gaming?

Actually, Gaming is/was a just a side effect that AMD is exploiting on the consumer side to reclaim the "Gaming Crown" for bragging rights.

3D V Cache will give up to 80% performance boost on Real World Scenarios like Fluid Dynamics Simulation. But those are HPC applications where most here don't even know/care about.

 

[Makaveli]

That's good but poor journalism on that website's part. They have the CPU. There are over two weeks left. They could have taken some time to do the actual benchmarks that this CPU is meant for. How pathetic. I hope now that their PSU blows up in a cloud of smoke and takes their damn 5800X3D with it!

This is still an unreleased product. Posting gaming benchmarks on your site probably not the best idea. And videocardz is a big enough site that AMD would probably come knocking.

 

[igor_kavinski]

And videocardz is a big enough site that AMD would probably come knocking.

My post was directed at these idiots: https://xanxogaming.com/noticias/exclusivo-filtracion-de-primeros-benchmarks-amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d/

They better have the 12900KS for their gaming benchmarks.

 

[Asterox]

Actually, Gaming is/was a just a side effect that AMD is exploiting on the consumer side to reclaim the "Gaming Crown" for bragging rights.

3D V Cache will give up to 80% performance boost on Real World Scenarios like Fluid Dynamics Simulation. But those are HPC applications where most here don't even know/care about.


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Yes we now that, but Desktop/gaming usage in main point of 8/16 CPU with extra 64mb L3 cache.

- red is an extremely important part or success for AMD Epyc = there lies a ton of $$$$=big profit for AMD

 

[igor_kavinski]

AMD is investing billions in data center technologies, first with Xilinx and now with Pensando. Pretty soon, us poor gamers will be their lowest priority business segment. They will throw us scraps from their Epyc leftover rejects and we will happily gobble them up for good money.

Question - AMD aquires Pensando

https://ir.amd.com/news-events/press-releases/detail/1057/amd-expands-data-center-solutions-capabilities-with Anyone knows them ? I certainly dont.

forums.anandtech.com

 

[nicalandia]

AMD is investing billions in data center technologies, first with Xilinx and now with Pensando. Pretty soon, us poor gamers will be their lowest priority business segment. They will throw us scraps from their Epyc leftover rejects and we will happily gobble them up for good money.

When has Gamers been an important segment for either Intel, AMD or ARM? "The Best Gaming CPU" looks good on a PowerPoint Presentation, but that's it. The money is at Cloud, HPC and Data Centers.

 

[Makaveli]

When has Gamers been an important segment for either Intel, AMD or ARM? "The Best Gaming CPU" looks good on a PowerPoint Presentation, but that's it. The money is at Cloud, HPC and Data Centers.

This has always been the case alot of people think the gaming industry drives the market it does not.

 

[jpiniero]

This has always been the case alot of people think the gaming industry drives the market it does not.

It does drive DIY.

 

[nicalandia]

This has always been the case alot of people think the gaming industry drives the market it does not.

I agree, the push for greater IPC and power efficiency at the Data Center/HPC segments have benefited gaming, but that is just a causality/consequence of that push to gain market share on the most profitable segment of the industry.

 

[Makaveli]

It does drive DIY.

Yes but DIY is a tiny market compared to enterprise.

 

[nicalandia]

It does drive DIY.

That is just a causality/consequence of that push to gain market share on the most profitable segment of the industry.

 

[igor_kavinski]

This has always been the case alot of people think the gaming industry drives the market it does not.

Hey, we are their best stress testers! We overclock the bejeezus out of their CPUs while the data center guys are like, "Oh please. It must be stable 24/7. Please don't over do it. Our data so precious!" whereas us lot nuke from orbit our rigs as often as we like. If it weren't for us, we would still be in Skylake era.

 

[Makaveli]

Hey, we are their best stress testers! We overclock the bejeezus out of their CPUs while the data center guys are like, "Oh please. It must be stable 24/7. Please don't over do it. Our data so precious!" whereas us lot nuke from orbit our rigs as often as we like. If it weren't for us, we would still be in Skylake era.

No if wasn't for AMD and Ryzen intel would still be selling Quad core skylake cpu's. The DYI market was doing all of that before and intel didn't move an inch on core counts. Don't get trapped in a DIY enthusiast mind set which is a very narrow path, always follow the money trail.

As vocal a bunch as we are we are small.

 

[nicalandia]

Hey, we are their best stress testers! We overclock the bejeezus out of their CPUs while the data center guys are like, "Oh please. It must be stable 24/7. Please don't over do it.

Perhaps but some HPC Segments can play that game and expend a few hundred thousand on Liquid Cooking a few High Performance Racks(Cooling for CPU, RAM and IO)

 

[JoeRambo]

Why are you looking at trash GB ST or MT scores. For what reason, if we know that additional 64mb L3 Cache is mostly for gaming?

I was hoping that large L3 cache will help at least in some GB5 subtests, at least the ones that are known to benefit from better memory subsystem. But it seems to be limited by core clocks or maybe 32MB of L3 were already enough for GB5, hard to tell.

 

[biostud]

AMD is investing billions in data center technologies, first with Xilinx and now with Pensando. Pretty soon, us poor gamers will be their lowest priority business segment. They will throw us scraps from their Epyc leftover rejects and we will happily gobble them up for good money.

Question - AMD aquires Pensando

https://ir.amd.com/news-events/press-releases/detail/1057/amd-expands-data-center-solutions-capabilities-with Anyone knows them ? I certainly dont.

forums.anandtech.com

We would not have 3d cache without enterprise, and in the end videocards are in most cases the limiting factor not the CPU, when gaming.

 

[Mopetar]

That's good but poor journalism on that website's part. They have the CPU. There are over two weeks left. They could have taken some time to do the actual benchmarks that this CPU is meant for. How pathetic. I hope now that their PSU blows up in a cloud of smoke and takes their damn 5800X3D with it!

Why not release one sneak peek result early while going through and benchmarking all of the various games at the various resolutions and assembling all of that data?

If I just got that CPU early I'd probably put out a few quick results and then get to work on the larger set of benchmarks for games. Putting out a small subset of data would be sloppy because we already know from AMD that some games see a much bigger boost than others and not having a good data set could easily create a misleading picture. That would be sloppy journalism.

Actually, Gaming is/was a just a side effect that AMD is exploiting on the consumer side to reclaim the "Gaming Crown" for bragging rights.

3D V Cache will give up to 80% performance boost on Real World Scenarios like Fluid Dynamics Simulation. But those are HPC applications where most here don't even know/care about.

Should we really care why the product came about? Does is matter from our perspective whether it was intentional or just a happy accident? We get the performance either way.

Gaming Crown is worth at least something to AMD even if it's just bragging rights. Selling these chips into the HPC market is a lot more profitable so unless AMD has saturated that market they'd be be making more turning these into server chips. Obviously the mindshare they get from being "King for Gamers" is worth at least the difference in money they could make or they wouldn't do it.

 

[ondma]

Old Tech? Zen3 CCD, 3D V Cache, and about the most efficient uArch so far is called "Old Tech"? I guess some fools will keep being fools.

AMD Uses Old Tech to Battle Intel's Alder Lake

AMD Uses Old Tech to Battle Intel's Alder Lake | The Motley Fool

Zen 3 is finally coming to the sub-$200 CPU market.

www.fool.com

Well, it is talking about the Zen 3 budget chips, not the V cache. So yes, it is "old" tech in that it took them 1.5 years and strong competition from budget AL to bring out budget Zen 3 chips.

 

[nicalandia]

So yes, it is "old" tech in that it took them 1.5 years and strong competition from budget AL to bring out budget Zen 3 chips.

AMD took care of the budget segment with Ryzen 3000 line before intel released Alder Lake, and that was good enough back then. Now the Budget will be taken care by the 5000 and AM4 when Zen 4 takes the High End Segment.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Obviously the mindshare they get from being "King for Gamers" is worth at least the difference in money they could make or they wouldn't do it.

If AMD is so money focused, they wouldn't sell an expensive CPU to consumers at consumer friendly prices. These V-cache dies failed their enterprise gauntlet of stability testing so they are repurposing them for a relatively easy performance win in games. It was originally intended to counter ADL but TSMC probably ran into some serious issues, delaying this CPU's widespread release. Makes no sense to me that they would announce something almost 10 months early. When have they done that before?

 

[nicalandia]

It was originally intended to counter ADL but TSMC probably ran into some serious issues, delaying this CPU's widespread release.

That is quite obvious, I am sure that before the Pandemic they had planned 5950X3D, 5900X3D(Seen as a prototype), and 5800X3D. But due to the Pandemic and TSMC they had to prioritize the most profitable segment and leave some for consumers in the form of 5800X3D

 

[gruffi]

AMD is investing billions in data center technologies, first with Xilinx and now with Pensando. Pretty soon, us poor gamers will be their lowest priority business segment. They will throw us scraps from their Epyc leftover rejects and we will happily gobble them up for good money.

A good architecture with strong core performance and high efficiency doesn't know friends or foes. It works everywhere. The actual challenge is scaling. And Zen scales exceptionally well across multiple markets. AMD has a long history in the consumer market and gaming. And I don't think they will downgrade that to a "lowest priority business segment" anytime soon. They will rather split their development to offer different solutions in different segments. RDNA and CDNA might just be the beginning. Zen 4c next. And who knows, at some time in the future gamers might benefit from Xilinx synergies.