Info 64MB V-Cache on 5XXX Zen3 Average +15% in Games

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Kedas

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Well we know now how they will bridge the long wait to Zen4 on AM5 Q4 2022.
Production start for V-cache is end this year so too early for Zen4 so this is certainly coming to AM4.
+15% Lisa said is "like an entire architectural generation"
 
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Markfw

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I mean you can look for the dates on the lid I think . . . and return ones that look too old. Pretty sure you can see the lid through the little window in the box.
This is about a B2 stepping 5950x.

Is the date on line 2, after BG 2132 PGS ? is mine, is that 2021 week 32 ? sounds like B2 stepping ??? From my google, thats what it look like.
 
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DrMrLordX

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@Markfw


As for the stepping, I don't know which part of the code advertises that, though if you boot it up CPU-z should be able to tell you. There might be something about stepping data in the printed CPU codes later on in the thread. I just haven't looked into it yet.
 

Markfw

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As for the stepping, I don't know which part of the code advertises that, though if you boot it up CPU-z should be able to tell you. There might be something about stepping data in the printed CPU codes later on in the thread. I just haven't looked into it yet.
How do you tell in linux ? No CPUZ there.
 
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R81Z3N1

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If your in Linux just cat /proc/cpuinfo you really do not need a separate program for that, or pipe it through grep. Granted you might be limited by what hwinfo64 can show under Windows but basics are available.

For instance my 3800X is showing stepping 0, using 0x8701021 microcode, my load average is almost nill as WCG under boinc is still not pushing work. So sits idle most of the time.

For those who are on the upgrade train, I hope they have success as even with boinc running my load averages have never been above 4, that is with all cores doing something. Granted I don't run servers, but I have not had a cpu bottleneck.

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JoeRambo

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Could be something as simple as setting some CPU specific control registers that control L3 cache fill and replacement strategies and things like prefetch agressiveness. They might have them set in silicon defaults for server SKU's that has different optimization point than gaming oriented CPU. ( for example you would not want brutal hw prefetch traffic that goes to L2 and is then evicted to L3. generated by 8 CCDs and killing performance package wide, while that could work for 1-CCD chip ).

They already had stuff like this in the past for ZEN1 generation, where they had chipset drivers setting CPU control registers when app with name that matched list of known apps was running. Got cought due to complete insecurity of said driver.
 

DisEnchantment

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lscpu
if you want even shorter command :grimacing:

Code:
Architecture:                    x86_64
CPU op-mode(s):                  32-bit, 64-bit
Byte Order:                      Little Endian
Address sizes:                   43 bits physical, 48 bits virtual
CPU(s):                          24
On-line CPU(s) list:             0-23
Thread(s) per core:              2
Core(s) per socket:              12
Socket(s):                       1
NUMA node(s):                    1
Vendor ID:                       AuthenticAMD
CPU family:                      23
Model:                           113
Model name:                      AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 12-Core Processor
Stepping:                        0
Frequency boost:                 enabled
CPU MHz:                         2200.000
CPU max MHz:                     4672,0698
CPU min MHz:                     2200,0000
BogoMIPS:                        7586.00
Virtualization:                  AMD-V
L1d cache:                       384 KiB
L1i cache:                       384 KiB
L2 cache:                        6 MiB
L3 cache:                        64 MiB
NUMA node0 CPU(s):               0-23
Vulnerability Itlb multihit:     Not affected
Vulnerability L1tf:              Not affected
Vulnerability Mds:               Not affected
Vulnerability Meltdown:          Not affected
Vulnerability Spec store bypass: Mitigation; Speculative Store Bypass disabled via prctl and seccomp
Vulnerability Spectre v1:        Mitigation; usercopy/swapgs barriers and __user pointer sanitization
Vulnerability Spectre v2:        Mitigation; LFENCE, IBPB conditional, STIBP conditional, RSB filling
Vulnerability Srbds:             Not affected
Vulnerability Tsx async abort:   Not affected
Flags:                           fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt pdpe1gb rdtscp lm con
                                 stant_tsc rep_good nopl nonstop_tsc cpuid extd_apicid aperfmperf pni pclmulqdq monitor ssse3 fma cx16 sse4_1 sse4_2 movbe popcnt aes xsave avx f16c r
                                 drand lahf_lm cmp_legacy svm extapic cr8_legacy abm sse4a misalignsse 3dnowprefetch osvw ibs skinit wdt tce topoext perfctr_core perfctr_nb bpext per
                                 fctr_llc mwaitx cpb cat_l3 cdp_l3 hw_pstate ssbd mba ibpb stibp vmmcall fsgsbase bmi1 avx2 smep bmi2 cqm rdt_a rdseed adx smap clflushopt clwb sha_ni
                                  xsaveopt xsavec xgetbv1 xsaves cqm_llc cqm_occup_llc cqm_mbm_total cqm_mbm_local clzero irperf xsaveerptr rdpru wbnoinvd arat npt lbrv svm_lock nrip
                                 _save tsc_scale vmcb_clean flushbyasid decodeassists pausefilter pfthreshold avic v_vmsave_vmload vgif v_spec_ctrl umip rdpid overflow_recov succor s
                                 mca sme sev sev_es
Output from my 3900X
 

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Ranulf

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The problem with a price war is the lack of substrate. Or is that over ?

Over? I don't know. It seems to be the big problem of the last 1.5 years for sure. Is the new stuff they're releasing built up stock/leftovers (cezanne) from the past 18 months?
 

deasd

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Up to 11% faster than 5800X in blender, but no uplift in some other pure benchmark, no gaming test yet