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Kedas

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Well we know now how they will bridge the long wait to Zen4 on AM5 Q4 2022.
Production start for V-cache is end this year so too early for Zen4 so this is certainly coming to AM4.
+15% Lisa said is "like an entire architectural generation"
 
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So the Alder Lake release made the 3D cache completely necessary. I think in late January or early February they will release a refresh of the entire Zen 3 line with the 3D cache technology as well as power reduction and increased turbo frequency boost and a higher base clock. Remember what it was like with the Zen 2 XT processors. Nobody cared about those because the Zen 3 release was a few months later.

I just want to know what the best value Zen 3 chip to get. I am either going with the 5800X or the 5900X version of the Zen 3 refresh next year.
 
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Hans Gruber said:
Alder Lake basically made Zen 3D a need rather than a nice to consider option for AMD.
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I don't think this is true. AMD never had an overall performance lead over Intel until Zen 3 and they sold fine even when they were further behind.

If Zen3D didn't happen at all I don't think AMD would be any worse off if they had nothing new until Zen 4.

Are people really going to make a new build with Zen 3D on a platform that's got to future beyond that as opposed to going with Intel when you can get in at the start of one? AMD fans would hold out for Zen 4 anyways especially with the GPU market still being the way it is.
 
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Hans Gruber said:
So the Alder Lake release made the 3D cache completely necessary. I think in late January or early February they will release a refresh of the entire Zen 3 line with the 3D cache technology as well as power reduction and increased turbo frequency boost and a higher base clock. Remember what it was like with the Zen 2 XT processors. Nobody cared about those because the Zen 3 release was a few months later.

I just want to know what the best value Zen 3 chip to get. I am either going with the 5800X or the 5900X version of the Zen 3 refresh next year.
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Going to disagree here. At stock settings, most AMD chips use way less power while still being within shooting distance of Alder Lake.
 
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Mopetar said:
I don't think this is true. AMD never had an overall performance lead over Intel until Zen 3 and they sold fine even when they were further behind.

If Zen3D didn't happen at all I don't think AMD would be any worse off if they had nothing new until Zen 4.

Are people really going to make a new build with Zen 3D on a platform that's got to future beyond that as opposed to going with Intel when you can get in at the start of one? AMD fans would hold out for Zen 4 anyways especially with the GPU market still being the way it is.
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They could not charge a premium however.
 
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Mopetar said:
Are people really going to make a new build with Zen 3D on a platform that's got to future beyond that as opposed to going with Intel when you can get in at the start of one? AMD fans would hold out for Zen 4 anyways especially with the GPU market still being the way it is.
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Plenty of people are doing it now with Zen 3.
 
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Mopetar said:
Are people really going to make a new build with Zen 3D on a platform that's got to future beyond that as opposed to going with Intel when you can get in at the start of one?
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The majority of people that will be going Zen 3D will already be on the AM4 platform not new builds I would think.
 
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I still maintain that AMD should aim for a dual product launch, with Zen3D/Vermeer-X supporting those still on AM4 and Zen4/Raphael supporting those looking for a new platform with (overall) cutting-edge performance. There may be some odd instances where Zen3D will outperform Zen4, but not very many.
 
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DrMrLordX said:
I still maintain that AMD should aim for a dual product launch, with Zen3D/Vermeer-X supporting those still on AM4 and Zen4/Raphael supporting those looking for a new platform with (overall) cutting-edge performance. There may be some odd instances where Zen3D will outperform Zen4, but not very many.
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DIY market is not big enough for something like that. AMD will likely start ramping down Zen 3D when Raphael launches or shift it to something like a Threadripper.

That AMD is doing Zen 3D shows that Raphael is a long ways off. Might take AMD months to fill the Genoa Cloud orders.
 
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Makaveli said:
The majority of people that will be going Zen 3D will already be on the AM4 platform not new builds I would think.
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I would consider a Zen 3D new build depending on benchmarks though. The massive caches will perform exceptionally well for some applications. They should do really well for code compile machines. I suspect the we are going to need a bigger benchmark for Milan-x. The Linux kernel compile was already down to 20 seconds or so for some high end Epyc systems.
 
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